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Debate on bill on Tuesday, 21 February 2012, in the House of Commons, led by Jacob Rees-Mogg. The answering member was Edward Leigh.

London Local Authorities Bill [Lords]

London Local Authorities Bill [Lords]. Report stage debate third day. Closure motion agreed on division. Amendments agreed to. Third reading debate interrupted. Debate to be resumed on Tuesday 28 February.

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Parliamentary proceeding
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540 c804-43 
Session
2010-12
Department
Public Accounts Commission
Legislative stage
Third reading
Report stage
Procedure
Closure motions
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Edward Leigh | 540 c805 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend does not have the air of a car salesman.
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c805-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that intervention. I would be happy to be a car salesman, because that is an honou...
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Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c806 (Link to this contribution) It would be a privilege and an honour.
David Nuttall | 540 c806 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend refers to council officials today as ““odd-bods””. When we considered the first group...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c806 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that intervention. I ought to clarify things. A lot of council o...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c804 (Link to this contribution) Clause 9 makes further provision about street trading in relation to the sale of vehicles over the i...
Speaker | 540 c804 (Link to this contribution) Order. One moment, Mr Rees-Mogg. As Mr Chope is still in his place, may I say that I have looked aga...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c804-5 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. As I was saying, I added my name to amendment 22, which seeks to remo...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c808 (Link to this contribution) That is, of course, extremely wise, as is anything the great lady says. In ancient Rome, the Senate ...
Mike Freer | 540 c808 (Link to this contribution) I want to clarify and to pick up the point where we left off some weeks ago. The amendment is accept...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c808 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend says community charge from a sedentary position, and I admire his pedantry. I am deli...
Conor Burns | 540 c808 (Link to this contribution) I was merely trying to correct my hon. Friend's description of that wonderful piece of legislation. ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c808 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful for that intervention. Do I understand correctly: is amendment 26 accepted?
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c807-8 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful for the correction. I did think of saying in my best Eliza Doolittle tones, ““'ac...
Robert Neill | 540 c807 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to prolong matters, but may I respectfully say to my hon. Friend that as a freeman of ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c804 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, amendment 22, to leave out clause 9.
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c818 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a good point, as always, and it is one of those occasions when one needs balanc...
David Nuttall | 540 c814 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will have seen amendment 67, which was tabled by our hon. Friend the Member for Shipl...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c814-8 (Link to this contribution) I am very interested to think about that proposal. The current Mayor of London is one of the greates...
Tom Brake | 540 c818 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that there is no link between the level of self-importance that someon...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c818-9 (Link to this contribution) Some people may have been thinking from my speech that, despite not being in a uniform, I have an un...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c813-4 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend's imagination is so wonderful and glorious that it allows us to consider the possibil...
Glyn Davies | 540 c812 (Link to this contribution) I find my hon. Friend's argument persuasive, but does he agree that when we give authority to people...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c809 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that point. It is, of course, human to err and divine to forgive...
Rebecca Harris | 540 c809 (Link to this contribution) I think my hon. Friend is misunderstanding the scale of the problem, which is often not a modest inc...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c809-10 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for an extremely helpful and important intervention, which suggests ...
Christopher Chope | 540 c810 (Link to this contribution) If the Bill goes through in its current state, the problem described by our hon. Friend the Member f...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c810-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that wise intervention. It is like squeezing a balloon. I doubt,...
Rebecca Harris | 540 c811 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend aware of the difficulties imposed on legitimate car traders, who have planning per...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c811-2 (Link to this contribution) I welcome my hon. Friend's conversion to deregulation and low taxes. If the problem is that we are e...
Christopher Chope | 540 c809 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is introducing this group of amendments with such expertise. In fairness to our hon. ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c808-9 (Link to this contribution) Some people might wonder why some of us speak for hours in these debates, but I must say that is exa...
Christopher Chope | 540 c841 (Link to this contribution) Everybody seems to be rather reluctant to engage in this Third Reading debate—admittedly, we probabl...
Mike Freer | 540 c839 (Link to this contribution) claimed to move the closure (Standing Order No. 36). Question put forthwith, That the Question be n...
David Nuttall | 540 c838-9 (Link to this contribution) I see where my hon. Friend is coming from, but clause 9 does send out a message, because I do not se...
Peter Bottomley | 540 c838 (Link to this contribution) Unintentionally. If the entrepreneur were selling soap from a stall with four wheels on the public h...
Peter Bottomley | 540 c838 (Link to this contribution) Regrettably, I suspect that our hon. Friend the Member for Wellingborough (Mr Bone) has misled our h...
David Nuttall | 540 c838 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. One of the dangers of these provisions, and one of the ills that...
