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Emergency debate on Tuesday, 20 March 2012, in the House of Commons, led by Andy Burnham. The answering member was Lord Lansley.

Health and Social Care Bill

Motion that this House has considered the matter of whether the House should defer consideration of Lords Amendments to the Health and Social Care Bill until after disclosure of the NHS transitional risk register. Emergency debate following a Standing Order No. 24 application. Agreed to on division (328 to 246).

Secondary information

Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
542 c655-84 
Session
2010-12
Department
Department of Health
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Related items
Health and Social Care Bill
Monday, 19 March 2012
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 542 c672 (Link to this contribution) I inform the House that there is a slight discrepancy between the clock time shown on the annunciato...
Speaker | 542 c659 (Link to this contribution) Order. The Secretary of State has indicated that he wishes to speak later in the debate—[Interruptio...
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Sarah Wollaston | 542 c673 (Link to this contribution) Listening to Labour and seeing the extreme shroud waving that has been going on is, frankly, enough ...
Sarah Wollaston | 542 c673 (Link to this contribution) I am not trying to trivialise the issue; believe me, I understand how vital the NHS is to all our co...
Andy Burnham | 542 c673 (Link to this contribution) I am listening carefully to what the hon. Lady is saying. I remember, however, a comment that she ma...
Sarah Wollaston | 542 c673 (Link to this contribution) There we go—a deliberate misrepresentation. After I made those comments, I wrote to senior colleague...
Grahame Morris | 542 c673 (Link to this contribution) In the context of her medicinal anecdote, does the hon. Lady not accept that members of the public a...
John Pugh | 542 c674 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady recall saying that the absence of an intermediary body between small GP commissio...
Sarah Wollaston | 542 c674 (Link to this contribution) I believe that by the time of the next election, our patients will still be going to see GPs. They w...
Caroline Lucas | 542 c674-5 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for Totnes (Dr Wollaston), for whom I have great respect. I a...
Lord Lansley | 542 c675 (Link to this contribution) Your generosity of spirit is legendary, Mr Speaker, and you were characteristically generous in acce...
Lord Lansley | 542 c676 (Link to this contribution) No. Risk registers do not represent a balanced view. They are not a prediction of the future. They ...
Duncan Hames | 542 c676 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State consistently makes the distinction between policy development issues and oper...
Lord Lansley | 542 c676 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman knows perfectly well that in the debate on 22 February we made it clear tha...
Joan Ruddock | 542 c676 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Lansley | 542 c676-8 (Link to this contribution) As the House has noted, risk registers designed for publication form part of the papers prepared for...
Andy Burnham | 542 c678-80 (Link to this contribution) In the past few minutes, we have seen a perfect demonstration at the Dispatch Box of why the right h...
Susan Elan Jones | 542 c667 (Link to this contribution) There was one small omission from my hon. Friend's list of the many opponents of the Bill: the agent...
David Anderson | 542 c666-7 (Link to this contribution) This debate is about contempt—for the Information Commissioner, for the tribunal, for the people who...
Stephen Dorrell | 542 c668-9 (Link to this contribution) Thank you for calling me, Mr Speaker, for what I hope will be a brief intervention prompted by the r...
David Anderson | 542 c667-8 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. As an eternal optimist, I continue to hope against hope that the...
Stephen Dorrell | 542 c669 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to my hon. Friend in a moment. The important principle—it is always an important pr...
Stephen Dorrell | 542 c669 (Link to this contribution) As I have quoted the right hon. Gentleman, I shall give way to him.
John Healey | 542 c669 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is making an argument for blanket secrecy. However, this is less about his ...
Baroness Keeley | 542 c669 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is talking about advice. It has been made clear that this is not advice but...
Stephen Dorrell | 542 c669 (Link to this contribution) It is an interesting debate whether a risk register about a transition related to a policy is advice...
Andrew George | 542 c669 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Stephen Dorrell | 542 c670 (Link to this contribution) Of course I agree with the proposition in the way that my hon. Friend puts it. However, the proposit...
Andrew George | 542 c670 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend has argued the case on behalf of retired senior civil servants and Government F...
Stephen Dorrell | 542 c669 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is correct, but he does not go to the end of the process, because the reaso...
Sarah Wollaston | 542 c672 (Link to this contribution) I have just been reading a kind of risk register—the risk register for Ibuprofen—and I have been rea...
Grahame Morris | 542 c671-2 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely; I completely agree with my right hon. Friend. These are huge structural changes to a bel...
Grahame Morris | 542 c671 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely; good point, well made. If the Government had nothing to hide and were not concerned, the...
John Healey | 542 c671 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend also confirm that, in that session on 23 November 2010, Sir David Nicholson stat...
Grahame Morris | 542 c670 (Link to this contribution) I have got out of my sick bed to be here today, because this is a vital debate, and I am grateful fo...
Jim Dowd | 542 c670-1 (Link to this contribution) It is beyond doubt that the Information Commissioner considered all these matters before reaching hi...
Andy Burnham | 542 c656-7 (Link to this contribution) No, because we brought down NHS waiting lists to their lowest ever levels and we left patient satisf...
Alex Cunningham | 542 c657 (Link to this contribution) I am sure my right hon. Friend will join me in wishing well 11-year-old Bailey Stark in my constitue...
