Budget debate on Wednesday, 8 March 2017, in the House of Commons, led by Jeremy Corbyn.
Budget Resolutions
Budget debate (first day). Motion that (1) it is expedient to amend the law with respect to the National Debt and the public revenue and to make further provision in connection with finance. (2) This Resolution does not extend to the making of any amendment with respect to value added tax so as to provide— (a) for zero-rating or exempting a supply, acquisition or importation; (b) for refunding an amount of tax; (c) for any relief, other than a relief that— (i) so far as it is applicable to goods, applies to goods of every description, and (ii) so far as it is applicable to services, applies to services of every description. Debate adjourned, to be resumed tomorrow.
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- Proceeding contributions
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Jeremy Corbyn | 622 cc918-825 (Link to this contribution)
This is a Budget of utter complacency about the state of our economy, utter complacency about the...
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Lindsay Hoyle | 622 c825 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Can I just say to Members on the Government Benches that I want to hear the Leader of the ...
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Jeremy Corbyn | 622 cc825-8 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker.
There is nothing funny about being one of the 900,000 workers...
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Lord Tyrie | 622 cc828-9 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that there is a great deal of concord in the House about that speech, but I think ...
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Chris Leslie | 622 c829 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman is providing a good analysis so far. On the increase in national insuran...
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Lord Tyrie | 622 c829 (Link to this contribution)
The Chancellor set out his reasons quite carefully. He thinks that there is a strong argument for...
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Wes Streeting | 622 c830 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
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Lord Tyrie | 622 c830 (Link to this contribution)
I give way to the hon. Gentleman, who is a member of the Treasury Committee.
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Wes Streeting | 622 c830 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the right hon. Gentleman that merely delaying by a year is insufficient. Does he agr...
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Lord Tyrie | 622 c830 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes a powerful point, and of course I support his support for the proposals ...
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Kit Malthouse | 622 c830 (Link to this contribution)
Like my right hon. Friend, I welcome the easing for businesses below the VAT threshold, but does ...
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Lord Tyrie | 622 cc830-1 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend, who is also a member of the Treasury Committee, makes the point that modest or sl...
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David Burrowes | 622 c831 (Link to this contribution)
In the spirit of thanking the Chancellor, will my right hon. Friend join me in thanking him for s...
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Lord Tyrie | 622 c831 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has made his point, and he may well be right. I never talk about cider for long in...
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Lord Tyrie | 622 c831 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way one last time.
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Geraint Davies | 622 c832 (Link to this contribution)
Is the right hon. Gentleman disappointed as I am that the Chancellor did not mention that real wa...
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Lord Tyrie | 622 c832 (Link to this contribution)
I will end with a word or two about Brexit, but I will not comment on the exchange rate except to...
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Stella Creasy | 622 c832 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
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Lord Tyrie | 622 c832 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Lady will forgive me, I would rather wind up. I am sure she will want to make her own...
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Lindsay Hoyle | 622 c833 (Link to this contribution)
Order. After this next speech, the time limit on speeches will be 10 minutes.
2.11 pm
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Stewart Hosie | 622 c833 (Link to this contribution)
In many ways, the Chancellor did not disappoint us. We had the self-effacing jokes about spreadsh...
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Geraint Davies | 622 c833 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
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Stewart Hosie | 622 c833 (Link to this contribution)
Not at the moment.
Budgets can sometimes be assessed more by what is omitted than by what i...
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Steve Rotheram | 622 c833 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
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Stewart Hosie | 622 c833 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way in a moment.
Although in passing the Chancellor mentioned fairness and, in...
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Andy Burnham | 622 c833 (Link to this contribution)
On the subject of omissions from the Chancellor’s statement, the hon. Gentleman will know that hu...
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Stewart Hosie | 622 c833 (Link to this contribution)
The final omission is any redress for the WASPI women. That is absolutely correct.
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Steve Rotheram | 622 c833 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
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Stewart Hosie | 622 cc833-4 (Link to this contribution)
Not at the moment.
It is worth reminding ourselves how we got to where we are today. It is ...
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Lord Redwood | 622 c834 (Link to this contribution)
Can the hon. Gentleman explain why he and his party thought before and immediately after the refe...
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Stewart Hosie | 622 cc834-6 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman is completely wrong. I can say with absolute certainty that there was ne...
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George Kerevan | 622 c836 (Link to this contribution)
Is my hon. Friend aware that the Red Book also points out that, over the forecast period, the cum...
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Stewart Hosie | 622 c836 (Link to this contribution)
That is precisely the point. The choices are that we grow and we take exports seriously, or we do...
