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Backbench debate on Monday, 5 December 2011, in the House of Commons, led by Dominic Raab. The answering member was Damian Green.

UK Extradition Arrangements

Unallotted backbench debate (part two). Agreed to on question.

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Parliamentary proceeding
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537 c82-130 
Session
2010-12
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Home Office
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House of Commons chamber
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Speaker | 537 c87-8 (Link to this contribution) Order. There are time constraints on this debate, and a large number of Members—as you can see, if y...
Stephen Timms | 537 c84 (Link to this contribution) Many constituents have raised with me the Babar Ahmad case, which my hon. Friend the Member for Birm...
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Dominic Raab | 537 c84 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman. It would certainly be useful to have an update on the cases that have at...
Steve Baker | 537 c85 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes his case with great erudition and I have every admiration for him, but I would ...
Dominic Raab | 537 c84 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his question. The short answer is that it is not clear. There h...
Dominic Raab | 537 c85 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is of course right. That must be a point of principle, even when serious allegations ...
Dominic Raab | 537 c85 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for shedding light on some of the legal advice on that. In my view, the regim...
Dominic Raab | 537 c84 (Link to this contribution) The fundamental question is the difference between reasonable suspicion and probable cause. As paper...
Lord McCabe | 537 c84 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on his efforts to secure the debate. Does he agree that whatever t...
Dominic Raab | 537 c86-7 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I will make progress. The short answer to my hon. Friend the Member...
Speaker | 537 c86 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman has been very generous in giving way, but before he replies I gently remin...
Baroness Bray of Coln | 537 c86 (Link to this contribution) I am very much in sympathy with what my hon. Friend is saying. What is the balance between the numbe...
David Burrowes | 537 c88 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman raises the issue of Gary McKinnon, my constituent, and makes a new point, b...
Jesse Norman | 537 c86 (Link to this contribution) Further to the point about the case of Andrew Symeou, when the European arrest warrant was introduce...
Dominic Raab | 537 c86 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention. I will move on to the level of scrutiny later, but the ...
Dominic Raab | 537 c85 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention. Andrew's father, Frank, gave evidence to the Joint Comm...
Dominic Raab | 537 c83 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Gentleman for that clarification. In practical terms the arrangements are un...
David Davis | 537 c83 (Link to this contribution) Let me correct the record. The Americans may not have refused any British applications for extraditi...
Dominic Raab | 537 c83 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. I will take his word on that data, but the key dist...
Richard Ottaway | 537 c83 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. He says that he believes the evidential test to be higher in th...
Dominic Raab | 537 c82-3 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That this House calls upon the Government to reform the UK's extradition arrangements...
Jesse Norman | 537 c83-4 (Link to this contribution) I am greatly enjoying what my hon. Friend is saying. I am a thorough supporter of the idea that the ...
Caroline Lucas | 537 c101-2 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman. I was explaining that Babar wants to stand trial here partly becaus...
Stephen Phillips | 537 c105 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way so soon. Is not one of the problems wit...
Jeremy Corbyn | 537 c105 (Link to this contribution) I start by congratulating the Backbench Business Committee on securing this debate and the hon. Memb...
Stephen Phillips | 537 c104-5 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend that it is a stain on justice in this country and, in my view, on justic...
Richard Fuller | 537 c104 (Link to this contribution) My hon. and learned Friend is talking about the immediacy and the timing of some of these issues. Th...
Jeremy Corbyn | 537 c106-8 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that the authors of the report are not convinced, but it is up to us in this House to try...
David Burrowes | 537 c108-10 (Link to this contribution) I join other Members in congratulating my hon. Friend the Member for Esher and Walton (Mr Raab) on s...
Jeremy Corbyn | 537 c105-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. and learned Gentleman makes an excellent point, and I agree with him. That is the fundament...
Chris Bryant | 537 c106 (Link to this contribution) I rather agree with my hon. Friend about General Pinochet, not least as several of my friends were k...
Charlotte Leslie | 537 c110-1 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Esher and Walton (Mr Raab) on securing this debate, and...
Michael Ellis | 537 c113 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Esher and Walton (Mr Raab) on securing this debate, my ...
Richard Drax | 537 c111-3 (Link to this contribution) I, too, congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Esher and Walton (Mr Raab) on securing this impor...
Michael Ellis | 537 c114 (Link to this contribution) I agree. As I said, I acknowledge that there are some serious defects with the European arrest warra...
Robert Buckland | 537 c113 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that one of the problems posed by the use of the warrant is that it is som...