Andy Burnham | 542 c655 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That this House has considered the matter of whether the House should defer considera...
Andy Burnham | 542 c655-6 (Link to this contribution) I do not plan to give way because I want other Members to have the chance to contribute to the debat...
Lord Redwood | 542 c655 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Andy Burnham | 542 c656 (Link to this contribution) I will give way once to the right hon. Gentleman and then I will finish my remarks.
Lord Redwood | 542 c656 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful. When Labour introduced private contractors to carry out NHS treatments, did that...
David Evennett | 542 c661 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Frank Dobson | 542 c662 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not give way, even to the hon. Member for St Ives (Andrew George), who has made a very ho...
Andrew George | 542 c662 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Frank Dobson | 542 c661-2 (Link to this contribution) No. The Government have not made such a case for change. They have not convinced the 1 million-odd ...
Tony Baldry | 542 c661 (Link to this contribution) No. All I am saying to my hon. Friend is that this is a debate about the relationship between civil...
Speaker | 542 c661 (Link to this contribution) Do I take it that the hon. Gentleman has concluded his speech?
Tony Baldry | 542 c661 (Link to this contribution) I can assure my hon. Friend that what I am saying is true. All he has to do is walk a few feet to th...
Karl Turner | 542 c661 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Tony Baldry | 542 c661 (Link to this contribution) I have, Mr Speaker, and I hope that I have made my point.
Frank Dobson | 542 c661 (Link to this contribution) The national health service is probably the most precious institution in this country. It is vital t...
Henry Smith | 542 c665 (Link to this contribution) I think the biggest risk to the national health service is if we do not reform it and move it forwar...
Helen Jones | 542 c665 (Link to this contribution) No one on the Opposition Benches has argued that the NHS does not need to continue to improve. That ...
Henry Smith | 542 c665 (Link to this contribution) I believe I do understand the difference between the different types of risk register, but if we sim...
Andy Burnham | 542 c665 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman understand the difference between a strategic risk register and a transition...
Henry Smith | 542 c665-6 (Link to this contribution) I am a great supporter of transparency across all our public services, and the people of this countr...
Fiona Mactaggart | 542 c665 (Link to this contribution) One reform that I imagine the hon. Gentleman will welcome is the Chancellor's proposal, which we gat...
John Pugh | 542 c662 (Link to this contribution) It is a sure sign of a deranged mind when one starts to repeat oneself. I have said previously that ...
John Pugh | 542 c662-3 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman checks Hansard carefully, he will find that there were occasions when I did. W...
Henry Smith | 542 c664-5 (Link to this contribution) It is a great honour to take part once again in a debate on the Health and Social Care Bill. I first...
Andy Burnham | 542 c658-9 (Link to this contribution) I refer the right hon. Gentleman to the Information Commissioner's ruling on the decision about a th...
Stephen Dorrell | 542 c658 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman. Will he just clarify one issue of principle for the House...
Andy Burnham | 542 c658 (Link to this contribution) I will give way for one last time.
Andy Burnham | 542 c658 (Link to this contribution) They are safeguards in light of the huge potential for the conflict of interests in the award of con...
Stephen Dorrell | 542 c658 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Andy Burnham | 542 c657-8 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way. I will now bring my remarks to a close. We are clear that the risks in the Bil...
Stephen Dorrell | 542 c658 (Link to this contribution) On that point, will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Andy Burnham | 542 c657 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady for her point. The Liberal Democrats once derided the Freedom of Info...
Stephen Dorrell | 542 c657 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Andy Burnham | 542 c657 (Link to this contribution) Members shout ““Scaremongering”” from the Government Benches, but the Government will not publish th...
Caroline Lucas | 542 c657 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman share my surprise and sadness that the Liberal Democrats, who were onc...
Joan Ruddock | 542 c660 (Link to this contribution) Why therefore has the strategic health authority in London felt able to publish its risk register? T...
Tony Baldry | 542 c660 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the right hon. Lady. Lord Wilson made it clear in his comments:"““Every day in g...
John Pugh | 542 c660 (Link to this contribution) If what the hon. Gentleman says is true, why has the Cabinet Office released the register on civil e...
Tony Baldry | 542 c660 (Link to this contribution) I understand that point, but they are very different registers. The register to which the right hon....
John Pugh | 542 c660 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Joan Ruddock | 542 c660 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Speaker | 542 c659 (Link to this contribution) He was in, on the list and at the top. If he does not wish to speak, so be it.
Tony Baldry | 542 c659-60 (Link to this contribution) I start by apologising to the House for making what I suspect may sound like a slightly portentous s...
Sarah Wollaston | 542 c674 (Link to this contribution) The equivalent of that is actually the impact assessment. However, as I have said, I would be prepar...
Karl Turner | 542 c662 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. He says that he has been opposed to the Bill fro...
John Healey | 542 c663-4 (Link to this contribution) This Standing Order No. 24 debate is an important statement from Parliament to the Government. We ex...
John Healey | 542 c676 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman argues that one of the principal reasons why the Government have not accept...
Subjects
Disclosure of information NHS Privatisation Private patients Reorganisation Risk assessment
Legislation
Health and Social Care Bill 2010-12
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