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Caroline Lucas | 622 c836 (Link to this contribution)
Earlier, the hon. Gentleman was talking about significant omissions. Does he share my deep concer...
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Stewart Hosie | 622 c837 (Link to this contribution)
The pattern that we have seen over the past few years confirms that. It is not just about the pho...
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Charlie Elphicke | 622 c837 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman not agree that, if people work, they should be taxed equally? There is a ...
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Stewart Hosie | 622 c837 (Link to this contribution)
This is the problem with Tories. They talk about business as if they know it. They assume that ev...
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Stewart Hosie | 622 cc837-8 (Link to this contribution)
I will not give way for the moment, because I want to make a little progress.
The Chancello...
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Steve Rotheram | 622 c838 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
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Stewart Hosie | 622 c838 (Link to this contribution)
Not at the moment.
There is no guarantee that a deal will be done. If the Chancellor expect...
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Philip Boswell | 622 c838 (Link to this contribution)
Was my hon. Friend as concerned as I was at the announcement just six days ago in the Irish press...
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Stewart Hosie | 622 cc838-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am not shocked or surprised by that. What we need to do is ensure, certainly in Scotland, and i...
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Lindsay Hoyle | 622 c839 (Link to this contribution)
There is now a 10-minute time limit on speeches.
2.33 pm
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Lord Redwood | 622 c839 (Link to this contribution)
I draw the House’s attention to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests.
T...
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Alison McGovern | 622 c839 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman says that we ought to get rid of forecasters in the OBR and the Bank of ...
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Lord Redwood | 622 c839 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that the hon. Lady was listening to what I said. I asked whether we have too many ...
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George Kerevan | 622 c840 (Link to this contribution)
I clearly remember being in the Treasury Committee when we interviewed the Chancellor, and clearl...
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Lord Redwood | 622 c840 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted that the hon. Gentleman shared my scepticism. I just wish that he had said rather ...
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Mark Prisk | 622 c840 (Link to this contribution)
One of the difficulties I found when I was Minister with responsibility for construction was that...
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Lord Redwood | 622 cc840-1 (Link to this contribution)
That might be worth looking at. We need to consider why the forecasts went so comprehensively wro...
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Stella Creasy | 622 c841 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
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Lord Redwood | 622 cc841-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am running out of time, so I cannot take any more interventions. I welcome the decision to have...
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Rachel Reeves | 622 cc842-3 (Link to this contribution)
The Chancellor spoke today about his determination to tackle the dangers lurking in the small pri...
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Lord Redwood | 622 c843 (Link to this contribution)
Is not it a good thing if a young person with a reasonable job takes out a mortgage? Is not it se...
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Rachel Reeves | 622 cc843-4 (Link to this contribution)
Unsecured debt, as the right hon. Gentleman knows, grew by 10% last year. That is not secured aga...
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Lucy Frazer | 622 c844 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady said it was important to spend more on childcare. When the Chancellor delivered his...
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Rachel Reeves | 622 cc844-5 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. and learned Lady will also know that the manifesto promise the Conservative party was el...
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Kevin Foster | 622 c845 (Link to this contribution)
I am listening with interest to the hon. Lady. She made reference to a number of benefits; she mi...
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Rachel Reeves | 622 cc845-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that the hon. Gentleman read that article; I said I would be tougher than the Tories in...
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Charlie Elphicke | 622 c846 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Leeds West (Rachel Reeves), who spoke with greater...
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Meg Hillier | 622 c846 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that that problem simply hammers small businesses in the UK that ar...
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Charlie Elphicke | 622 cc846-7 (Link to this contribution)
The Chair of the Public Accounts Committee makes a powerful point. That is why I greatly welcome ...
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Stella Creasy | 622 c847 (Link to this contribution)
What will the hon. Gentleman say to the 10,000 self-employed people in my constituency and the 3,...
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Charlie Elphicke | 622 c847 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady knows that we have legislated to place a lock on class 1 national insurance contrib...
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Jonathan Reynolds | 622 c847 (Link to this contribution)
I would not usually intervene in such a situation, but I must say to the hon. Gentleman that self...
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Charlie Elphicke | 622 cc847-8 (Link to this contribution)
It is absolutely fascinating, is it not? One moment, the Labour party and the trade unions say, “...
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Geraint Davies | 622 c848 (Link to this contribution)
I am listening carefully to the hon. Gentleman, but does he not agree that after we trigger artic...