Michael Ellis | 537 c114 (Link to this contribution) The systems provided by the United States are accepted by the international community as being perfe...
David Davis | 537 c114-5 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has asked for an example. How does he see the circumstances of someone facing trial i...
Michael Ellis | 537 c115 (Link to this contribution) There have been extradition arrangements between our two peoples since the later part of the 18th ce...
Bob Stewart | 537 c115 (Link to this contribution) Should we not require that standard of everyone? Is that not the way forward?
Charlie Elphicke | 537 c89 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Blunkett | 537 c89 (Link to this contribution) That is often undertaken—albeit not to the degree that has just been described—in our court system t...
John Hemming | 537 c89 (Link to this contribution) The Enron three told me that if they pleaded not guilty in America and were found guilty they would ...
Lord Blunkett | 537 c88-9 (Link to this contribution) The forum bar carries forward convention rights and changes the balance, as Scott Baker's review ind...
Lord Blunkett | 537 c92 (Link to this contribution) On 16 December 2004, the idea of treating one's nationals, as opposed to overseas citizens, differen...
David Davis | 537 c92-3 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the right hon. Gentleman is right. My point is that we are dealing with the situation...
John Hemming | 537 c91 (Link to this contribution) I very much agree with my right hon. Friend. Does he agree that that supports a strong argument that...
David Davis | 537 c91-2 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree. That is very much the thrust of what I will say in the next few minutes. Let me c...
Lord Blunkett | 537 c89-90 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way any more, because I will lose time. On the American treaty, there is therefore ...
Conor Burns | 537 c94-5 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Esher and Walton (Mr Raab) on securing this debate. He ...
Andrew Smith | 537 c96-7 (Link to this contribution) I join in the congratulations given to the hon. Member for Esher and Walton (Mr Raab) and other coll...
Conor Burns | 537 c95-6 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. There is a fundamental question whether the European arrest warrant is compatible with habe...
Hywel Francis | 537 c93-4 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Haltemprice and Howden (Mr Davis) and my ...
Jeremy Corbyn | 537 c101 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend on taking up this case and on what she is saying. Does she agree that ...
Mike Crockart | 537 c97-9 (Link to this contribution) I, too, begin by welcoming the debate and congratulating my hon. Friend the Member for Esher and Wal...
Charlie Elphicke | 537 c99 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making an excellent speech. Does he support the principle of renegotiating things ...
Mike Crockart | 537 c99-100 (Link to this contribution) I do indeed. That is exactly what the JCHR report asks for. It supports that unequivocally, as do I—...
Caroline Lucas | 537 c100 (Link to this contribution) Let me begin by congratulating the hon. Member for Esher and Walton (Mr Raab) on his role in securin...
Damian Green | 537 c129-30 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that the hon. Lady's last point is right, but I take her general point, and obviously ...
Damian Green | 537 c127 (Link to this contribution) I am about to deal with the hon. Lady's point. The decision about whether to bring a prosecution is...
Caroline Lucas | 537 c128 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister agree to investigate why the CPS acknowledged and admitted that it had not seen al...
Damian Green | 537 c128 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Lady will hold on a second, I shall deal directly with her point. The CPS has advised t...
Lord Blunkett | 537 c126 (Link to this contribution) I just want to make the obvious point that what matters is not when habeas corpus was agreed in prin...
Damian Green | 537 c126 (Link to this contribution) This will be the last intervention on mediaeval history.
Damian Green | 537 c126-7 (Link to this contribution) In his known wisdom, the right hon. Gentleman brings me back to the modern era. When we entered off...
Dominic Raab | 537 c130 (Link to this contribution) With the House's permission, Mr Speaker, I rise for the second time to wind up what has been an exce...
Dominic Raab | 537 c115 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has made the point about the paper test, but the key point made by Alun Jones QC is t...
Michael Ellis | 537 c115-6 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not accept that. I agree with the Scott Baker report that there is no fundamental imbalance...
Charlie Elphicke | 537 c116-8 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Northampton North (Michael Ellis), who made...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 537 c118 (Link to this contribution) It is a real privilege to follow my learned hon. Friend the Member for Dover (Charlie Elphicke) and ...
Michael Ellis | 537 c115 (Link to this contribution) Well, that is one way of looking at it. Certainly, if we were to decide to require everyone to hold ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 537 c119 (Link to this contribution) But it is such a pleasure to hear from the hon. Gentleman, and the tone of the House is raised by hi...
Michael Ellis | 537 c118 (Link to this contribution) We do not have a system of plea bargaining in this country, but does my hon. Friend not accept that ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 537 c118 (Link to this contribution) There are, indeed, but that is of a completely different order of magnitude: one gets a little off o...
