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Letter dated 13/07/2026 from Lord Stockwood of Great Grimsby and Cleethorpes to Baroness Tyler of Enfield regarding the Financial Conduct Authority's (FCA) Consumer Duty and what it means for financial inclusion, as discussed during the Committee stage (third day) of the Financial Services and Markets Bill. 4p.

Deposited by
Treasury; Department for Business and Trade
Type
Deposited papers
Date
13 July 2026
Reference
DEP2026-0486
House
House of Lords

Lords committee stage sixth day. Clauses 39 to 53 agreed to. Bill reported without amendment.

Lead member
Lord Stockwood
Answering member
Baroness Neville-Rolfe; Lord Altrincham
Department
Treasury
Type
Committee proceedings; Debates on bills
Notes
Northern Ireland and Scottish legislative consent sought.
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 cc105-175GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, our amendments in this group concern the future of the bank ring-fencing regime. I will start by setting out clearly the position that we have reached as the Official Opposition. Through our diagnostic work, we have found a consensus that the bank ring-fencing regime is no longer fit...

Member
Baroness Neville-Rolfe (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 cc105-7GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, if I may respond to that, I had thought until recently that what we were debating was a response to the Skeoch commission established by the last Government, but we have new amendments now, it seems—Amendment 160A and the abandonment of clauses—that are really throwing ring-fencing out. I...

Member
Lord Pitt-Watson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 cc107-9GC
House
House of Lords

In Committee, it is normal to address the amendments and not opposition parties’ policy documents.

Member
Baroness Noakes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 c109GC
House
House of Lords

The amendment has been put to us at the last minute. The points that it relates to have been there for weeks, indeed months, but I would argue that what has triggered the amendment is the speech by the leader of the Conservative Party and the policy document that underpins...

Member
Lord Pitt-Watson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 cc109-110GC
House
House of Lords

I rise to speak to the Motion that Clause 40 does not stand part. As I explained at Second Reading, I have no professional knowledge of the banking industry but, because of circumstances, for more than 14 years I have been in this Room talking about the finance industry and...

Member
Lord Tunnicliffe (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 cc110-1GC
House
House of Lords

I support Amendment 160A. I want to start by briefly addressing a couple of issues raised by the noble Lord, Lord Pitt-Watson. Most importantly, I want briefly to quote the conclusions of the Skeoch report. The panel judges that the ring-fence

“is worth retaining at present”

but adds a number of considerations:

“The...

Member
Lord Massey of Hampstead (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 c111GC
House
House of Lords

I did indeed talk to senior members of the Skeoch commission before writing my speech, and what I said is completely consistent with the conclusions of the Skeoch commission, which was set up by the previous Conservative Government, as I said.

Member
Lord Pitt-Watson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 c112GC
House
House of Lords

I am just reading the conclusions from the report, my Lords. They make it very clear that the continuation of ring-fencing made sense at the time the report was written, but the commission clearly envisaged that it might not be needed over the passage of time. I also remind noble...

Member
Lord Massey of Hampstead (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 c112GC
House
House of Lords

I find it difficult to believe that someone has told me that the withdrawal of Glass-Steagall, which took place 13 years before the global financial crisis, had no detriment to the American banking system. As I say, I have read the Skeoch report and discussed it with senior members of...

Member
Lord Pitt-Watson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 c112GC
House
House of Lords

I also draw attention to the abolition of FOS, which the noble Lord mentioned. I draw the Committee’s attention to Amendment 172A, which discusses the changes proposed to FOS. It is to be abolished and replaced with something called the financial adjudication service, which is a broadly similar methodology to...

Member
Lord Massey of Hampstead (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 cc112-3GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have some experience of ring-fencing as, in my capacity as the chairman of the risk committee of a major bank, I oversaw the implementation of ring-fencing. At that time, it was a significant risk to the bank that we would not be in compliance with the ring-fencing...

Member
Baroness Noakes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 c113GC
House
House of Lords

There were two points, one of which is that the Skeoch report says that the numbers given are not its numbers. The report is clear that whatever the cost of ring-fencing, it is not a cost to the economy—this is what the Vickers report said earlier

—and that, by removing...

Member
Lord Pitt-Watson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 c113GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I understand the point that the noble Lord is trying to make, but I argue that the risk of the taxpayer picking up the tab is now considerably lower, which means that it is reasonable to re-examine whether ring-fencing should be an ongoing part of the regime.

I was...

Member
Baroness Noakes (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 c114GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it has been an unusual experience to have had a debate with two sides to it on the Bill; the Minister must be pleased about that. I am afraid that I sit firmly on the fence—indeed, on the ring-fence. I am in two minds on this issue. Ring-fencing...

Member
Lord Vaux of Harrowden (Conservative; Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 cc114-5GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am delighted to have the debate, and I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Pitt-Watson, for raising questions which have encouraged debate, but I support my noble friend Lady Neville-Rolfe’s opposition to Clause 39 standing part of the Bill. I also support her Amendment 160A...

Member
Baroness Lawlor (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 cc115-6GC
House
House of Lords

I wonder whether there might be some confusion here. The thing about the ring-fence is that there are activities within it that the Government are promising to bail out. Those things are being insured. By the way, the move in the ring-fence proposed by the Government will extend these a...

Member
Lord Pitt-Watson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 c116GC
House
House of Lords

I thank the noble Lord, but it is about where the line is drawn in law, so that businesses can be certain and have predictability, because activities change day by day.

Member
Baroness Lawlor (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 c116GC
House
House of Lords

With respect, that is what Skeoch is recommending and what is being allowed in what we are being asked to accept here—there is an extension of the ring-fence. He is saying, “Look, there are other important activities that go beyond the ring-fence that are administratively complicated for the banks. Please...

Member
Lord Pitt-Watson (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 July 2026
Reference
858 c116GC
House
House of Lords