My Lords, I ought to briefly point out two problems with Commons Amendment No. 70A which we are about to accept. First, subsection (3) allows huge capacity for creative accounting, because the cost of issuing passports is not there. It would therefore be easy to offload a lot of the costs of...

My Lords, I ought to briefly point out two problems with Commons Amendment No. 70A which we are about to accept. First, subsection (3) allows huge capacity for creative accounting, because the cost of issuing passports is not there. It would therefore be easy to offload a lot of the costs of...

My Lords, for clarity, we also accept the Government’s Motion. On Question, Motion agreed to. Motion C 4 Clause 1, page 2, line 3, leave out ““securing the efficient and effective provision of”” and insert ““preventing illegal or fraudulent access to”” The Commons disagree to this amendment for the following reason: 4A Because...

My Lords, for clarity, we also accept the Government’s Motion. On Question, Motion agreed to. Motion C 4 Clause 1, page 2, line 3, leave out ““securing the efficient and effective provision of”” and insert ““preventing illegal or fraudulent access to”” The Commons disagree to this amendment for the following reason: 4A Because...

My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendment 4, to which the Commons have disagreed for their Reason No. 4A. Amendment No. 4 limited the public interest test as defined in Clause 1(4), in so far as public services go to preventing illegal or fraudulent access to public services....

My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendment 4, to which the Commons have disagreed for their Reason No. 4A. Amendment No. 4 limited the public interest test as defined in Clause 1(4), in so far as public services go to preventing illegal or fraudulent access to public services....

My Lords, my amendment has been replaced by the words shown on the paper. I am happy to accept the revised wording, which achieves precisely the purpose intended by my own amendment.

My Lords, my amendment has been replaced by the words shown on the paper. I am happy to accept the revised wording, which achieves precisely the purpose intended by my own amendment.

My Lords, it is a notable achievement by the House that we have made this much progress. As a result of our amendment being sent to the other place, there was a long and major debate there on the issue of costs, which had not happened before. A great deal...

My Lords, it is a notable achievement by the House that we have made this much progress. As a result of our amendment being sent to the other place, there was a long and major debate there on the issue of costs, which had not happened before. A great deal...

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell, is absolutely right to praise the work that this House did on the Bill in relation to costs. There was a great deal of criticism from the Front Bench that this House should spend so much time drawing attention to the possibility that the...

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell, is absolutely right to praise the work that this House did on the Bill in relation to costs. There was a great deal of criticism from the Front Bench that this House should spend so much time drawing attention to the possibility that the...

My Lords, I spoke and voted for your Lordships’ amendment when it was previously before the House. I remain sceptical about the costs, whether estimated by the London School of Economics or by the Government. Taking an estimate of costs over 10 years and dividing by 10 to arrive at an annual cost is, to put...

My Lords, I spoke and voted for your Lordships’ amendment when it was previously before the House. I remain sceptical about the costs, whether estimated by the London School of Economics or by the Government. Taking an estimate of costs over 10 years and dividing by 10 to arrive at an annual cost is, to put...

My Lords, I am grateful for the comments of the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay of St Johns, and indications given by the noble Lord, Lord Phillips of Sudbury. I am pleased that we have been able to give a modicum of pleasure to the noble Lords, Lord Crickhowell and Lord Stoddart of Swindon. Even my noble...

My Lords, I am grateful for the comments of the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay of St Johns, and indications given by the noble Lord, Lord Phillips of Sudbury. I am pleased that we have been able to give a modicum of pleasure to the noble Lords, Lord Crickhowell and Lord Stoddart of Swindon. Even my noble...

My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendment No. 3 and do agree to Amendment No. 3A proposed by the Commons in lieu thereof. Lords Amendment No. 3 inserted into Clause 1(3)(b) the proposition that the methods by which registrable facts are recorded and stored must be secure and reliable....

My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendment No. 3 and do agree to Amendment No. 3A proposed by the Commons in lieu thereof. Lords Amendment No. 3 inserted into Clause 1(3)(b) the proposition that the methods by which registrable facts are recorded and stored must be secure and reliable....

My Lords, I associate myself with everything that the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, has said.

My Lords, I associate myself with everything that the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, has said.