Peter Bone | 540 c838 (Link to this contribution) We now get to the nub of the matter. What we are seeing tonight is regulation being brought in for a...
David Nuttall | 540 c837-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that intervention. There is a risk that an over-zealous tatterde...
Christopher Chope | 540 c842-3 (Link to this contribution) Again, my hon. Friend makes a good point. I hope that he will be able to make a significant contribu...
Peter Bone | 540 c842 (Link to this contribution) One of the advantages in the House is that after Report, Members such as me who did not have a chanc...
Peter Bottomley | 540 c842 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. There are times in Committee when an amendment has been d...
Christopher Chope | 540 c842 (Link to this contribution) I do not understand that, because what happened was that the wisdom of a lot of the amendments that ...
Christopher Chope | 540 c842 (Link to this contribution) That was an unnecessarily impertinent and provocative intervention by my hon. Friend. As we were de...
Speaker | 540 c842 (Link to this contribution) No. It would not be proper, and no, the question cannot be put as a second point in a point of order...
Peter Bottomley | 540 c842 (Link to this contribution) There is a distinction between vindication and the reason for something happening, is there not?
Christopher Chope | 540 c841-2 (Link to this contribution) I think that may well be so. Indeed, I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that intervention, because ...
Peter Bottomley | 540 c842 (Link to this contribution) At the risk of repeating myself, there is a distinction between vindication and the result of certai...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c836 (Link to this contribution) I am extraordinarily grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way; he is most generous. I am concerned ...
Christopher Chope | 540 c833 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend suggests that this trade is related to organised crime. If so, the police commissione...
Mike Freer | 540 c833 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right, in that it is a legitimate use of the highway if a car is taxed and insured...
Christopher Chope | 540 c833 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend accept that the vehicles to which he refers have to be taxed if they are parked ...
Mike Freer | 540 c832 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has made a good point. Those of us who have had to implement widespread CPZs in our b...
David Nuttall | 540 c834-6 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree. The quality of the legislation that passes through this House would be enormously ...
Peter Bone | 540 c834 (Link to this contribution) Is this not what Parliament should be doing, including with Government business, too? Should we not ...
David Nuttall | 540 c834 (Link to this contribution) I start by thanking my hon. Friend the Member for Finchley and Golders Green (Mike Freer) for his gr...
Mike Freer | 540 c833-4 (Link to this contribution) I have no doubt that the police commissioner is trying to deal with the gangs behind this activity. ...
Bob Blackman | 540 c832 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is beginning to expose one of the problems that the Bill seeks to resolve. When CPZs ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c836 (Link to this contribution) The position from HMRC's point of view is interesting and important. Motor cars are exempt from capi...
David Nuttall | 540 c836 (Link to this contribution) Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs may well have reached a conclusion about the activities of an indi...
Peter Bone | 540 c837 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is talking about a new subject which has not been discussed tonight. I am glad we are...
David Nuttall | 540 c836 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a good point. If the Revenue decided to investigate such matters and concluded ...
David Nuttall | 540 c837 (Link to this contribution) Even if that were the case and Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs decided that trading had taken plac...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c837 (Link to this contribution) It occurs to me that a trader could be caught out by accident simply if someone took a car for a tes...
David Nuttall | 540 c837 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a good point. It again comes down to the precise wording of clause 9, and I thi...
Peter Bone | 540 c836 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way. I realise that he is going through his speech rapidl...
David Nuttall | 540 c836 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a very interesting point. As we shall see in some of the later provisions—if ti...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c829 (Link to this contribution) I think my hon. Friend's point is one of absolute clarity, justness and truth. It seems to me that c...
Christopher Chope | 540 c828-9 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that there is any confusion, but I am happy to try to clear it up. I am speaking to the p...
Peter Bottomley | 540 c828 (Link to this contribution) In the last 30 minutes I have failed to distinguish whether my hon. Friend, in his clever way, is sa...
David Nuttall | 540 c828 (Link to this contribution) On residents' parking, is it not the case that, whether or not a car is being offered for sale, it w...
Christopher Chope | 540 c828 (Link to this contribution) Either that or there are too many cars—that might be another interpretation. Or, there are too many ...
Bob Blackman | 540 c827 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend now advancing the view that in the light of the Localism Act 2011, which the House...
Christopher Chope | 540 c828 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend raises an interesting point. Obviously, the Bill started off four or five years ago, ...
Christopher Chope | 540 c827 (Link to this contribution) I understand the distinction between the points made by my two hon. Friends. Surely the solution to ...
Christopher Chope | 540 c827 (Link to this contribution) If it is a residents' parking place, to occupy it lawfully there has to be a residents' parking perm...
