Debate on bill on Tuesday, 22 November 2005, in the House of Lords.

Road Safety Bill [HL]

Road Safety Bill (HL). Lords report stage first day. (Part 3 of 3)

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 675 c1588-614
Session: 2005-06
Department: Department for Transport
Legislative stage: Report stage
Procedure: New clauses
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Road Safety Bill (HL). As amended in Committee (HL).
Wednesday, 26 October 2005
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House of Lords; Road Safety Bill [HL]
Tuesday, 22 November 2005
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House of Lords; Road Safety Bill [HL]
Tuesday, 22 November 2005
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1598-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that I understand. As I indicated, the law has regard not to road traffic, but to other as...; Earl of Mar and Kellie | 675 c1598 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is a slight problem, because I do not think that the Scottish Parliament constitutio...; Viscount Simon | 675 c1598 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in the light of my noble friend’s research, did he know that what we now know as roads wer...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1598 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Simon has taken us slightly further back in history than even 1861. I...; Earl of Mar and Kellie | 675 c1597-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am a bit disappointed that furious driving does not apply to Scotland, not only because ...; Earl Attlee | 675 c1598 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have no difficulty with the Minister’s amendments, but I was not aware of furious drivin...; Lord Bradshaw | 675 c1596 (Link to this contribution) It was 1861.; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1596-7 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, my Lords; 1861 was the year I was looking for. I am not sure I can go back a century and...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1596 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 26:"After Clause 21, insert the following new clause—" ““POWER OF POLICE TO...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1601 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is undoubtedly a danger in the very long run, but we are thinking within a framework...; Baroness Hanham | 675 c1600 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the person concerned is unconscious, how can he be expected to give his consent?; Earl Attlee | 675 c1600 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that noble Lords will accept the amendment, but why is it necessary to obtain co...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1600-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is necessary to obtain consent because the sample has been taken without the conscious ...; Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 675 c1601 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if there is delay in obtaining the consent, is there a risk that the sample could become r...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1599 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 28: Transpose Clause 23 to before Clause 18. On Question, amendment agreed to....; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1599 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 29:"After Clause 23, insert the following new clause—" ““MEANING OF DRIVING...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1599-600 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 30:"After Clause 23, insert the following new clause—" ““EXTENSION OF OFFEN...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1599 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 27:"After Clause 21, insert the following new clause—" ““FURIOUS DRIVING ...; Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 675 c1603 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am interested in my noble friend’s point about double jeopardy, because we have heard th...; Earl of Mar and Kellie | 675 c1603 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, can the indictment start in Scotland as culpable homicide and then be followed by a second...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1601-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 31:"After Clause 23, insert the following new clause—" ““ALTERNATIVE VERDIC...; Baroness Hanham | 675 c1603 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, can the Minister clarify this matter? If someone is prosecuted for manslaughter while driv...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1604 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 32:"After Clause 23, insert the following new clause—" ““ALTERNATIVE VERDIC...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1604-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 33:"Page 90, line 18, after ““court”” insert ““or (in Scotland) to the sheriff””...; Baroness Hanham | 675 c1603 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, however I put it, all I am doing is questioning the process. I am not questioning whether ...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1603-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness and I would have been surprised if she had remained si...; Lord Bradshaw | 675 c1601 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the Minister absolutely clear in his own mind on this? If someone has come into police ...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1601 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have dug a pit into which I have successfully fallen. I put the emphasis in the wrong pl...; Earl of Dundee | 675 c1606 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, to add to the remarks of my noble friend Lady Gardner of Parkes in support of this amendme...; Earl Attlee | 675 c1606-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Hanningfield. I am grateful for the letter that we had from...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1607-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to this short debate. As the noble E...; Earl Attlee | 675 c1608 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is there any evidence that this problem has actually arisen?; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1608 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords. I do not have anything in front of me. I know of another incident, and I can only talk...; Lord Hanningfield | 675 c1608 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister said at the beginning of his reply that he was with us in spirit and went on ...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1608-9 (Link to this contribution) Yes, my Lords, although I am not sure that the noble Lord has applied himself to the test that the n...; Lord Hanningfield | 675 c1605-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 34:"Page 39, line 4, at end insert—" ““( ) In subsection (1) (tests of com...; Lord Bradshaw | 675 c1606 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, briefly, I support what the noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield, said. I remember quite clearly ...; Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 675 c1606 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this amendment. I was really opposed to the idea of any sort of extensive traini...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1589-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to this short debate, particularly s...; Baroness Hanham | 675 c1590-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister is over-egging the pudding because no one is arguing that the court should no...; Lord Bradshaw | 675 c1589 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the noble Earl well knows, the problem is that the chances of being caught are so small...; Earl Attlee | 675 c1589 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the noble Lord accept that the errant driver would still incur penalty points on his ...; Lord Bradshaw | 675 c1589 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not convinced by the arguments put forward by the noble Baroness and the noble Earl i...; Earl Attlee | 675 c1588-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment moved by my noble friend on the Front Bench to which my name is ad...; Baroness Hanham | 675 c1588 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 24:"Page 23, line 27, at end insert ““and the offender was not an employee drivi...; Baroness Masham of Ilton | 675 c1594 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this common-sense amendment. Would one be penalised for reporting an accident on...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1594-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have been assailed on all sides. But I suppose that one could ask, whoever thought that ...; Baroness Hanham | 675 c1595-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am almost tempted to say that the Minister has, with his comments about hands-free phone...; Baroness Hanham | 675 c1591-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 25:"Page 23, line 42, at end insert ““except in circumstances where a motor vehi...; Lord Berkeley | 675 c1592-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. As the noble Baroness and the noble Earl have both said, there mu...; Earl Attlee | 675 c1592 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend Lady Hanham. If we do not make some progress on this matter, the...; Lord Monson | 675 c1593 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support this extremely sensible amendment. Where a vehicle is stationary and th...; Viscount Simon | 675 c1593-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment makes so much sense. For the amusement or fear of the noble Baroness, Lady ...; Lord Bradshaw | 675 c1593 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I too support the amendment. I do not know whether the words are right, but I accept that ...; Lord Hanningfield | 675 c1609 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply, especially for the last part of it. Many of us think ...; Earl Attlee | 675 c1611 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for tabling this amendment. I can see the benefits of wha...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 675 c1612-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate, particularly the mover of...; Lord Hanningfield | 675 c1612 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support my noble friend’s amendment. There is a case for a pilot scheme. As we hav...; Earl of Dundee | 675 c1610-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment entirely. I am sure that the Minister will agree tha...; Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 675 c1609-10 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 37:"After Clause 26, insert the following new clause—" ““IDENTIFICATION OF ...; Baroness Hanham | 675 c1611 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps young people would be happier to have such a scheme. It is a long time since I too...; Earl of Mar and Kellie | 675 c1611 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I think I said in Committee, this type of programme is already available in Northern Ir...; Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 675 c1614 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that consideration on Report be now adjourned. Moved accordingly, and, on Q...; Earl of Mar and Kellie | 675 c1593 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there are electric vehicles and hybrid vehicles on the road. The amendment should therefor...; Viscount Simon | 675 c1611-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am somewhat surprised that the noble Baroness, Lady Gardner of Parkes, did not mention A...; Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 675 c1613-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that response sounds delightfully plausible. The Minister has quoted some statistics, but ...
Subjects: Death Dangerous driving Driving Disqualification Homicide Drugs Exemptions First aid Motor vehicles Police Powers Mobile phones Safety Roads Testing Road traffic offences Motor insurance
Legislation: Road Safety Bill (HL) 2005-06
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Road Safety Bill [HL]

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