My Lords, I beg to move that the Commons amendments and reasons be now considered. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to."      COMMONS AMENDMENTS AND REASONS" [The page and line references are to Bill 28 as first printed for the Lords.] Motion A 1 Clause 1, page 1, line 3, at beginning insert ““Subject to section (Commencement:...

My Lords, I beg to move that the Commons amendments and reasons be now considered. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to."      COMMONS AMENDMENTS AND REASONS" [The page and line references are to Bill 28 as first printed for the Lords.] Motion A 1 Clause 1, page 1, line 3, at beginning insert ““Subject to section (Commencement:...

My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendments Nos. 1, 68, 69 and 70 and do agree to Amendment No. 70A proposed by the Commons in lieu of those amendments. I should say, yet again, that we have already published the expected costs of issuing identity cards. The current...

My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendments Nos. 1, 68, 69 and 70 and do agree to Amendment No. 70A proposed by the Commons in lieu of those amendments. I should say, yet again, that we have already published the expected costs of issuing identity cards. The current...

My Lords, I should make it clear from the very beginning that I do not oppose the Government’s Motion A, and on that basis I invite my colleagues also not to oppose the Government’s Motion A. I think it right that I should put on record our views, particularly on the amendment in lieu. As...

My Lords, I should make it clear from the very beginning that I do not oppose the Government’s Motion A, and on that basis I invite my colleagues also not to oppose the Government’s Motion A. I think it right that I should put on record our views, particularly on the amendment in lieu. As...

My Lords, this has been a most interesting debate. I am delighted that I gave way to my noble friend Lord Tunnicliffe because he has outlined an argument that is powerful indeed. Much of the debate has, if I may respectfully say so, been predicated on a false premise. My noble friend is absolutely...

My Lords, this has been a most interesting debate. I am delighted that I gave way to my noble friend Lord Tunnicliffe because he has outlined an argument that is powerful indeed. Much of the debate has, if I may respectfully say so, been predicated on a false premise. My noble friend is absolutely...

My Lords, I rise because I moved Amendment No. 50, the one on reporting, on the earlier occasion. Like the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, I have listened with great care to the Minister’s patient explanation as to why the reports should be given to the Secretary of State rather than direct to Parliament. She has...

My Lords, I rise because I moved Amendment No. 50, the one on reporting, on the earlier occasion. Like the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, I have listened with great care to the Minister’s patient explanation as to why the reports should be given to the Secretary of State rather than direct to Parliament. She has...

My Lords, I certainly hope that I can reassure noble Lords, particularly the noble Lord, Lord Selsdon, that we have already taken all proper steps to ensure that only appropriate reference will be given to anyone under the Bill. We went through in extensive detail what those safeguards are and I think it would...

My Lords, I certainly hope that I can reassure noble Lords, particularly the noble Lord, Lord Selsdon, that we have already taken all proper steps to ensure that only appropriate reference will be given to anyone under the Bill. We went through in extensive detail what those safeguards are and I think it would...

My Lords, I intervene only briefly. Being international, one of the sad things I face is that I tend to be one of the few representatives of the 13 million British subjects who live abroad. They have a certain concern about an identity register, and let us assume that the 13 million people who live abroad do...

My Lords, I intervene only briefly. Being international, one of the sad things I face is that I tend to be one of the few representatives of the 13 million British subjects who live abroad. They have a certain concern about an identity register, and let us assume that the 13 million people who live abroad do...

My Lords, has the noble Lord, Lord Gould of Brookwood, my near geographical neighbour, any comments to make about me passing notes to the noble Baroness, Lady Scotland? I am agog with developing interest.

My Lords, has the noble Lord, Lord Gould of Brookwood, my near geographical neighbour, any comments to make about me passing notes to the noble Baroness, Lady Scotland? I am agog with developing interest.

My Lords, I have three simple and straightforward points to make. First, it is wholly illogical that the Government, having accepted that the scheme as a whole should not become compulsory without primary legislation, should be telling us that we should accept creeping compulsion without primary legislation. Creeping compulsion is wrong,...

My Lords, I have three simple and straightforward points to make. First, it is wholly illogical that the Government, having accepted that the scheme as a whole should not become compulsory without primary legislation, should be telling us that we should accept creeping compulsion without primary legislation. Creeping compulsion is wrong,...