Debate on bill on Wednesday, 5 July 2023, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Stewart of Dirleton and Lord Murray of Blidworth. The answering members were Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede and Lord Coaker.

Illegal Migration Bill

Lords report stage third day. Amendment 156A agreed to on division (235 to 185). Amendment 158 agreed to. Amendment 158A agreed to on division (232 to 178). Amendments 161A, 161B, 161C, and 162A agreed to. Amendment 164 agreed to on division (232 to 169). Amendment 168 agreed to on division (188 to 158). Amendment 168A agreed to on division (186 to 131). Amendments 168C and 169 agreed to. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 157).

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 831 cc1228-1300
Session: 2022-23
Department: Home Office
Legislative stage: Report stage
Procedure: Government defeats; New clauses
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Illegal Migration Bill; Lifelong Learning (Higher Education Fee Limits) Bill; Northern Ireland (Interim Arrangements) Bill; Supported Housing (Regulatory Oversight) Bill: Sponsor Response. Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee thirty-fourth report.
Wednesday, 17 May 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords; Illegal Migration Bill. Constitution Committee sixteenth report.
Wednesday, 17 May 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords; Legislative scrutiny: Illegal Migration Bill. Joint Committee on Human Rights twelfth report.
Tuesday, 6 June 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons; Illegal Migration Bill 2022-23. As amended in Committee.
Wednesday, 14 June 2023
Bills
House of Lords; Illegal Migration Bill: Government Response. Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee thirty-seventh report.
Monday, 26 June 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords; Illegal Migration Bill 2022-23. As amended on Report.
Wednesday, 5 July 2023
Bills
House of Lords; Deposited Paper DEP2023-0625
Friday, 30 June 2023
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Bishop of Durham | 831 c1228 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
The Lord Bishop of Durham
156: Clause 56, page 58, line 25, leave out subsec...; Bishop of Durham | 831 cc1228-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 156A and 161. Due to a technicality, Amendments 156 and 1...; Viscount Hailsham | 831 c1229 (Link to this contribution)
I have been saying—and I hope to reinforce this point—that I have one anxiety. As I understand th...; Bishop of Durham | 831 c1229 (Link to this contribution)
I was about to sit down, but I will note that. I beg to move.; Lord Hope of Craighead | 831 cc1229-1231 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have two amendments in this group, which very much follow the points raised by the ri...; Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 831 cc1231-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the right reverend Prelate and the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope o...; Viscount Hailsham | 831 c1232 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak briefly in support of Amendment 156A, although I regret the limited nature...; Baroness Butler-Sloss | 831 cc1232-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I understand very well the child rights impact assessment on this issue. Naturally, the...; Baroness Neuberger | 831 c1233 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, most of what I wished to say has been said by others. I pay tribute to my noble and lea...; Lord German | 831 cc1233-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I note my interests in the register. I shall speak to the amendments in this group prop...; Baroness Meacher | 831 c1235 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that everybody wants me to sit down and not speak. I want to make just one point, takin...; Lord Coaker | 831 cc1235-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher for her last comments; I am sure all of us agr...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 831 c1237 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as we have heard, these amendments take us on to the provisions regarding age assessmen...; Viscount Hailsham | 831 c1237 (Link to this contribution)
The court will receive evidence from people who have made these assessments, and courts are well ...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 831 c1238 (Link to this contribution)
As my noble friend well knows, under a conventional judicial review challenge, the court will rev...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 831 c1238 (Link to this contribution)
I want to be absolutely clear: is the Minister accepting my amendment? I have drafted it as caref...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 831 cc1238-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am coming to the noble and learned Lord’s amendment and will answer that question in a second.<...; Bishop of Durham | 831 c1239 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his careful response. First, I note his comments, and accept his points,...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 831 cc1239-1240 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I must inform the House that if Amendment 156A is agreed, I will not be able to call Am...; Bishop of Durham | 831 c1240 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
The Lord Bishop of Durham
156A: Clause 56, page 58, line 25, leave out subse...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 831 c1240 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Murray of Blidworth
158: Clause 56, page 58, line 37, after “tribunal” ...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 831 c1240 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Hope of Craighead
158A: Clause 56, page 58, line 37, leave out from “tr...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 831 c1240 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord German, said, my amendment is really part of a package, and it ...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 831 c1240 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I cannot call Amendments 159 and 160 by reason of pre-emption.; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 831 cc1240-7 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Murray of Blidworth
