Debate on bill and Committee of the Whole House (HL) on Wednesday, 3 September 2025, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Hanson of Flint. The answering members were Lord Davies of Gower and Lord Cameron of Lochiel.

Border Security, Asylum and Immigration Bill

Lords committee stage fourth day. Clauses 39 and 40 agreed to. Schedule 1 agreed to. Clause 41 agreed to. (Part 2 of 2).

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 848 cc858-906
Session: 2024-26
Department: Home Office
Legislative stage: Committee stage
Procedure: New clauses
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Border Security, Asylum and Immigration Bill 2024-26. Brought from the Commons
Tuesday, 13 May 2025
Bills
House of Lords; Border Security, Asylum and Immigration Bill
Wednesday, 3 September 2025
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords; Deposited Paper DEP2025-0654
Wednesday, 3 September 2025
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House of Lords; Deposited Paper DEP2025-0690
Monday, 8 September 2025
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House of Lords; Deposited Paper DEP2025-0689
Friday, 5 September 2025
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House of Lords; Deposited Paper DEP2025-0693
Wednesday, 10 September 2025
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House of Lords; Deposited Paper DEP2025-0692
Monday, 8 September 2025
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House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Lord Davies of Gower | 848 cc858-9 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Davies of Gower
106: After Clause 38, insert the following new Clause—<...; Lord Davies of Gower | 848 cc859-861 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will also speak to Amendments 107, 108 and 111 standing in my name. They are all link...; Lord Faulks | 848 c861 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I know that the Government vigorously opposed the Rwanda Bill, and indeed the Prime Min...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 848 cc861-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Davies, supported by the noble Lord, Lord Cameron; Lord Davies of Gower | 848 c863 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not sure that the noble Lord has explained fully why the Government are removing t...; Lord Cameron of Lochiel | 848 cc863-4 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Cameron of Lochiel
110: After Clause 38, insert the following new Claus...; Lord Cameron of Lochiel | 848 cc864-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendments in this group seek to understand why the Government have decided to remo...; Lord Alton of Liverpool | 848 cc865-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I return to something I said in the earlier groups of amendments. The country that is a...; Baroness Brinton | 848 cc867-8 (Link to this contribution)
It is an honour to follow the noble Lord, Lord Alton, and his detailed introduction to Amendment ...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 848 cc868-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Cameron, for his introduction to Amendments 120 and 110, wh...; Lord Faulks | 848 c869 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister sits down, I understand exactly what he said about the list, but how does a t...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 848 c869 (Link to this contribution)
I have said to the Committee previously that that has to be examined on an individual basis. The ...; Lord Faulks | 848 c869 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to pursue the point, but it seems to be quite important. Therefore, does an individual...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 848 c869 (Link to this contribution)
It is fair and reasonable for a tribunal to look at those representations accordingly. In this le...; Lord Cameron of Lochiel | 848 cc869-870 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. Of course, the Minister is ...; Baroness Hamwee | 848 c870 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord, but perhaps I may raise a point which he has referred to ...; Lord Alton of Liverpool | 848 c870 (Link to this contribution)
I am very happy to butt in and to say that was exactly the point I wanted to make. The noble Lord...; Lord Cameron of Lochiel | 848 cc870-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Baroness and the noble Lord for their interventions. “In general” is a...; Lord Davies of Gower | 848 c871 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Davies of Gower
114: After Clause 38, insert the following new Clause—<...; Lord Davies of Gower | 848 cc871-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we all agree that our system must be fair, and that there must be opportunities for pro...; Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 848 cc873-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendments on age assessments moved by my noble friend Lord Davies of Gow...; Baroness Butler-Sloss | 848 c875 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak very briefly, before the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, because I am unh...; Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 848 c875 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble and learned Baroness sits down, if I may, for the avoidance of doubt, I was not ...; Baroness Butler-Sloss | 848 c875 (Link to this contribution)
I am very interested in what the noble Lord, Lord Jackson of Peterborough, says, because he did t...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 848 cc875-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I had better rise at this stage to introduce my Amendment 203H. As with my last amendme...; Baroness Brinton | 848 c877 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to both noble Lords, Lord Murray and Lord Jackson, for thinking that...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 848 c877 (Link to this contribution)
Forgive me for intervening. I should clarify that the National Age Assessment Board is not using ...; Baroness Brinton | 848 cc877-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful for the noble Lord’s intervention. One of the problems is that social workers ...; Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 848 c879 (Link to this contribution)
I absolutely applaud the laudable work of UNICEF. The point that I was attempting to make was tha...; Baroness Brinton | 848 c879 (Link to this contribution)
The problem is that Amendment 114 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Davies of Gower, says there...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 848 c879 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure the noble Baroness will agree that she is balancing two things here. First, a problem a...; Baroness Brinton | 848 c879 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the noble Lord for his intervention. I have argued before to him, and I say...; Baroness Butler-Sloss | 848 c880 (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Baroness have any figures for the number of young people whose ages are in dispute...; Baroness Brinton | 848 c880 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the noble and learned Baroness and say again to the Minister, who will prob...; Baroness Lawlor | 848 c880 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendments of my noble friends Lord Davies of Gower and Lord Murray. They...; Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 848 cc880-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I concur with the noble Baroness’s point about proceedings lasting for ever, but one mu...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 848 c881 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord Kerr, is of course right to remember those happy exchanges. I draw his atten...; Baroness Hamwee | 848 c881 (Link to this contribution)
