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To ask Her Majesty’s Government what plans they have to remove international students from the headline immigration figures.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what plans they have to remove international students from the headline immigration figures.
My Lords, the Government publish immigration statistics broken down by category. The number of student immigrants may therefore be easily distinguished from other migrants. The independent Office for National Statistics’ net migration statistics include students, and the Government have no plans to remove them. This makes no difference to the policy, which is that there is no cap and genuine international students are welcome.
My Lords, the Government publish immigration statistics broken down by category. The number of student immigrants may therefore be easily distinguished from other migrants. The independent Office for National Statistics’ net migration statistics include students, and the Government have no plans to remove them. This makes no difference to the policy, which is that there is no cap and genuine international students are welcome.
My Lords, the Government publish immigration statistics broken down by category. The number of student immigrants may therefore be easily distinguished from other migrants. The independent Office for National Statistics’ net migration statistics include students, and the Government have no plans to remove them. This makes no difference to the policy, which is that there is no cap and genuine international students are welcome.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what plans they have to remove international students from the headline immigration figures.
I think that the whole House will agree with those sentiments. It is certainly the Government’s policy, and I hope that it will be possible to persuade universities and Universities UK to take this opportunity to improve our position as the second provider of higher education to the world student population. This is a great opportunity for us, and we need to be united in sending that message.
I think that the whole House will agree with those sentiments. It is certainly the Government’s policy, and I hope that it will be possible to persuade universities and Universities UK to take this opportunity to improve our position as the second provider of higher education to the world student population. This is a great opportunity for us, and we need to be united in sending that message.
My Lords, the message must be clear to international students: we want you and we welcome you. Can my noble friend the Minister assure the House that the Government are doing everything to ensure that, when it comes to global higher education, the brightest and the best choose Britain?
The noble Lord will know that there is no cap on numbers. We welcome the brightest and the best, and I wish that noble Lords would take that on board and persuade those universities
where they have responsibility that this is the Government’s policy. If I may say to the noble Lord, visa applications from students sponsored by universities increased by 7% in 2013, and applications from students going to Russell group universities rose by 11%. That is not an industry that is suffering as a result of government policy; it is an industry that is taking advantage of government policy to show what a good offer we have for students.
The noble Lord will know that there is no cap on numbers. We welcome the brightest and the best, and I wish that noble Lords would take that on board and persuade those universities
where they have responsibility that this is the Government’s policy. If I may say to the noble Lord, visa applications from students sponsored by universities increased by 7% in 2013, and applications from students going to Russell group universities rose by 11%. That is not an industry that is suffering as a result of government policy; it is an industry that is taking advantage of government policy to show what a good offer we have for students.
My Lords, do the Government fully understand the damage that is being done? I speak as chancellor of the University of Leeds. I refer not only to the damage in fees, which is well over £1 million or £1.5 million—a lot to any university—but to the fact that we are excluding more than 23% of people from China and India. Does the Minister understand the value of those contacts, their value to our future negotiations, prosperity and culture and the lessening of value of our academic status in the world by this policy?
My Lords, I must correct my noble friend on a matter of fact in that all our major competitors, including the US and Australia, count students as migrants. I hope I may explain why that is the case. In 2013, 115,000 people who came to the UK as students extended their stay—70,000 or so, or 62%, for further study and 38,000 for work. The Tier 4 system offers flexibility to allow these high-value individuals to extend their visa. However, not to include them as immigrants is against the practice in other competitor countries and is against our interests in making sure that we know who is here, why they are here and what they are doing when they are here.
My Lords, I must correct my noble friend on a matter of fact in that all our major competitors, including the US and Australia, count students as migrants. I hope I may explain why that is the case. In 2013, 115,000 people who came to the UK as students extended their stay—70,000 or so, or 62%, for further study and 38,000 for work. The Tier 4 system offers flexibility to allow these high-value individuals to extend their visa. However, not to include them as immigrants is against the practice in other competitor countries and is against our interests in making sure that we know who is here, why they are here and what they are doing when they are here.
My Lords, I warmly welcome the Government’s wish to make it clear that overseas students are extremely welcome. However, I have two questions for the Minister. First, why do we need to continue to include international students in our overall immigration figures when Canada, Australia, the United States and our other major rivals see no need to do that given that these are not migrants but visitors who will return home? Secondly, what is the effect of a reduction in overseas students on our crucial STEM courses—that is, courses on science, technology, engineering and computing—as many of those courses are at risk if they do not retain, and increase, the present proportion of overseas students?
I have to make it clear that we treat them as immigrants for statistical purposes. The point of my argument is that students come here not just for six months or so but to pursue a course of study and, following that course of study, they go on to do other things. We delude ourselves if we think this is an alternative track that we can separate out from migration in general. The point I have made is that it makes no difference to our policy position, which is that the brightest and best should come here. I did not answer my noble friend’s question on STEM. Of course, STEM subjects are important. That is why STEM students from China went up by 7%, those from Malaysia by 1% and those from Hong Kong by 20% between 2011 and 2013. We are at one on this and I wish that noble Lords would accept the Government’s good faith in that regard.