Mike Freer | 540 c831-2 (Link to this contribution) As ever, I am grateful for my hon. Friend's perspicacity. There has always been a variance in local ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c831 (Link to this contribution) If people are strumming a guitar, they ought to be arrested.
Christopher Chope | 540 c830 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for the latter part of his intervention. I like to think that, when ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c830 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for Worthing West (Sir Peter Bottomley) has conjured up a marvellous pictu...
Christopher Chope | 540 c830-1 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely right. It is sometimes difficult to give personal examples, but I shall give the...
Mike Freer | 540 c831 (Link to this contribution) I shall deal with a couple of points before talking about the amendments. Let me try to lay to rest ...
Christopher Chope | 540 c829 (Link to this contribution) That is probably one of the most compelling points made in this evening's debate. My hon. Friend, wi...
Bob Blackman | 540 c829 (Link to this contribution) Some vehicles that are being sold on the street have signs in their window saying that they are for ...
Christopher Chope | 540 c830 (Link to this contribution) I understand the scenario that my hon. Friend is describing, but could not that problem be resolved ...
Peter Bottomley | 540 c830 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to suggest a practical answer to the problem, but there are plenty of people living in We...
Peter Bottomley | 540 c825 (Link to this contribution) At the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, is my hon. Friend arguing that we should not allow lo...
Christopher Chope | 540 c824-5 (Link to this contribution) That is a very potent intervention because it covers several different issues. My hon. Friend is bas...
Peter Bottomley | 540 c824 (Link to this contribution) When I have had responsibility, I have always found that if one tries something out and it works, ot...
Christopher Chope | 540 c819 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend accept that one beneficial side effect of his suggestion is that replicas of suc...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c819-22 (Link to this contribution) It was Winston Churchill who said that he had often had to eat his words and had found it a very goo...
Christopher Chope | 540 c822-4 (Link to this contribution) I first congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for North East Somerset (Jacob Rees-Mogg) on another ...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c819 (Link to this contribution) That is an idea of the most sumptuous gloriousness. It would be a fine way of raising money and redu...
Bob Blackman | 540 c819 (Link to this contribution) I am listening to my hon. Friend's speech with great interest, but would not the advent of selling s...
Christopher Chope | 540 c826 (Link to this contribution) That is the more proper interpretation of the fact that there are no London Members in the Chamber w...
Bob Blackman | 540 c826-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will appreciate that the streets of London are relatively congested with parking. One...
Christopher Chope | 540 c826 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman says from a sedentary position that it does cause offence. If he thinks so, why d...
Christopher Chope | 540 c825 (Link to this contribution) I note from my hon. Friend's gestures that he accepts that that would be a better way forward. I hop...
Peter Bottomley | 540 c825 (Link to this contribution) I think that it would be an objective remark to say that the amount of time taken up is determined b...
Christopher Chope | 540 c825 (Link to this contribution) Again, I differ with my hon. Friend. It is a function of the quality of the legislation. A good Bill...
Chris Williamson | 540 c825 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman talks about popular support. Is it not significant that not one single Member of ...
Christopher Chope | 540 c825-6 (Link to this contribution) I see that the hon. Gentleman and the hon. Member for Clwyd South (Susan Elan Jones) are the only tw...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c826 (Link to this contribution) Could one put an alternative gloss on the lack of attendance of London Members—that they are embarra...
Glyn Davies | 540 c818 (Link to this contribution) This is perhaps one area—the uniform—where I feel rather suspicious of what we are talking about. In...
Christopher Chope | 540 c813 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a powerful point. Does he agree that the concern of many is that that could...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 540 c812-3 (Link to this contribution) I have the greatest sympathy with my hon. Friend's view. It can often be a mistake to give an excess...
Christopher Chope | 540 c842 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I could not hear the last word that my hon. Friend uttered.
Peter Bottomley | 540 c827 (Link to this contribution) I think that my hon. Friend has taken our hon. Friend's words too precisely. If these are places whe...
Christopher Chope | 540 c825 (Link to this contribution) If my hon. Friend's intention is to provoke me by describing me as a socialist, he has certainly suc...
Speaker | 540 c804 (Link to this contribution) With this we are taking amendments 23, 24, 61, 41, 63, 25 to 27, 64, 28, 42, P1, 29, 30, 43, 66, 67,...
Peter Bone | 540 c841 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that that is probably why the promoter of the Bill was reluctant to start ...
Christopher Chope | 540 c837 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a good point. Clause 9 states that the provisions should include any vehicle th...
Subjects
Fees and charges Greater London Internet Local government Powers Private bills Street trading
Legislation
London Local Authorities Bill (HL) 2007-08 to 2010-12
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