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My Lords, the purpose of my amendment is to amend Section 329 of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 to exclude civil proceedings against the police for trespass against the person occasioned during an arrest. Section 329 was designed to cover a situation where an individual harms another while that other...

Member
Lord Thomas of Gresford (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c849-51
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I can be very brief and start by saying how grateful the House should be to the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, for explaining this amendment so clearly. We support the amendment. It seems sensible; and it seems equally sensible for the Government, when a sensible amendment...

Member
Lord Bach (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c851-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this amendment is near identical to one tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Lester, during Committee stage of this Bill, and to which we gave a fairly full response at the time, so I will be brief. We promised the noble Lord in my response at the time...

Member
Lord Wallace of Saltaire (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c852
House
House of Lords

I note that my noble friend Lord Lester raised this matter in the Policing and Crime Bill 2009, and that at that stage undertakings were given by the noble Lord, Lord Brett, on behalf of the then Government to consult the police on the unintended consequences. That was reiterated on...

Member
Lord Thomas of Gresford (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c852-3
House
House of Lords

245: Schedule 14, page 154, line 40, leave out ““this paragraph”” and insert ““sub-paragraphs (2) to (5)””

Member
Baroness Browning (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c855
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the government amendments to Schedule 14 correct a number of drafting errors that have come to light during the passage of the Bill. The changes are necessary in order to ensure that the changes to the existing police complaints legislation work properly. I assure noble Lords that in...

Member
Baroness Browning (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c855
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 256 in this group. Before doing so, I apologise to the House that I may be unable to stay until the end of the debate. I have to attend a special meeting of the Metropolitan Police Authority where the commissioner is coming to...

Member
Baroness Doocey (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c855
House
House of Lords

I hope that I can reassure the House. In discussions with my noble friend, neither of us realised that we would reach this group quite so soon. My noble friend should be able to be here until well after we have got through this group—unless she is going to take...

Member
Baroness Hamwee (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c856
House
House of Lords

I apologise to the House if I have got it wrong yet again and I thank my noble friend Lady Hamwee. My amendment relates to the handling of complaints against senior police officers in London. The Bill proposes that responsibility for complaints against senior ACPO officers—that is, officers below the...

Member
Baroness Doocey (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c856-7
House
House of Lords

I understand the thrust of the noble Baroness’s argument, but it is interesting that in her amendment she seems to be proposing that outside the Metropolitan Police area the chief constable still carries out that function. I wonder why she has not amended the situation outside London. The logic of...

Member
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c857
House
House of Lords

I can only plead ignorance and apologise. My amendment was meant specifically to deal with London and I do not think I was sufficiently good at checking that the final version of the amendment dealt just with London. I crave your Lordships’ indulgence.

Member
Baroness Doocey (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c857
House
House of Lords

My noble friend’s amendment would mean that the responsibility for dealing with appeals in relation to low-level complaints against the Metropolitan Police would be handled by the Mayor's Office for Policing and Crime rather than the responsibility resting with the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police. While the Government recognise that...

Member
Baroness Browning (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c858-9
House
House of Lords

246: Schedule 14, page 155, line 16, at end insert— ““(6) In consequence of the amendments made by sub-paragraphs (2) to (5)— (a) in section 12(2) (complaints, matters and persons to which Part 2 applies), omit ““, paragraph 2(4) of Schedule 3””; (b) in section 29(1) (interpretation of Part 2),...

Member
Baroness Browning (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c859-60
House
House of Lords

I am very grateful to the noble Baroness for that. She has raised an important matter of principle and it will be interesting to see what response the Minister gives. If it were a sympathetic response, in which we had an opportunity at Third Reading to discuss this again, she...

Member
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c857-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have a query in relation to Amendment 245. A number of years ago, I was a member of the complaints committee of Northumbria Police Authority. I well remember being advised that every complaint that was written down was provided to the committee to see, whether or not...

Member
Lord Shipley (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c858
House
House of Lords

258A: Schedule 15, page 167, line 8, leave out ““existing police authority”” and insert ““new policing body”” Amendment 258A agreed. Amendment 259 not moved. Amendment 259A Moved by

Member
Baroness Browning (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c863
House
House of Lords

259A: Schedule 15, page 167, line 17, leave out ““existing police authority”” and insert ““new policing body”” Amendment 259A agreed. Amendment 260 not moved. Amendment 260A Moved by

Member
Baroness Browning (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c863
House
House of Lords

256A: Schedule 15, page 165, line 26, leave out from beginning to end of line 3 on page 166 and insert— ““Chief officers of police Current chief officers to remain in post 1 (1) At the relevant commencement time a person who, immediately before that time, is in post as...

Member
Baroness Browning (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c860-3
House
House of Lords

257A: Schedule 15, page 167, line 3, leave out ““existing police authority”” and insert ““new policing body”” Amendment 257A agreed. Amendment 258 not moved. Amendment 258A Moved by

Member
Baroness Browning (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c863
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I do not agree with the amendment, for the following reasons. Noble Lords will be well aware of my concerns about the Bill, so I say this with a certain force. This legislation seems no different from other legislation that is contentious. It will be on the statute...

Member
Baroness Hamwee (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
14 July 2011
Reference
729 c962-3
House
House of Lords