161A: Clause 59, page 63, line 1, at beginning inse...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 831 c1247 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am to be brief in setting out the government amendments in this group. As the House w...; Bishop of Durham | 831 cc1247-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I again note my interests as laid out in the register. I will speak to Amendment 162. I...; Baroness Stroud | 831 cc1248-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Kirkhope and Lord Kerr, and the noble Baroness, Lady Heli...; Lord Alton of Liverpool | 831 cc1249-1251 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Stroud, and to endorse everything s...; Lord Purvis of Tweed | 831 cc1250-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is always a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Alton. He makes his case very we...; Lord Kirkhope of Harrogate | 831 cc1252-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I put my name to Amendment 164. I will speak strongly but briefly in support of my nobl...; Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 831 cc1254-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for the way he introduced the government amendments to Clause 59, b...; Baroness Butler-Sloss | 831 cc1255-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree with everything that the noble Lord, Lord Kerr, has said and I particularly sup...; Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 831 cc1256-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have just had mention made of the young woman from Tehran. I have been in touch with...; Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 831 cc1257-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the House will know that I support the direction of travel of the Bill. I have therefor...; Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 831 c1258 (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Lord agree that we are talking about admission to the system, or admissible cases?...; Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 831 c1258 (Link to this contribution)
The issue with remote admissions is that you completely lose control of the system, because it is...; Lord Alton of Liverpool | 831 c1258 (Link to this contribution)
I draw the noble Lord’s attention to proposed subsection (2) in Amendment 163, which specifically...; Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 831 c1258 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely—that is why, in my opening remarks, I said that the noble Lord’s Amendment 163 was mov...; Baroness Stroud | 831 c1258 (Link to this contribution)
It may be helpful, therefore, to clarify what is happening in Amendment 164. In January, the Gove...; Lord Lilley | 831 c1259 (Link to this contribution)
I support the idea of safe and legal routes, which are already in the Bill, but there is no way t...; Archbishop of Canterbury | 831 c1259 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords—; Lord Lilley | 831 c1259 (Link to this contribution)
May I just continue and then perhaps the most reverend Primate can ask three questions in one go?...; Archbishop of Canterbury | 831 c1259 (Link to this contribution)
I hardly know where to begin.; Lord Lilley | 831 c1259 (Link to this contribution)
By giving us a policy.; 831 c1259 (Link to this contribution)
Oh!; Archbishop of Canterbury | 831 c1259 (Link to this contribution)
If the noble Lord would wait for a second, I would be able to respond. If he were to look at the ...; Lord Lilley | 831 c1260 (Link to this contribution)
I have reread the debate on 9 December and he does not give a policy in it. I ask him to reread i...; Lord Cashman | 831 c1260 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords—; 831 c1260 (Link to this contribution)
Order!; Lord Lilley | 831 c1260 (Link to this contribution)
There are no rules of order in this House.
I therefore hope that we will stop the pretence ...; Lord Green of Deddington | 831 c1260 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it has certainly been quite a debate, has it not? I agree strongly with the noble Lords...; 831 c1261 (Link to this contribution)
Oh!; Lord Green of Deddington | 831 c1261 (Link to this contribution)
Well, that is what this amounts to.
Let the Government come forward with a viable scheme—th...; Lord Kamall | 831 cc1261-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I understand the concerns raised by my noble friend Lord Lilley and others, but I also ...; Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 831 c1262 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a wide-ranging debate on a number of issues of substance. I speak briefly...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 831 cc1262-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been an interesting debate. My noble friends Lord Hodgson and Lord Lilley and ...; Lord Purvis of Tweed | 831 c1264 (Link to this contribution)
Is the UK resettlement scheme that the Government currently operate capped?; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 831 cc1264-5 (Link to this contribution)
Presently, no, but clearly it will be subject to the cap. The problem, as the noble Lord well kno...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 831 c1265 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Murray of Blidworth
161B: Clause 59, page 63, line 1, after “authoritie...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 831 c1265 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Murray of Blidworth
162A: Clause 59, page 63, line 25, leave out from “...; Baroness Stroud | 831 cc1265-6 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness Stroud
164: After Clause 59, insert the following new Clause—; Baroness Stroud | 831 c1266 (Link to this contribution)
I wish to test the opinion of the House.; Lord Coaker | 831 c1266 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Coaker
168: After Clause 61, insert the following new Clause—
“Or...; Lord Coaker | 831 cc1266-1270 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 168 would introduce a new clause, giving:
“the National Crime Agency a ...; Lord Swire | 831 cc1270-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 168AZA stands in my name. When I first tabled this in Committee, it was suppo...; Baroness Meacher | 831 c1272 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I had not planned to speak in this debate, but I feel I must rise to support the amendm...; Baroness Fox of Buckley | 831 cc1272-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise in support of Amendment 168AZA. The noble Lord, Lord Swire, has explained why it...; Lord Garnier | 831 cc1273-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before I speak in support of my noble friend’s Amendment 168AZA, which I supported also...; Baroness Butler-Sloss | 831 c1274 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I very much support the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Swire. As has already been sa...; Lord Paddick | 831 c1274 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first, I address the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Swire. He wondered w...; Baroness Fox of Buckley | 831 c1274 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords—; Lord Paddick | 831 cc1274-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am very sorry, but on Report noble Lords are allowed to speak only once.
As the noble Lor...; Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 831 cc1275-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 168 moved by the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, seeks to confer on the National Cri...; Lord Coaker | 831 cc1278-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his thoughtful and careful response, which I appreciate. I als...; Archbishop of Canterbury | 831 cc1279-1282 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
The Archbishop of Canterbury
168A: After Clause 61, insert the following new...; Archbishop of Canterbury | 831 cc1282-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 168A, tabled in my name. I shall also speak to Amendment 168C,...; Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 831 cc1283-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the most reverend Primate and to support his amendment...; Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 831 c1284 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I too added my name to the amendment tabled by the most reverend Primate. I did so beca...; Lord Alton of Liverpool | 831 c1285 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Kennedy of The Shaws, and the noble...; Lord Horam | 831 cc1285-7 (Link to this contribution)
This is an important initiative from the most reverend Primate on this subject, for two reasons. ...; Baroness Butler-Sloss | 831 c1287 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I declare my interest on the register in relation to human trafficking. If I may respec...; Lord Waldegrave of North Hill | 831 c1287 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will say a brief word in support of the most reverend Primate and to follow my noble ...; Lord Green of Deddington | 831 cc1287-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I had intended to vote against this proposal, but I confess that I am persuaded by the ...; Baroness Lawlor | 831 c1288 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, many noble Lords have made very helpful and interesting points in this debate. Amendmen...; Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 831 cc1288-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will make a few brief remarks. Clearly, the most reverend Primate will push his amend...; Bishop of Durham | 831 c1289 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the will of the people often gets quoted—for instance, by the noble Baronesses, Lady St...; Lord German | 831 cc1289-1290 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the most reverend Primate, because this amendment gives us an opportunity to lo...; Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 831 c1290 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would like to open by addressing the speech by the noble Baroness, Lady Stowell. To s...; Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 831 c1290 (Link to this contribution)
As the noble Lord has referenced what I said, if I may, I shall respond to that point. What we ha...; 831 c1290 (Link to this contribution)
Order!; Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 831 c1290 (Link to this contribution)
I will finish this point.; Lord Davies of Gower | 831 c1290 (Link to this contribution)
Will my noble friend please ask the question?; Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 831 cc1290-1 (Link to this contribution)
I do not question the most reverend Primate’s motives in putting down this amendment. It is a sha...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 831 cc1291-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to all noble Lords, but particularly the most reverend Primate, for ...; Archbishop of Canterbury | 831 c1292 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister and to all Members of this House who have contribute...; Lord German | 831 c1292 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord German
168AB: Clause 67, page 68, line 6, leave out “(3) and” and inser...; Lord German | 831 cc1292-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in the name of my noble friend Lord Paddick, I shall say a few words about Amendment 16...; Baroness Lawlor | 831 c1296 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I oppose the amendments in this group that seek to defer the start date for deportation...; Lord Coaker | 831 cc1296-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, our approach to the Bill has always been to respect the fact that the other place has a...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 831 cc1298-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it will come as no surprise to the noble Lords, Lord German and Lord Coaker, that the G...; Lord Coaker | 831 c1299 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his response. You can understand the concern that was raised by having a...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 831 cc1299-1300 (Link to this contribution)
As I have already said, I am afraid that I cannot comment further—tempted though I am—on what the...; Lord German | 831 c1300 (Link to this contribution)
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.; Baroness Hamwee | 831 c1300 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness Hamwee
168C: Clause 67, page 68, line 13, at end insert—
“(ba...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 831 c1300 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Murray of Blidworth
169: Clause 67, page 68, line 29, leave out paragra...
Subjects: Children Appeals Asylum Detainees Deportation Age Immigration controls Undocumented migrants Human trafficking Judicial review Organised crime Refugees Rwanda English Channel National Crime Agency People smuggling Age assurance
Legislation: Illegal Migration Bill 2022-23
Link: View this Parliamentary proceeding on hansard.parliament.uk

Illegal Migration Bill

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