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Welfare Reform Bill

We are back to the training of advisers and the right way in which to ask such questions. The noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, looks as though she is about to jump down my throat again, as her glare normally precedes that activity. Perhaps I may be allowed to explain. A properly trained adviser would not go about it in the way in which the noble Baroness, Lady Murphy, suggests I might believe they should. A properly trained adviser might say two things to the plumber with a bad knee. First, I hope he would say, "Have you considered getting a new knee?", in which case there would be an answer such as, "Yes, I have considered it and I have taken advice from my GP", or whatever, and then it could not go into the action plan by any stretch of the imagination, could it? Secondly, a badly trained adviser might say, "I think you ought to get that knee seen to", and the plumber might say, "Who by?". Again, the normal entry into the hospital world, as the noble Baroness knows perfectly well, is through a GP and if the plumber comes back, having seen his GP, with whatever suggestion the GP makes, then we are in a different scenario. I do not think that these worries bear much weight. I shall say more about this when we get to the drugs and alcohol issue, as we shall shortly. I hope that the Minister will be able to reinforce what I have said about the proper training of the job adviser.