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Charlie Elphicke | 622 cc848-9 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has long had a strong position on the matter. He knows as well as I do that pe...
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Chris Leslie | 622 cc849-850 (Link to this contribution)
It is always good to try to find an area of the Budget on which we can show that there is some co...
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Andrew Murrison | 622 c850 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman clearly has not read the report on the Budget, because its very first sentence...
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Chris Leslie | 622 cc850-1 (Link to this contribution)
Why did the Chancellor not mention it in his speech? It is true, as somebody said recently, that ...
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Sammy Wilson | 622 c851 (Link to this contribution)
I hate to deflate the hon. Gentleman’s main argument, but the Chancellor did actually mention Bre...
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Chris Leslie | 622 cc851-2 (Link to this contribution)
The Brexit analysis that should be in the Budget should take into account the drivers that produc...
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Drew Hendry | 622 c852 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is making a telling point about the self-employed. Is the change not also an a...
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Chris Leslie | 622 cc852-3 (Link to this contribution)
That is exactly right.
The self-employed do not have the same security, which is why we hav...
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Andrew Murrison | 622 cc853-5 (Link to this contribution)
It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Nottingham East (Chris Leslie). It is also a...
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Meg Hillier | 622 cc855-7 (Link to this contribution)
Today’s Budget makes promises on NHS investment and on investing in education, and promises to ta...
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Lord Beamish | 622 c856 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that this means diverting funds from schools that badly need improvemen...
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Meg Hillier | 622 cc856-8 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend raises an important point. It is a matter of concern when too many free schools do...
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Clive Betts | 622 c858 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right: these measures may be welcome, but they are temporary. The Government ha...
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Meg Hillier | 622 cc858-9 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has raised a very important point. In the coming weeks, the Public Accounts Commit...
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Jacob Rees-Mogg | 622 cc859-860 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member for Hackney South and Shoreditch (Meg Hillier) lays down the challenge that not e...
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Geraint Davies | 622 c860 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman not agree that the Brexit vote reduced the size of the cloth at a stroke?...
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Jacob Rees-Mogg | 622 c860 (Link to this contribution)
That really depends on how we measure our cloth. I am in favour of measuring my cloth in imperial...
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Rob Marris | 622 c860 (Link to this contribution)
May I sound for the hon. Gentleman two notes of caution? First, he has just said that post-Brexit...
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Jacob Rees-Mogg | 622 c860 (Link to this contribution)
The forecasts are taken from the OBR and if the hon. Gentleman looks at its rather thicker report...
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Jacob Rees-Mogg | 622 c861 (Link to this contribution)
Of course I give way to the hon. Lady.
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Helen Goodman | 622 c861 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman should give way not to me, but to the OBR, which he has been complimenting so ...
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Jacob Rees-Mogg | 622 cc861-2 (Link to this contribution)
That was broadly the point I was making—the OBR is quite cautious. I was not disputing that it is...
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Rob Marris | 622 c862 (Link to this contribution)
I will tell the hon. Gentleman what I was chuntering on about. He talks about periodic payments. ...
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Jacob Rees-Mogg | 622 cc862-3 (Link to this contribution)
We can set rates in a different way. We can set them, then adjust them for inflation at a lower i...
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Sammy Wilson | 622 cc863-4 (Link to this contribution)
The Chancellor started his Budget speech in an appropriate way by making a confession. He said th...
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Rob Marris | 622 c864 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman may be aware, according to the Library briefing paper, an OECD working pape...
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Sammy Wilson | 622 c864 (Link to this contribution)
There are real dangers. Consumer spending is a huge component of GDP, and of course we need buoya...
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George Kerevan | 622 c864 (Link to this contribution)
On that point, does the hon. Gentleman agree that, rather than the Chancellor keeping his investm...
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Sammy Wilson | 622 cc864-5 (Link to this contribution)
There is a strong case for saying that, especially given the way in which Government fixed capita...
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Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 622 c865 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Unfortunately, I have to reduce the time limit for Back-Bench speeches to eight minutes.
Nigel Mills | 622 cc865-8 (Link to this contribution)Like the hon. Member for East Antrim (Sammy Wilson), I welcome the overall message and direction ...
Diana Johnson | 622 cc868-9 (Link to this contribution)As it is International Women’s Day, I want to start my remarks by paying tribute to Mary Denness,...
Ian Lucas | 622 c869 (Link to this contribution)Over four years, as well.
Diana Johnson | 622 cc869-870 (Link to this contribution)And the money is for over four years, as my hon. Friend rightly points out.
No money was id...
