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That this House looks forward to the 2009 Trooping the Colour ceremony on Saturday 13 June to mark the Official Birthday of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II; notes with pride that the flags of all the nations of the Commonwealth are always displayed in and around Horse Guards Parade for...

Primary sponsor
Andrew Rosindell (Conservative)
Type
Early day motions
Date
10 June 2009
Reference
1644
House
House of Commons

To ask the Secretary of State for Justice to which Commonwealth governments the Government have indicated a wish to discuss reform of male-preference primogeniture for the line of succession for the Crown; and if he will make a statement.

Asked by
Baroness Featherstone (Liberal Democrat)
Answering body
Ministry of Justice
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Date
4 June 2009
Reference
493 c617W; 273805
House
House of Commons
To ask Her Majesty’s Government whether they plan to introduce legislation to remove the restrictions on heirs to the throne marrying Roman Catholics and to enable equal rights to succession to be enjoyed by daughters of the Sovereign.
Asked by
Baroness Quin (Labour)
Oral questions - Lead
Status
Answered
Date
2 April 2009
Reference
709 c1178
House
House of Lords
My Lords, this is a complex issue. While there is no question of changing the constitutional role of the monarch or the Church of England as the established church, both my right honourable friends the Prime Minister and the Lord Chancellor have said that we have to deal with issues of discrimination here. The laws concerning marriage to Catholics and the primacy of male members of the Royal Family should change, but that can happen only with the agreement of all the Commonwealth countries of which Her Majesty the Queen is the Head of State. Given the need for consensus across all the Queen’s realms, this cannot happen overnight.
Answered by
Lord Bach (Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
2 April 2009
Reference
709 c1178
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I thank my noble friend, but given that the debate in the other place last Friday aroused much interest and showed strong levels of public support for ending these discriminations, I urge the Government to act more quickly and bring in a measure either to deal with both discriminations together or, if it is easier to get agreement, to deal with each of them in turn. Does my noble friend agree that it is wise to introduce these changes now when they can be considered on their own merits rather than being seen to favour one particular successor to the Crown over another?
Asked by
Baroness Quin (Labour)
Oral questions - 1st Supplementary
Status
Answered
Date
2 April 2009
Reference
709 c1178
House
House of Lords
My Lords, on my noble friend’s second point, there is more than one view about whether this is the appropriate moment to take action. On her first point about whether we might remedy one of these issues and not the other, the problem is that the same difficulties apply when amending the law on succession to effect equal rights for females in the line of succession as to removing anti-Catholic provisions in the Act of Settlement. The Statute of Westminster 1931 requires the assent of the Parliaments of all those countries of which Her Majesty the Queen is Head of State.
Answered by
Lord Bach (Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
2 April 2009
Reference
709 c1178
House
House of Lords
My Lords, is it not the case that there is no specific statement in the Act of Settlement 1701 that prevents a person of the Roman Catholic faith becoming monarch? The words of the Act, if I remember rightly, are that the Crown shall devolve upon the Electress Sophia and the heirs of her body—followed by the words "being Protestant". It is not a case of Roman Catholics being proscribed, but rather of Protestants being prescribed.
Asked by
Lord Elystan-Morgan (Crossbench)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Date
2 April 2009
Reference
709 c1179
House
House of Lords
My Lords, would it not be preferable for the Government to show that they prefer to anticipate problems? However, they have to face them.
Asked by
Lord Maclennan of Rogart (Liberal Democrat)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Date
2 April 2009
Reference
709 c1179
House
House of Lords
My Lords, we are anticipating this problem; we have anticipated it. Discussions are taking place and will continue to take place, because this is a matter which, at some stage, needs to be resolved.
Answered by
Lord Bach (Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
2 April 2009
Reference
709 c1179
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I am certainly not going into the question of what Commonwealth countries may or may not have said on this issue; that would be quite inappropriate and wrong. As I understand it, discussions have started and are continuing.
Answered by
Lord Bach (Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
2 April 2009
Reference
709 c1180
House
House of Lords
Yes, my Lords.
Answered by
Lord Bach (Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
2 April 2009
Reference
709 c1180
House
House of Lords
My Lords, bearing in mind that the Act of Settlement inextricably links so many crucial components of our constitution with the monarchy and accepting that constitutional change in the United Kingdom must, despite the recent record of the Government, be based on consensus—in these matters, that means agreement by the Houses of Parliament, by the Church of England, by the Roman Catholic Church and other denominations, by the monarchy and by public opinion—does the Minister then agree that a Private Member’s Bill is a wholly inappropriate way of promoting changes in this area?
Asked by
Lord Kingsland (Conservative)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Date
2 April 2009
Reference
709 c1180
House
House of Lords
My Lords, my noble friend mentioned the difficulty of this complex issue and consulting the Commonwealth, but have the Government started that consultation? Also, could he mention one Commonwealth country that would be against these proposals?
Asked by
Lord Dubs (Labour)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Date
2 April 2009
Reference
709 c1180
House
House of Lords
My Lords, does the Minister accept that in recent times, Protestants and Catholics have developed increasing bonds of affection and friendship, and that we have made a little progress ourselves in these matters since the 16th and 17th centuries? Will he repeat the fact that complex issues lie behind these matters and that there is no immediate practical need for action? That gives time for the necessary consultation to take place and for these matters to be presented in a way which is rooted in a genuine consensus.
Asked by
Bishop of Chelmsford (Bishops (affiliation))
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Date
2 April 2009
Reference
709 c1179
House
House of Lords
My Lords, the noble Lord, as so often, is quite right.
Answered by
Lord Bach (Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
2 April 2009
Reference
709 c1179
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I agree with the right reverend Prelate. However, we must keep moving on this; we cannot just use the excuse of discussions for not doing something about it. That does not detract from the fact—I repeat it—that this is a complex matter
Answered by
Lord Bach (Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
2 April 2009
Reference
709 c1179
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I have already said that it is accepted by the Government that these are cases of discrimination and they need to be changed. However, this is a complex issue, as the noble Lord will understand; he was a member of a Government that I do not think sought to change the position as it was then and as it is now. He is right in the sense that this is discriminatory and that the Government have to do something about it. This is a complex issue which requires the agreement of those other countries in the Commonwealth which treat the Queen as their Head of State.
Answered by
Lord Bach (Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Date
2 April 2009
Reference
709 c1178-9
House
House of Lords
My Lords, does the Minister acknowledge that the ban on the heirs to the throne marrying Catholics is the constitution’s grubby little secret? Does he recall that the previous Prime Minister, Mr Blair, promised to tackle this and gave exactly the same line as we are hearing from the Dispatch Box today? Just how long will it take this Government to deal with this question?
Asked by
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Conservative)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Date
2 April 2009
Reference
709 c1178-9
House
House of Lords

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for reminding me of that episode. The whole debate on this issue has been characterised by the Government looking for quick headlines. I would far rather they looked to have a proper consultation process, with a view to introducing a Government Bill at...

Member
Lord Bellingham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 March 2009
Reference
490 c590
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way. He is honourable and he is my friend. I know little of the café society of Shepherd's Bush, but I am not a woman, therefore I cannot feel the pain that women feel about the existing legislation. He is not...

Member
Stephen Pound (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
27 March 2009
Reference
490 c596
House
House of Commons