I have to make it clear that we treat them as immigrants for statistical purposes. The point of my argument is that students come here not just for six months or so but to pursue a course of study and, following that course of study, they go on to do other things. We delude ourselves if we think this is an alternative track that we can separate out from migration in general. The point I have made is that it makes no difference to our policy position, which is that the brightest and best should come here. I did not answer my noble friend’s question on STEM. Of course, STEM subjects are important. That is why STEM students from China went up by 7%, those from Malaysia by 1% and those from Hong Kong by 20% between 2011 and 2013. We are at one on this and I wish that noble Lords would accept the Government’s good faith in that regard.
My Lords, does the Minister recognise that this is not a problem of statistics or the presentation of statistics? I entirely agree with his very welcome statement of the Government’s intentions but will he add just a few words—that in future the Government do not intend to treat students as immigrants for public policy purposes?
Yes, my Lords. As my noble friend will know, institutions which were guilty of that practice are no longer able to sponsor students. I accept that universities are acting in good faith in conducting their responsibilities in this regard. All I am saying is that the Government’s position is that we want to back them in making sure that we tell the world what a good offer we have in this country for students.
Yes, my Lords. As my noble friend will know, institutions which were guilty of that practice are no longer able to sponsor students. I accept that universities are acting in good faith in conducting their responsibilities in this regard. All I am saying is that the Government’s position is that we want to back them in making sure that we tell the world what a good offer we have in this country for students.
My Lords, will my noble friend assure the House with regard to a major problem that we all experienced in the House of Commons for many years of students signing up to study at not very reputable places and then disappearing? Is that problem over?
I do not think that the noble Lord would have any doubts as to my good faith in this matter, and I am sure that that is true of most noble Lords because it is not the first time that we have discussed this issue. Indeed, it has been a theme over the past 12 months since the committee reported to the House. I am anxious to join noble Lords who have responsibility within universities in making it clear that the Home Office policy is not about making it difficult for these people to be here; it is about facilitating their studies and encouraging them to do so. As the noble Lord will know, during the passage of the Immigration Bill through this House we debated this very issue and I said that I hoped to meet Universities UK to talk about it, and that remains my intention.
I do not think that the noble Lord would have any doubts as to my good faith in this matter, and I am sure that that is true of most noble Lords because it is not the first time that we have discussed this issue. Indeed, it has been a theme over the past 12 months since the committee reported to the House. I am anxious to join noble Lords who have responsibility within universities in making it clear that the Home Office policy is not about making it difficult for these people to be here; it is about facilitating their studies and encouraging them to do so. As the noble Lord will know, during the passage of the Immigration Bill through this House we debated this very issue and I said that I hoped to meet Universities UK to talk about it, and that remains my intention.
Is not the problem that the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills is actively trying to make sure that many students come here but the Home Office is doing its best to make sure that they do not get in? This has been exemplified by the warm words said by the Minister today, which are simply not believed in many of the places that traditionally have sent students here. What is he going to do to go on the front foot and get out there and persuade people that Britain is indeed open for business and that our education system is something that they should be joining?
To ask Her Majesty’s Government , further to the Written Answer by Lord Taylor of Holbeach on 24 July (WA 208), whether arriving Intra-Company Transfer (ICT) workers and their dependants are counted within the net migration statistics; how many ICT workers and their dependants arrived in the United Kingdom in...
To ask Her Majesty’s Government , further to the Written Answer by Lord Taylor of Holbeach on 24 July (WA 208), whether arriving Intra-Company Transfer (ICT) workers and their dependants are counted within the net migration statistics; how many ICT workers and their dependants arrived in the United Kingdom in...
The net migration statistics are compiled by the Office for National Statistics based largely on the International Passenger Survey (IPS) and are not based on the type of visa held (where applicable) by an individual. ONS use the UN recommended definition of a long-term international migrant. That is someone who changes his or her country of usual residence for a period of at least a year, so that the country of destination effectively becomes the country of usual residence. This is the definition used to calculate net migration, and is also used for the UK usually resident population estimate series. Further information about the ONS data is provided in “Long-term International Migration: frequently asked questions” at: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/method-quality/specific/population-and-migration/international-migration-methodology/long-term international- migration-frequently-asked-questions.pdf
The latest available information for passenger arrivals for Intra-Company Transfer workers is given in the table below. The available information does not separately identify Intra-Company Transfer workers' dependants. Corresponding information for Q3 (July-September) 2012 and 04 (October-December) 2012 is planned to be published on 29 August 2013.