David Rutley | 622 c870 (Link to this contribution)It is always a pleasure to participate in a Budget debate, and that is no less the case today. It...
Ian Lucas | 622 c870 (Link to this contribution)indicated dissent.
David Rutley | 622 c870 (Link to this contribution)The hon. Gentleman is shaking his head vigorously. I would welcome an intervention, if he wants t...
Ian Lucas | 622 c870 (Link to this contribution)I hope to catch Madam Deputy Speaker’s eye shortly, and this topic will be a big part of my speec...
David Rutley | 622 cc870-2 (Link to this contribution)There are interesting schemes ahead, which I am sure the hon. Gentleman is also working on, to tr...
Rob Marris | 622 cc872-4 (Link to this contribution)In his response to the Budget, the Leader of the Opposition set out an impressive list of spendin...
Alan Mak | 622 cc873-6 (Link to this contribution)It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Wolverhampton South West (Rob Marris). I am please...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 622 c875 (Link to this contribution)By mentioning John Maynard Keynes, the hon. Gentleman tempts me too much. Surely, John Maynard Ke...
Alan Mak | 622 cc875-7 (Link to this contribution)I thank the hon. Gentleman. I think that John Maynard Keynes’s economic theory is now largely dis...
Ian Lucas | 622 c877 (Link to this contribution)It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Havant (Mr Mak), who spoke about the fourth indust...
David Rutley | 622 c877 (Link to this contribution)Does the hon. Gentleman recall that, shortly after the Budget speech given by the former Chancell...
Ian Lucas | 622 c877 (Link to this contribution)Strangely, I do not remember that; but the Government certainly got their excuses in early.
Ian Lucas | 622 cc877-9 (Link to this contribution)Let me make some progress.
I recently saw an example of the problems in our economy, and I ...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 622 c878 (Link to this contribution)Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Ian Lucas | 622 c878 (Link to this contribution)I cannot give way; I have very little time.
In the 1970s, an excellent public transport sys...
Kevin Foster | 622 cc878-880 (Link to this contribution)It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Wrexham (Ian C. Lucas). I felt as though I w...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 622 c880 (Link to this contribution)We have not left yet.
Kevin Foster | 622 c880 (Link to this contribution)I hear a heckle. It is true that we have not left yet, but most businesses do not look at what is...
George Kerevan | 622 c880 (Link to this contribution)Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Kevin Foster | 622 c880 (Link to this contribution)I will, briefly.
George Kerevan | 622 c880 (Link to this contribution)I thank the hon. Gentleman. I realise that he has only just begun his speech. If he alludes to th...
Kevin Foster | 622 c880 (Link to this contribution)I am sure that, as ever, the hon. Gentleman was seeking to be helpful with that intervention. Let...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 622 c880 (Link to this contribution)Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 622 c881 (Link to this contribution)Canada exports 75% of its products to the United States of America; is the hon. Gentleman arguing...
Kevin Foster | 622 c881 (Link to this contribution)It is interesting to hear the example of Canada; of course, there is a part of Canada called Queb...
Kevin Foster | 622 cc881-3 (Link to this contribution)I will not give way again, because I have already given way twice in the first two minutes of my ...
Natascha Engel | 622 c882 (Link to this contribution)Order. Before I call the next speaker, who will maintain the eight-minute limit, I should warn Me...
Alistair Carmichael | 622 cc882-4 (Link to this contribution)I am grateful to you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for the opportunity to take part in this debate. It c...
Geraint Davies | 622 c884 (Link to this contribution)Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that millions of these people are, in essence, not self-emplo...
Alistair Carmichael | 622 c884 (Link to this contribution)That was the point I was making about Uber and other companies that take on people as nominally s...
Rob Marris | 622 c884 (Link to this contribution)The right hon. Gentleman talked earlier about waking up tomorrow and having another look at the B...
Alistair Carmichael | 622 c885 (Link to this contribution)That brings us back to the same crux of the problem, which is that we are treating everybody with...
Natascha Engel | 622 c885 (Link to this contribution)Order. I do not think that the shadow Chancellor is aware of how loudly he is speaking. It is qui...
Alistair Carmichael | 622 c885 (Link to this contribution)I am grateful, Madam Deputy Speaker. The shadow Chancellor may not have been aware, but I was.
John McDonnell | 622 c885 (Link to this contribution)I am really sorry.
Alistair Carmichael | 622 c885 (Link to this contribution)I am an easy person to miss.
Spirits duty is being increased by 3.9%, which has already bee...