There was discussion about consent, because a child cannot consent. I do not know whether the nob...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 848 cc881-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful—again—for the amendments which have elicited this discussion. I want to put a centr...; Lord Murray of Blidworth | 848 c883 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the Minister for his thoughts on that. That is the whole point. The thrust ...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 848 cc883-4 (Link to this contribution)
I think we are going to have an honest disagreement on this amendment. I am grateful for the thou...; Baroness Brinton | 848 c884 (Link to this contribution)
Is there a plan to publish this in annual form at some point in the future? We need that data.; Lord Hanson of Flint | 848 c884 (Link to this contribution)
I have heard what the noble Baroness said. I will reflect on that point. I give way to the noble ...; Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 848 c884 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister anticipated my point, and the noble Baroness put it much more clearly. I was going t...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 848 c884 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for our agreement on the answering of the question and I retain my position. I hope...; Lord Davies of Gower | 848 cc884-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for the contributions from noble Lords. That was an informative if not in...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 848 c885 (Link to this contribution)
I do not want to break the noble Lord’s chain of thought, but information has just been supplied ...; Lord Davies of Gower | 848 c885 (Link to this contribution)
The Government should either reintroduce these provisions or make it clear to this House here and...; Lord German | 848 c885 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord German
116: After Clause 39, insert the following new Clause—
“Re...; Lord German | 848 cc885-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 116 and 118 in my name. This is a bit of a reversal, because...; Lord Cameron of Lochiel | 848 c887 (Link to this contribution)
The amendments in this group do not require a great deal of commentary from this side of the Hous...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 848 c887 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord for his detailed questions. At 10.19 pm, it is a great test of st...; Lord German | 848 c887 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister. As I said at the beginning, it would be very helpful to have it in writing ...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 848 cc887-890 (Link to this contribution)
I have before me in my notes a full encyclopaedia of responses to the many points the noble Lord ...; Lord German | 848 c890 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that. That is exactly what we were hoping for from this amendment: to un...; Lord German | 848 c890 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord German
119: After Clause 40, insert the following new Clause—
“A ...; Lord German | 848 cc890-1 (Link to this contribution)
I will be as brief as I possibly can, given the hour. What is important in this amendment is to t...; Baroness Hamwee | 848 cc891-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have added my name to my noble friend’s amendment. I was not proposing to speak to it...; Lord Davies of Gower | 848 cc892-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we on these Benches agree to a degree with the noble Lord, Lord German, and the noble B...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 848 cc893-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Liberal Democrat and His Majesty’s loyal Opposition Front Benches for their ...; Baroness Hamwee | 848 c895 (Link to this contribution)
They have been entitled to receive the transcript; the problem is that people are not told that t...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 848 cc895-6 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that we can agree that we will examine Hansard tomorrow to determine the information requi...; Lord German | 848 c896 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think I heard the Minister say on the service standard that he would take that into c...; Lord Cameron of Lochiel | 848 c896 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Cameron of Lochiel
121: Schedule 1, page 67, line 7, leave out paragrap...; Lord Cameron of Lochiel | 848 cc896-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is a busy group of, essentially, probing amendments around the subject of immigrat...; Baroness Hamwee | 848 c897 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have Amendments 128 and 129. This issue was brought to our attention by the Immigrati...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 848 cc897-900 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful again, as ever, to His Majesty’s loyal Opposition and to the noble Baroness, Lady H...; Baroness Hamwee | 848 c899 (Link to this contribution)
Is the Minister saying that there is to be an exercise of averaging out the fees, so that we are ...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 848 c899 (Link to this contribution)
I will give a one-word answer, which I hope will be helpful. Yes.; Lord Cameron of Lochiel | 848 c899 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for comprehensively explaining the Government’s position ...; Lord German | 848 c901 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord German
131: Clause 41, page 36, line 8, leave out subsection (17); Lord German | 848 cc901-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in moving Amendment 131, I will also speak to Amendments 132 to 135 and Amendment 210 i...; Lord Davies of Gower | 848 cc903-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall make my remarks as brief as possible. We on this side of the House oppose Amend...; Lord Hanson of Flint | 848 cc904-6 (Link to this contribution)
What a note to finish the evening on. I find myself in agreement with the tone of the noble Lord,...; Lord German | 848 c906 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am obviously disappointed that the evidence produced by the inspectorate and many oth...
Subjects: Children Appeals Asylum Detainees Deportation Advisory services Accommodation centres Fees and charges Human rights Undocumented migrants Fines Standards Refugees Office of the Immigration Services Commissioner Age assurance
Legislation: Border Security, Asylum and Immigration Bill 2024-26; Nationality and Borders Act 2022; Illegal Migration Act 2023
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Border Security, Asylum and Immigration Bill

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