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This paper has been published for the Report Stage debate on the Counter-Terrorism Bill . The bill is wide-ranging but the most contentious provisions relate to pre-charge detention, post charge questioning and inquests and inquiries.

Type
Commons Briefing papers
Date
24 January 2014
Reference
RP08-52

Education and Skills Act 2008 (CHAP 25 2008); Local Transport Act 2008 (CHAP 26 2008); Climate Change Act 2008 (CHAP 27 2008); Counter-Terrorism Act 2008 (CHAP 28 2008); Planning Act 2008 (CHAP 29 2008); Pensions Act 2008 (CHAP 30 2008); Dormant Bank and Building Society Accounts Act 2008 (CHAP 31...

Type
Legislative formal proceedings
Date
26 November 2008
Reference
483 c855
House
House of Commons
Type
Public acts
Date
26 November 2008
Reference
CHAP 28 2008

Counter-Terrorism Bill. Commons amendments and reasons considered. Lords amendments not insisted on, with Lords amendments in lieu disagreed to. Commons amendments in lieu of Lords amendments agreed to.

Department
Home Office
Type
Debates on bills
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1288-306
House
House of Lords

My Lords, has the Speaker certified in accordance with the terms and procedures of the 1911 Act to which the noble Lord, Lord Elystan-Morgan, referred?

Member
Lord Thomas of Gresford (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1293
House
House of Lords

My Lords, that is not the most compelling argument that I can think of. I am as sure as I can be—it is a long time since my student days—that the Act itself refers to certification by the Speaker of the House of Commons. If that is so, surely that...

Member
Lord Elystan-Morgan (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1293-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendment No. 3, to which the Commons have disagreed for their reason 3A; that the House do not insist on its Amendment No. 15 and do agree with the Commons in the Amendments Nos. 15A to...

Member
Lord West of Spithead (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1294-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I beg to move that this House do not insist on its Amendments Nos. 106 and 133, to which the Commons have disagreed for their reasons 106A and 133A. As noble Lords are aware, we share a common desire to ensure that a coroner’s inquests are completed as...

Member
Lord West of Spithead (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1295
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we certainly agreed with the amendment when we debated it previously but, from what noble Lords are saying, there does not seem to be much room for manoeuvre for this House, given the objections that the other place has registered. It seems to create a dangerous precedent. The...

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Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1292
House
House of Lords

My Lords, undoubtedly the noble Lord, Lord Elystan-Morgan, is correct: if the Speaker attaches a privilege statement to a Bill, there is nothing that this House can do about it. However, this House is entitled to express its concern that an amendment that it passed has not had the consideration...

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Lord Stoddart of Swindon (Independent Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1292-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, said, I am on record as saying—and I firmly believe—that there is need for a wide debate on DNA. In this country, there is a wide range of views. Some people think that anybody who has not been convicted of a crime...

Member
Lord West of Spithead (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1293
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I find this curiouser and curiouser. The amendment which we put forward when the House last considered this matter proposed that the discussion on the DNA database should be put on a statutory basis. We asked the Minister and Parliament to consider how people would be able to...

Member
Baroness Hanham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1288-91
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I had not intended to speak to this Motion but I confess that I am amazed at the reason given by the other place for opposing our amendment. First, can the noble Lord give us an idea of the cost of implementing the amendment? I find it hard...

Member
Viscount Bledisloe (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1291
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendment No. 2, to which the Commons have disagreed for their reason 2A. Amendment No. 2 was considered by the other place on 19 November. The other place disagreed with the amendment on the grounds of...

Member
Lord West of Spithead (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1288
House
House of Lords

My Lords, perhaps I may make it plain that I accept what the noble Lord says. I am not suggesting that this House should fly in the face of the House of Commons reason; I merely seek to point out that I think that we are faced with a remarkable...

Member
Viscount Bledisloe (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1292
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I respect that.

Member
Lord Elystan-Morgan (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1292
House
House of Lords

My Lords, on a point of detail, if the criterion were whether someone had been convicted of an offence, that would mean that it would not be possible to use DNA for intelligence purposes.

Member
Baroness Manningham-Buller (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1291
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have every sympathy for noble Lords who wish to see the Motion challenged but, with the greatest respect, I do not think that they come within a mile of meeting the point. As I understand it, the point is contained in the Parliament Act 1911 and relates...

Member
Lord Elystan-Morgan (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1292
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I oppose the amendment. I declare a not very relevant interest: I am an adviser to Cable & Wireless plc, which is the second largest telecoms provider in this country. On a number of occasions, we have debated the use of intercept material and the implications for national...

Member
Lord Robertson of Port Ellen (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1300
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I support the amendment. I admit that at Third Reading I voted against it because I am particularly keen to see a coroners Bill that is all-embracing and sweeps up a large number of other issues that I hope will be in it, such as matters affecting the...

Member
Lord Ramsbotham (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 November 2008
Reference
705 c1299-300
House
House of Lords