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Estimates day on Monday, 3 July 2006, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Willis of Knaresborough. The answering member was Caroline Flint.

Department of Health

Main estimates 2006-07. Third estimates day (part one). Motion that, for the year ending with 31st March 2007, for expenditure by the Department of Health— (1) further resources, not exceeding £37,417,520,000, be authorised for use as set out in House of Commons Paper No. 1035, (2) a further sum, not exceeding £38,276,451,000, be granted to Her Majesty out of the Consolidated Fund to meet the costs as so set out, and (3) limits as so set out be set on appropriations in aid. Question deferred. Resolved.

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448 c528-83 
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2005-06
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Department of Health
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Supply estimates
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House of Commons chamber
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Estimates 2006-07
Monday, 3 July 2006
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House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Charles Walker | 448 c562 (Link to this contribution) I apologise, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The hon. Lady says that only 1 per cent. of abortions take place af...
Brooks Newmark | 448 c563 (Link to this contribution) What scientific evidence was there for the doctors who made that decision—the 77 per cent. who voted...
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Emily Thornberry | 448 c562-3 (Link to this contribution) Yes. Women who have abortions late are very young, or women going through the menopause, women who d...
Brooks Newmark | 448 c559-61 (Link to this contribution) As a society, we are increasingly uncomfortable with the existence of received wisdom and moral cert...
Emily Thornberry | 448 c561 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate the opportunity to address the House on recommendation 77 of the Science and Technology...
Charles Walker | 448 c562 (Link to this contribution) You say that 1 per cent. of abortions—
Brooks Newmark | 448 c568 (Link to this contribution) Is not there a moral imperative to protect the unborn child?
Daniel Kawczynski | 448 c567 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman says that we should not discriminate against lesbian couples but, unfortunately, ...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 448 c550 (Link to this contribution) That is exactly the point that I was making and I am sorry if I misled the hon. Gentleman. It is imp...
Charles Walker | 448 c545 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman seriously suggesting that if we do not allow people to select the sex of their...
Brian Iddon | 448 c545 (Link to this contribution) No, I did not say that. We want high moral standards in this country. We do not want to force people...
Brooks Newmark | 448 c545 (Link to this contribution) Just because another country may have lower ethical or moral standards, does the hon. Gentleman thin...
Charles Walker | 448 c556 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely not, because as the hon. Gentleman knows full well, men are biologically able to go on ha...
Charles Walker | 448 c556 (Link to this contribution) Not in the slightest. I made the lifestyle choice of getting married and having children. People mak...
Evan Harris | 448 c556 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman clarify what he means by a lifestyle choice? Is he arguing that gay people m...
Charles Walker | 448 c555 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for calling me to speak in this important debate. I will try not to i...
Ian Gibson | 448 c553-5 (Link to this contribution) I quake a little when somebody says that we should have these debates in Parliament, because we will...
Desmond Turner | 448 c537 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that this debate concerns human reproductive therapies and the law, not ab...
Geraldine Smith | 448 c537 (Link to this contribution) I will come to my reasons for mentioning abortion. Recommendation 77 of the Select Committee, on whi...
Geraldine Smith | 448 c538 (Link to this contribution) I think that the Government should be leading this debate, because there is concern across the count...
Ian Gibson | 448 c539 (Link to this contribution) The Chairman would have loved to vote but he did not need to do that. The majority of Committee memb...
Ann Winterton | 448 c539-41 (Link to this contribution) Again, I am grateful to the hon. Lady. We all know what pressures are on Committees to reach a concl...
Evan Harris | 448 c541 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the hon. Lady was not chastising me for not being present in the Chamber, as I had to...
Ann Winterton | 448 c541-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend. I am grateful, however, that the hon. Gentleman has made his position clear....
Ann Winterton | 448 c542 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady has put far better than I ever could exactly what I and the majority of people in this...
Emily Thornberry | 448 c542 (Link to this contribution) Is not the main requirement for the welfare of children, which is paramount, that they be born into ...
David Leslie Taylor | 448 c542 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Lady correct the suggestion that the points of view that she expresses in this regard ...
Ann Winterton | 448 c542 (Link to this contribution) I agree 100 per cent. As the hon. Gentleman knows, we have worked closely on these issues for a long...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 448 c532 (Link to this contribution) I have enormous sympathy with that point. I spent much of my professional life working with children...
