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Westminster Hall adjournment debate on the firearms evidence in the case of Paul Cleeland.

Lead member
Damian Collins
Answering member
Baroness Featherstone
Department
Home Office
Type
Adjournment debates
Date
20 December 2011
Reference
537 c438-45WH
House
House of Commons

Hansard will do it for me, but I am happy to write to my hon. Friend on those particular points that he has raised.

Member
Baroness Featherstone (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 December 2011
Reference
537 c445WH
House
House of Commons

I am more than happy to write to my hon. Friend following our search; I do not know about Hertfordshire police's search. We will do whatever we can. I cannot go ahead of that, before we understand whether we have it, but I am happy to write to my hon....

Member
Baroness Featherstone (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 December 2011
Reference
537 c445WH
House
House of Commons

I appreciate that the Minister is drawing to her conclusion. Would it be possible for her to write to me, following the debate, on the points that she has raised about the review of the test, the location of the Boothby report and whether that can be made available, so...

Member
Damian Collins (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 December 2011
Reference
537 c445WH
House
House of Commons

It was brought to my officials' attention yesterday that the issue would be raised. The whereabouts of the report was discussed with the Hertfordshire police. We understand from them that Mr Cleeland's solicitor has requested the report and that they are trying to locate a copy so that they can...

Member
Baroness Featherstone (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 December 2011
Reference
537 c444-5WH
House
House of Commons

The Minister said that both Hertfordshire police and the Home Office will try to locate a copy of the Boothby report and see if that can be made available to Mr Cleeland. I would appreciate it if the Minister could write to me following the search for the report to...

Member
Damian Collins (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 December 2011
Reference
537 c445WH
House
House of Commons

Am I misunderstanding my hon. Friend?

Member
Baroness Featherstone (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 December 2011
Reference
537 c445WH
House
House of Commons

Mr Cleeland has confirmed to me that they do not have possession of the report. They never have had possession of it, despite what was said at the Court of Appeal. Certainly the report is not in his hands at all. Therefore if the Minister could deliver that report—make it...

Member
Damian Collins (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 December 2011
Reference
537 c444WH
House
House of Commons

My concern is that there was knowledge of the limitations of the test, yet evidence was presented from it in a court that suggested that there was no ambiguity at all and that it could be safely relied upon, whereas academic papers that were in the possession of the Metropolitan...

Member
Damian Collins (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 December 2011
Reference
537 c444WH
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend is saying that since the relevant time, new evidence has come to light that casts doubt on all this, and has requested a review. What I can offer is this. I can ask the forensic science regulator, Andrew Rennison, to consider this type of evidence. I cannot...

Member
Baroness Featherstone (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 December 2011
Reference
537 c444WH
House
House of Commons

Indeed, but I notice that in terms of the specific case, the forensic test was one of the 20 grounds of appeal considered by the Court of Appeal in 2002, when Mr Cleeland's conviction was upheld. The understanding was that electron microscopic testing had not then been developed within the...

Member
Baroness Featherstone (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 December 2011
Reference
537 c444WH
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way again; she is being very generous. What I said was not that the test is unsound for detecting the presence of lead, but that it is not a safe test for detecting firearms residue.

Member
Damian Collins (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 December 2011
Reference
537 c444WH
House
House of Commons

On the case itself, I would then make this suggestion—I am not able to give legal advice; I am not a lawyer in any sense. I would have thought that if there is new evidence, the Criminal Cases Review Commission is the body that should seek another judicial stage, if...

Member
Baroness Featherstone (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 December 2011
Reference
537 c443-4WH
House
House of Commons

As I said in my speech, the Metropolitan police manual for 1980 has come to light only recently and subsequent to some of the appeals; and, indeed, the evidence that I have obtained via the Home Office, which cites academic papers dating back to the 1960s, has not previously been...

Member
Damian Collins (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 December 2011
Reference
537 c443WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to stand before you this afternoon, Mr Hollobone. In case I forget, I wish you a merry Christmas now. Let me turn to the serious nature of the case in front of us. First, I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Folkestone and Hythe (Damian...

Member
Baroness Featherstone (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 December 2011
Reference
537 c442-3WH
House
House of Commons

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Hollobone. I applied for this debate because a constituent has brought to my attention a case in which forensic evidence that was presented to achieve his conviction for murder has been proven to be unreliable. That constituent is Mr Paul...

Member
Damian Collins (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
20 December 2011
Reference
537 c438-42WH
House
House of Commons

Letter dated 12/12/2011 from Lord McNally to Baroness Thomas of Winchester regarding Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill 2010-12. 4 docs.

Deposited by
Ministry of Justice
Type
Deposited papers
Date
12 December 2011
Reference
DEP2011-2089
House
House of Lords

Dear Colleague letter dated 12/12/2011 from Lord McNally regarding LAPSO Bill: response to Second Reading. Incl. annex. 16 p.

Deposited by
Ministry of Justice
Type
Deposited papers
Date
12 December 2011
Reference
DEP2011-2047
House
House of Lords

My right honourable friend the Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice (Kenneth Clarke) has made the following Written Ministerial Statement. The Government set out their intention to introduce competition for the procurement of legally aided services in Proposals for the Reform of Legal Aid in England and Wales...

Member
Lord McNally (Liberal Democrat)
Department
Ministry of Justice
Type
Written statements
Date
1 December 2011
Reference
733 c32-3WS
House
House of Lords

The Government set out their intention to introduce competition for the procurement of legally aided services in ““Proposals for the Reform of Legal Aid in England and Wales”” (November 2010). The consultation paper stated that the immediate focus would be on criminal legal aid, with civil and family legal aid...

Member
Lord Clarke of Nottingham (Conservative)
Department
Ministry of Justice
Type
Written statements
Date
1 December 2011
Reference
536 c74-5WS
House
House of Commons