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Report stage. New clause 1 discussed, with other amendments, and withdrawn. Amendment 1 agreed to on division (211 to 132). Amendment 7 agreed to on division (203 to 117). Amendments made to schedule 1. Third reading. Queen's consent signified. Agreed to on question. Bill passed.

Lead member
Mel Stride
Answering member
Valerie Vaz
Department
Leader of the House of Commons
Type
Debates on bills
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 cc267-314
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Member
Mark Tami (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c268
House
House of Commons

I rise to speak to new clause 1 and amendment 6 on behalf of my hon. Friend the Member for Hackney South and Shoreditch (Meg Hillier) and myself, and amendments 8 and 9 on behalf of the right hon. Member for Derbyshire Dales (Sir Patrick McLoughlin) and myself.

New clause 1...

Member
Mark Tami (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c270
House
House of Commons

I entirely agree that where work has to be done, it should be spread around the country. Is the right hon. Gentleman envisaging that the audit should take into account the policy issues? For example, will it look at whether it is good value to move MPs out of this...

Member
Lord Redwood (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c270
House
House of Commons

As someone who has been involved in this from day one, I would say that we have looked at this very carefully, and the decision to decant from here was not taken lightly. A lot of work went into that, and I think we have made the right choice.

The two...

Member
Mark Tami (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 cc270-1
House
House of Commons

I am very happy that there should be proper audit and review, and I think the right spirit was struck by the right hon. Member for Alyn and Deeside (Mark Tami) in speaking about his proposal. However, I would like to raise the bigger policy issue. The underlying Bill he...

Member
Lord Redwood (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c271
House
House of Commons

Is the right hon. Gentleman suggesting that because the Elizabeth Tower works are going on while we are sitting here, we

could somehow remain in parts of the Palace of Westminster while the works on it are carried out? Will he reflect on which parts of the Elizabeth Tower are...

Member
Neil Gray (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c271
House
House of Commons

Of course, when the works need to move on to parts of the Palace that MPs use more often and more directly, alternative arrangements will need to be made. However, I do not think that means that all MPs need to move out of the old Palace for a long...

Member
Lord Redwood (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c272
House
House of Commons

The right hon. Gentleman is being kind in giving way. To support my hon. Friend the Member for Airdrie and Shotts (Neil Gray), in my 14 years in this Parliament, I do not think I have been in the Elizabeth Tower once. I think that strengthens the argument that has...

Member
Angus Brendan MacNeil (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c272
House
House of Commons

I do not think it does at all, because I have also pointed out that there are a lot of roofing works going on. The hon. Gentleman is using the parts of the building that are being reroofed without being interrupted in his work. Again, I pay tribute to those...

Member
Lord Redwood (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c272
House
House of Commons

rose—

Member
Mark Tami (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c272
House
House of Commons

To reinforce your point, Mr Deputy Speaker, I was about to say that we have had these arguments for ever and a day. We could have them again, but this debate is about the governance.

Member
Mark Tami (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c272
House
House of Commons

I am very willing to do so. As I say, I welcome the principle that where works are conducted, there needs to be a proper audit. However, I go back to the intervention that I made at the start of the debate, when I said that any audit should also...

Member
Lord Redwood (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c272
House
House of Commons

I will speak to amendment 4, which appears in my name and in those of colleagues not just in the Scottish National party, but across the House. The amendment would insert something that presently does not appear anywhere in the Bill, but which is critical for the project to enjoy...

Member
Neil Gray (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c273
House
House of Commons

Does the hon. Gentleman recall that some £400 million of common taxpayers’ money was spent on the Edinburgh Parliament, and no equivalent English Parliament has been granted? This is the Parliament of the Union, so we all share in it. His fellow countrymen and women voted to stay in that...

Member
Lord Redwood (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c273
House
House of Commons

It is for the former Secretary of State for Wales to promote the idea of an English Parliament, not for a Member of the Scottish National party.

Member
Neil Gray (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c273
House
House of Commons

I applaud the hon. Gentleman on his amendment. I will be happy to support it if he presses it to a Division. If we are really serious about dealing with the huge geographical wealth inequalities within the British state, surely we should debate moving this Parliament outside London and the...

Member
Jonathan Edwards (Plaid Cymru)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c273
House
House of Commons

I thank my hon. Friend for that point. He will be aware that I pushed that idea when I sat on the first Joint Committee that reviewed the options appraisal. Unfortunately, I was outvoted 11 to one on that occasion, but it is something that the SNP has looked on...

Member
Neil Gray (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c274
House
House of Commons

My colleague and good friend is making a powerful speech. In describing the raid on the Scottish lottery budgets at the time of the Olympics, he is highlighting that what is happening here is another not very well disguised London subsidy from the pockets of Scottish taxpayers. This is why...

Member
Angus Brendan MacNeil (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c274
House
House of Commons

Mr Deputy Speaker, I thought it was a perfectly reasonable intervention.

Member
Neil Gray (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 June 2019
Reference
662 c274
House
House of Commons