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Scotland Bill. Lords report stage second day. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 138).

Department
Scotland Office
Type
Debates on bills
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1420-45, 1474-540
House
House of Lords

I think that the noble Lord intervened before I sat down. I do agree with that. The next inquiry of the Economic Affairs Committee of this House, of which I am a member, as the noble Lord will be aware, will be into the economic impact of independence on the...

Member
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1423
House
House of Lords

Does my noble friend agree that this is absolutely crucial for those who are not Scottish as well as for the Scottish? Many in England feel that they need to understand exactly what the consequences are and unfortunately up to now they have had no such opportunity, which is why...

Member
Lord Deben (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1422
House
House of Lords

My Lords, let me first thank the noble Lord, Lord Eatwell, for confirming what I and the Government strongly believe but clearly have not communicated to my noble friend Lord Forsyth—that the no-detriment principle simply does not have the sort of double-benefit effect to Scotland that he seeks to portray...

Member
Lord Sassoon (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1501
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I was never a Secretary of State for Scotland but I was the shadow Secretary of State for Scotland. I was to be relieved of the great burden of being Secretary of State by being moved to deal with wars, conflicts and troubles between states in the world....

Member
Lord Robertson of Port Ellen (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1522-3
House
House of Lords

9: Clause 21, page 14, line 8, leave out ““Scottish Crown Estate Commissioner”” and insert ““Crown Estate Commissioner with special responsibility for Scotland””

Member
Lady Saltoun of Abernethy (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1440
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Shrewsbury for again giving the House the opportunity to discuss these matters. His amendment seeks to ensure that if, following devolution of the regulation of air weapons anticipated by this clause, the Scottish Government were to introduce a system of visitor permits...

Member
Lord Wallace of Tankerness (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1438-9
House
House of Lords

52: After Clause 38, insert the following new Clause— ““Review and power to amend sections 37 to (Time limits for appeals on devolution issues in criminal proceedings) (1) The Secretary of State must arrange— (a) for a review of the provision made by sections 37 to (Time limits for appeals...

Member
Lord Wallace of Tankerness (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1539-40
House
House of Lords

I might just respond on this point and leave the Minister to deal with the matter if he thinks I have not dealt with it adequately. My response to the noble Lord, Lord Pearson, is that I think I answered his question by pointing out where he was misreading the...

Member
Lord Browne of Ladyton (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1482
House
House of Lords

53: Clause 42, page 32, line 36, leave out ““section 39”” and insert ““the preceding provisions of this Part”” 54: Clause 42, page 32, line 38, leave out ““section 39”” and insert ““the preceding provisions of this Part”” Amendments 53 and 54 agreed. Clause 44: Commencement Clause 44: Commencement Amendments...

Member
Lord Wallace of Tankerness (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1540
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I hope I can reassure my noble friend that that is exactly what will happen under Amendment 29, because that will require both Governments to provide updates to their respective Parliaments on the implementation of the Bill. If we are not able to give a report that confirms...

Member
Lord Sassoon (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1493-4
House
House of Lords

I have not moved Amendment 17.

Member
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1490
House
House of Lords

I thank the noble Lord for that clarification. Amendment 16 inserts the conditions and procedures required prior to the devolution of further taxes. It would put the considerations required for the devolution of a new tax outlined in the Command Paper on a statutory basis. Of course I confirm at...

Member
Lord Sassoon (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1491-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, perhaps I may gently suggest that my noble friend Lord Forsyth finishes his words of wisdom before anyone else interrupts because it interrupts the flow of what he is saying.

Member
Lord Skelmersdale (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1423
House
House of Lords

30: After Clause 36, insert the following new Clause— ““Allocation of public funds to Scotland (1) The allocation of public funds to Scotland shall be based on a needs assessment, rather than the population basis of the Barnett formula. (2) The Chancellor of the Exchequer shall, by order, establish a...

Member
Lord Barnett (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1511
House
House of Lords

2: Before Clause 10, insert the following new Clause— ““Referendum about Scottish independence: further provision (1) Any referendum held in pursuance of the provisions of section 30 of the Scotland Act 1998 shall not take place until nine months after every Secretary of State has laid before both Houses of...

Member
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1420
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this amendment relates to the—

Member
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1421
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am surprised that there is not more interest in this important piece of legislation. This amendment is very straightforward. If my noble and learned friend is not able to accept it, I hope that at least he will be able to give an undertaking that the substance...

Member
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1421-2
House
House of Lords

I am most grateful to my noble friend for that intervention. I look at this from a Scottish perspective and I should have given more emphasis to that. He is absolutely right. This will have huge implications for people in England as well as Scotland. I find it very difficult...

Member
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1422-3
House
House of Lords

I am moving my amendment.

Member
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
28 March 2012
Reference
736 c1423
House
House of Lords