Thomas Docherty | 537 c118-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is always worth listening to, even if his arguments are not the strongest of case...
Speaker | 537 c119 (Link to this contribution) Order. It is up to the hon. Gentleman who takes the intervention, but the Member had only just come ...
Chris Bryant | 537 c120-1 (Link to this contribution) I must confess that I was looking forward to more of that. I have on occasion referred to the hon. M...
David Davis | 537 c121 (Link to this contribution) On that point, the hon. Gentleman could have said that it smacked more of New Zealand, Australia, Ge...
Dominic Raab | 537 c120 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making his case in his usual passionate way, laced with history and forensic analy...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 537 c120 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with my hon. Friend. Of course, we are the ones who must decide what is right for t...
Michael Ellis | 537 c119 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend give no credence to the fact that in the 500-page Scott Baker report, commission...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 537 c119-20 (Link to this contribution) Had my hon. Friend paid closer attention to the excellent speech by my hon. Friend the Member for Es...
Chris Bryant | 537 c122-3 (Link to this contribution) I was actually agreeing with the hon. Gentleman in my remarks about cybercrime. I think it is legiti...
Richard Drax | 537 c123 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that if we left the EU, proportionality could be decided in this count...
Chris Bryant | 537 c121-2 (Link to this contribution) It was partly because Russia has made a large number of extradition requests to this country to whic...
Charlie Elphicke | 537 c122 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for being so generous in taking interventions. I put it to him that the o...
Chris Bryant | 537 c123 (Link to this contribution) Oh dear, no. Don't get me started on that. In fact, the hon. Gentleman is wrong about the aetiology ...
Stephen Phillips | 537 c123 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, the hon. Gentleman is therefore advocating that it is perfectly acceptable for c...
Chris Bryant | 537 c123 (Link to this contribution) The Committee makes it clear in its report that the"““EAW is based on the principle of mutual recogn...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 537 c123 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Chris Bryant | 537 c124 (Link to this contribution) Of course I will give way to the hon. Gentleman—he will chunter from a standing position.
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 537 c124 (Link to this contribution) I will indeed. I cannot believe that the hon. Gentleman, wise and sensible as he is, thinks that jus...
Chris Bryant | 537 c124 (Link to this contribution) That kind of casual British superiority sometimes does not carry the day when it comes to making dec...
David Davis | 537 c124 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Chris Bryant | 537 c124 (Link to this contribution) I am being more generous than I should be, but of course I will give way.
David Davis | 537 c124 (Link to this contribution) I rise to get the hon. Gentleman off the hook. He has accepted that judicial and prison systems in o...
Chris Bryant | 537 c124-5 (Link to this contribution) If the right hon. Gentleman does not mind, I am conscious that the Minister's contribution is far mo...
Damian Green | 537 c125-6 (Link to this contribution) It is a terrible ministerial cliché to stand at the Dispatch Box and say that this has been a good a...
Chris Bryant | 537 c124 (Link to this contribution) No I do not accept that. The return question to the right hon. Gentleman would be this: why did he e...
David Davis | 537 c124 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Damian Green | 537 c126 (Link to this contribution) Oh dear, I should not have done this.
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 537 c126 (Link to this contribution) As it happens, one can trace habeas corpus back an extremely long way, but I do not think that I sai...
Damian Green | 537 c126 (Link to this contribution) The record will tell us which of us recollects correctly. Moving rapidly to the 21st century—
David Davis | 537 c126 (Link to this contribution) For the first time in my life, I am ashamed of my hon. Friend the Minister—actually the record goes ...
Damian Green | 537 c126 (Link to this contribution) I can feel a fascinating and wholly irrelevant debate coming upon us, Mr Speaker.
Lord Blunkett | 537 c88 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Esher and Walton (Mr Raab) on obtaining the debate. I shall try t...
Stephen Phillips | 537 c102-4 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Esher and Walton (Mr Raab) on securing this debate and ...
David Davis | 537 c90-1 (Link to this contribution) It is a particular pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Sheffield, Brightside and Hillsborou...
Caroline Lucas | 537 c85 (Link to this contribution) With regard to an earlier intervention, it might be helpful to the House if I explained that the leg...
Nick de Bois | 537 c85 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making an excellent argument. He refers to my constituent, Andrew Symeou. Not only...
Charlie Elphicke | 537 c114 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a powerful speech, but let me ask him a question. If I were facing a Texas ...
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Administration of justice Arrest warrants Extradition Human rights USA
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