Kit Malthouse | 622 cc885-7 (Link to this contribution)I must confess that I feel as though the Chancellor has dusted off the black polo neck that he ap...
Suella Braverman | 622 c887 (Link to this contribution)Is my hon. Friend pleased that Donald Tusk’s prediction did not come true? He said in June last y...
Kit Malthouse | 622 cc887-8 (Link to this contribution)Yes. Of course, given the comparative economic situation in the EU, his words seem even more holl...
Helen Goodman | 622 cc888-9 (Link to this contribution)I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for North West Hampshire (Kit Malthouse), with whom I am h...
George Kerevan | 622 c889 (Link to this contribution)Does hon. Lady agree that one of the other things that the Chancellor failed to mention was infla...
Helen Goodman | 622 cc889-890 (Link to this contribution)Absolutely. The Chancellor said very little about Brexit, the exchange rate or inflation. Those a...
Lucy Frazer | 622 c890 (Link to this contribution)“It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the ones most...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 622 cc890-2 (Link to this contribution)I am pleased to follow the hon. and learned Member for South East Cambridgeshire (Lucy Frazer), w...
Natascha Engel | 622 c892 (Link to this contribution)Order. I am going to leave the limit at seven minutes for the next speaker, but after that it is ...
Tom Tugendhat | 622 cc892-3 (Link to this contribution)What we have here is a Budget that sets out a transformational moment in our history. As many peo...
Alison Thewliss | 622 c893 (Link to this contribution)The case the hon. Gentleman is making about attracting the brightest and the best is a good one, ...
Tom Tugendhat | 622 cc893-4 (Link to this contribution)I am not going to comment, obviously, on the individual case the hon. Lady raises, but she is abs...
Karin Smyth | 622 cc894-5 (Link to this contribution)It is an honour to follow the hon. Member for Tonbridge and Malling (Tom Tugendhat). Bristol Sout...
Suella Braverman | 622 cc895-6 (Link to this contribution)I am pleased to respond to the Budget. I welcome the Chancellor’s commitment to consolidating the...
Kit Malthouse | 622 c896 (Link to this contribution)Does my hon. Friend agree that the fact that economists and forecasters systematically underestim...
Suella Braverman | 622 cc896-7 (Link to this contribution)I agree entirely. The facts and figures and the behaviour in our economy since the referendum ref...
Chris Evans | 622 cc897-9 (Link to this contribution)I congratulate the hon. Member for Fareham (Suella Fernandes) on her speech, which summed up the ...
Andrew Selous | 622 cc899-900 (Link to this contribution)I am pleased to see the continued progress that the Government have been able to make in reducing...
Simon Danczuk | 622 cc900-1 (Link to this contribution)It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for South West Bedfordshire (Andrew Selous).
In ...
David Lammy | 622 cc901-3 (Link to this contribution)May I begin, as a former Minister with responsibility for higher education, by welcoming the Gove...
Clive Betts | 622 c902 (Link to this contribution)I want to address two issues, social care and business rates, which are related to inquiries unde...
Rob Marris | 622 c902 (Link to this contribution)It is pot luck.
Clive Betts | 622 c904 (Link to this contribution)It is completely pot luck, as my hon. Friend says. The Chancellor should not rule out a more appr...
Karin Smyth | 622 c904 (Link to this contribution)Does my hon. Friend agree that the opportunity has been missed to give us an understanding of wha...
Clive Betts | 622 cc904-5 (Link to this contribution)Absolutely. That is clearly a major problem with the system, and it needs to be addressed. I thin...
Gavin Newlands | 622 cc905-6 (Link to this contribution)It is fair to say that the Chancellor’s style is somewhat different from the bombastic approach t...
Drew Hendry | 622 cc906-7 (Link to this contribution)My hon. Friend the Member for Paisley and Renfrewshire North (Gavin Newlands) covered many key is...
Alison Thewliss | 622 c907 (Link to this contribution)My hon. Friend is highlighting the issues with universal credit in Inverness in his constituency....
Drew Hendry | 622 cc907-8 (Link to this contribution)I completely agree with my hon. Friend. The Budget could have been an opportunity to stop that ma...
Judith Cummins | 622 cc908-9 (Link to this contribution)The Budget is remarkable for what it fails to mention. I listened carefully to the Chancellor’s s...
Rob Marris | 622 c909 (Link to this contribution)Does my hon. Friend agree that the work of the police is made even more difficult by the funding ...
Judith Cummins | 622 cc909-910 (Link to this contribution)I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend.
Neighbourhood policing has arguably suffered the mo...
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