| Skilled
work (Tier 2) passenger arrivals
(1)(2) | |||||||
| Type
of
applicant | Category | 2011 Q1 | 2011 Q2 | 2011 Q3 | 2011 Q4 | 2012 Q1 | Number
of journeys 2012
Q2 |
| Main | Total | 8,640 | 8,350 | 9,430 | 7,280 | 8,890 | 9,140 |
| Dependant | Total | 4,530 | 5,330 | 5,910 | 4,090 | 4,220 | 5,290 |
| of
which | |||||||
| Main | Tier
2 -
General | 2,430 | 2,440 | 2,980 | 2,250 | 2,680 | 3,070 |
| Main | Tier
2 - Intra Company
Transfer | 5,790 | 5,480 | 6,000 | 4,640 | 5,790 | 5,650 |
| Main | Tier
2 - Minister of
Religion | 115 | 95 | 135 | 115 | 155 | 140 |
| Main | Tier
2 -
Sportsperson | 305 | 340 | 320 | 270 | 270 | 280 |
Notes
(1) Passengers given leave to enter the United Kingdom, excluding EEA and Swiss nationals
(2) Data may not sum to totals due to rounding
Source: Immigration Statistics January-March, table ad_02_q
The latest Home Office immigration statistics on passenger arrivals are published in the release Immigration Statistics January-March, which is available from the library of the House and on the Department’s website at: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/ immigration-statistics¬january-to-march-2013
There are four sub-categories of Tier two (Intra Company Transfer): Long-term staff; Short-term staff; Graduate trainee, and Skills transfer. The time limits placed on these sub-categories vary.
Currently, Tier 2 (Intra Company Transfer) long-term staff are given an initial grant of leave to cover the period of engagement plus one month or three years plus one month, whichever is the shorter. They may then apply for further leave to remain and may be given leave to cover the period of engagement plus one month, or two years plus one month, or the period required to take the applicant’s total stay in the UK to the maximum time allowed, whichever is the shorter. The maximum time allowed varies depending on their earnings. Those earning less than £152,100 are limited to a maximum stay in the UK of five years. Those earning £152,100 or more are limited to a maximum of nine years.
Applicants in the short-term staff and graduate trainee sub-categories are given an initial grant of leave to cover the period of engagement plus one month or 12 months, whichever is the shorter. They may then apply for further leave to remain and may be given grants of leave to cover the period of engagement plus 14 days or the period required to take the applicant’s total stay in the UK to 12 months, whichever is shorter. 12 months is the maximum period of stay allowed in these subcategories.
Applicants in the skills transfer sub-category are given an initial grant of leave to cover the period of engagement plus one month or six months, whichever is the shorter. They may then apply for further leave to remain and may be given grants of leave to cover the period of engagement plus 14 days or the period required to take the applicant’s total stay in the UK to six months, whichever is shorter. Six months is the maximum period of stay allowed in these subcategories.
Dependants of Intra Company Transfer migrants are granted leave in line with the person whom they are the dependent of.
Tier 2 (Intra Company Transfer) migrants who arrived in the UK having been granted Entry Clearance under the Immigration Rules from 6 April 2010 cannot apply for indefinite leave to remain under the Points-Based System.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what assessment they have made of the implications for the police service of HM Inspectorate of Constabulary's report into crime reporting figures at Kent Police.[HL981]
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what assessment they have made of the implications for the police service of HM Inspectorate of Constabulary's report into crime reporting figures at Kent Police.[HL981]
The recorded crime statistics and the independent Crime Survey show that crime is falling across the country. It is vital that people have trust in crime statistics, which is why we took them out of the hands of politicians and made them the responsibility of the Office for National Statistics. Victims have the right to expect that forces are recording crimes in compliance with national recording standards.
The findings of this investigation show the importance of elected police and crime commissioners who can hold the police to account and challenge performance based on the evidence presented to them. The public has the right to expect the very highest standards from its police officers, which is why we have made the police inspectorate more independent and created a new College of Policing to ensure those standards are raised and maintained across the board.
Her Majesty's Inspectorate Constabulary's inspection programme for 2013/14 includes a wider review on crime data integrity, which will provide information in relation to all other forces in England and Wales.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government, further to the Written Answer by Lord Taylor of Holbeach on 14 March (WA 94) whether they will publish annually the number of immigrants sponsored by each of the sponsoring employers registered under tiers 2 and 5 of the points-based system; whether such figures are...
To ask Her Majesty’s Government, further to the Written Answer by Lord Taylor of Holbeach on 14 March (WA 94) whether they will publish annually the number of immigrants sponsored by each of the sponsoring employers registered under tiers 2 and 5 of the points-based system; whether such figures are...
There are currently no plans to publish data relating to individual sponsoring employers. However, quarterly statistics are kept under review, taking into account the needs of users and burdens on suppliers and producers, in line with the
Code of Practice for Official Statistics. There was a total of 26,179 employers on the tier 2 and tier 5 register on 2 January 2013.
The numbers of certificates of sponsorship used to support an entry clearance or extension of stay application for the last three years are shown in the table below.
| Applications
from outside the UK for entry clearance visas for work, using
certificates of sponsorship from
employers | |||
| 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | |
| *Total | 79,027 | 77,740 | 81,036 |
| of
which | |||
| Tier
2 | 42,433 | 39,508 | 40,740 |
| Tier
5 | 36,594 | 38,232 | 40,296 |
| Applications
from within the UK for extensions of stay for work using certificates
of sponsorship from
employers | |||
| 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | |
| *Total | 20,931 | 18,065 | 28,212 |
| of
which | |||
| Tier
2 | 20,621 | 17,744 | 27,815 |
| Tier
5 | 310 | 321 | 397 |
Note: individuals may be counted more than once e.g. if they are sponsored for an entry clearance visa and subsequently sponsored for an extension, or if they are sponsored on more than one occasion
Source: Immigration Statistics October to December 2012 tables cs.02 and cs.03
Lords question for short debate on what is their assessment of the response of United Kingdom police forces to performance indicator management with particular reference to the reliability of published United Kingdom crime figures.
Lords question for short debate on what is their assessment of the response of United Kingdom police forces to performance indicator management with particular reference to the reliability of published United Kingdom crime figures.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government when the UK Border Agency reports statistics on deportation and removal of (1) foreign criminals, and (2) failed asylum seekers; how they define this status; and on what evidence the status is based.[HL2645]
To ask Her Majesty’s Government when the UK Border Agency reports statistics on deportation and removal of (1) foreign criminals, and (2) failed asylum seekers; how they define this status; and on what evidence the status is based.[HL2645]
Figures on removals are published on an annual and quarterly basis and include a user guide that provides information on definitions used, how figures were compiled, data quality and issues arising from figures being based on data sourced from an administrative database.
The latest figures on foreign national offenders are available in Table “rv.07.q”, while the latest figures of asylum removals are available in Tables “rv.01” and “rv.01.q” of the release Immigration Statistics, April to June 2012 Second edition. Both this release and the user guide are available from the Library of the House and from the Home Office Science website at: http://www. homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/immigration-asylum-research/immigration-q2-2012/.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what plans National Statistics have, in compiling their geographical analyses of the balance of payments current account, to record as the country-of-ultimate-destination (in respect of credits) the end-destination of such credits rather than the country of first consignment, and as the country-of-origin (in respect of...
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what plans National Statistics have, in compiling their geographical analyses of the balance of payments current account, to record as the country-of-ultimate-destination (in respect of credits) the end-destination of such credits rather than the country of first consignment, and as the country-of-origin (in respect of...
To ask Her Majesty’s Government, further to the Written Answer by Lord Taylor of Holbeach on 23 June (WA 336), what research and data collection does the Cabinet Office undertake.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government, further to the Written Answer by Lord Taylor of Holbeach on 23 June (WA 336), what research and data collection does the Cabinet Office undertake.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what research and data collection the Prime Minister has (a) initiated, (b) terminated, and (c) amended, since 12 May 2010.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what research and data collection the Prime Minister has (a) initiated, (b) terminated, and (c) amended, since 12 May 2010.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what research and data collection the Cabinet Office has (a) initiated, (b) terminated, and (c) amended, since 12 May 2010.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what research and data collection the Cabinet Office has (a) initiated, (b) terminated, and (c) amended, since 12 May 2010.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what research and data collection the Minister without Portfolio in the Cabinet Office has (a) initiated, (b) terminated, and (c) amended, since 12 May 2010.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what research and data collection the Minister without Portfolio in the Cabinet Office has (a) initiated, (b) terminated, and (c) amended, since 12 May 2010.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what plans they have to replace the International Passenger Survey with an immigration accounting mechanism, as recommended in the 13th Special Report of 2007–08 of the House of Commons Treasury Select Committee, published on 18 September 2008.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government what plans they have to replace the International Passenger Survey with an immigration accounting mechanism, as recommended in the 13th Special Report of 2007–08 of the House of Commons Treasury Select Committee, published on 18 September 2008.
To ask Her Majesty’s Government, further to the Written Answer by Lord Taylor of Holbeach on 23 November (WA 293), what was the cost of collecting and publishing socioeconomic data on the Senior Civil Service and new entrants thereto; what was the estimated cost of monitoring fast stream entrants from...
To ask Her Majesty’s Government, further to the Written Answer by Lord Taylor of Holbeach on 23 November (WA 293), what was the cost of collecting and publishing socioeconomic data on the Senior Civil Service and new entrants thereto; what was the estimated cost of monitoring fast stream entrants from...