Geraldine Smith | 448 c532-3 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman not concerned? Once we start down that slippery slope, where does it all end? ...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 448 c528-30 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the opportunity to debate this important and topical issue on the Floor of the House. I on...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 448 c530-2 (Link to this contribution) The Committee made it absolutely clear that it is important for children to be brought up in a lovin...
Geraldine Smith | 448 c532 (Link to this contribution) If we are not careful, could not such screening become the ultimate form of discrimination against p...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 448 c534 (Link to this contribution) I agree that the matter goes much further than the Catholic Church. I am not a practising Catholic a...
Geraldine Smith | 448 c536-7 (Link to this contribution) I welcome this extremely important debate. The matters before us are complex and they raise numerous...
Brian Iddon | 448 c537 (Link to this contribution) For the record, does my hon. Friend accept that there is so much in the report for discussion that t...
Brooks Newmark | 448 c535 (Link to this contribution) But does the hon. Gentleman not agree that the unborn life has an equal right to that of the mother,...
Geraldine Smith | 448 c537 (Link to this contribution) Yes, there was so much to discuss. We see today the emotions that are aroused when abortion is menti...
Evan Harris | 448 c571 (Link to this contribution) The Select Committee’s report states, on page 46, that"““if the welfare of the child provision is to...
Lord Lansley | 448 c569-71 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate all those who contributed to the excellent debate. I hope that it greatly improves th...
Charles Walker | 448 c574 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend says that infertility is a disease. Is infertility in women who have passed the menop...
Lord Lansley | 448 c571-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend. We are, of course, talking about children, and about the circumstan...
Evan Harris | 448 c581 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is correct to say that there is no call from the royal colleges or the BMA to reduce ab...
Caroline Flint | 448 c581-3 (Link to this contribution) This afternoon has been an opportunity for all views to be aired on the issue, as was the hon. Gentl...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 448 c580 (Link to this contribution) If the Minister is confident—I have no reason to argue with what she has said—that the science has n...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 448 c534-5 (Link to this contribution) With the greatest respect to the hon. Gentleman, I do not know the answer to that. Does the fact tha...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 448 c535-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention, and I hope that he will forgive me if I d...
Ian Gibson | 448 c535 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman consider that, along with the science and the medical advances, there is als...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 448 c535 (Link to this contribution) I fundamentally agree. At the end of the day, it is certainly not for white, middle-class males in P...
Charles Walker | 448 c535 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not appreciate—I am sure that he does—that many people are deeply concerned ...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 448 c535 (Link to this contribution) I have deliberately tried not to enter into a debate of pure emotion—[Interruption.] That may well b...
Brian Iddon | 448 c543-5 (Link to this contribution) It is important that we are having this debate on an Estimates day. The subject is complex. The repo...
Speaker | 448 c562 (Link to this contribution) Order. I say nothing. It is the hon. Lady who says.
Desmond Turner | 448 c557-8 (Link to this contribution) I will try to bring the debate back to the mainstream of the subject. We should remember the context...
Daniel Kawczynski | 448 c562 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady says that all women should have the right to have an abortion. What about the right of...
Emily Thornberry | 448 c562 (Link to this contribution) The right is fundamentally that of the woman who carries and bears the child. We are not going to ag...
Evan Harris | 448 c568 (Link to this contribution) I shall not take the hon. Gentleman up on that in the debate because I must finish my speech quickly...
Emily Thornberry | 448 c563-4 (Link to this contribution) My central point is this: if we want to have a cool and rational debate on the subject and we want i...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 448 c563 (Link to this contribution) My response was that I do not know of any such changes. That is different. The purpose of an inquiry...
Emily Thornberry | 448 c563 (Link to this contribution) I am advised that there was a full report of the matter in the Evening Standard. I am grateful to my...
Evan Harris | 448 c567-8 (Link to this contribution) We could have a philosophical debate about what God intended and how much of medical science is play...
Evan Harris | 448 c564-7 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to speak in this debate. I tried to catch your eye for several reasons, Mr. Deputy ...
Adam Afriyie | 448 c564 (Link to this contribution) With 104 recommendations, the report by the Science and Technology Committee is as deep as it is wid...
Robert Key | 448 c550-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his clarification. The problem is that reproductive technolo...
Brian Iddon | 448 c545-8 (Link to this contribution) No, I am saying that in some other countries infanticide is used to achieve what people want. I have...
Robert Key | 448 c549-50 (Link to this contribution) I shall endeavour to speak as briefly as I can, as I am the only Member on the Opposition Benches, a...
Speaker | 448 c548-9 (Link to this contribution) Order. I offer guidance to the House and seek the co-operation of hon. Members. There are two subjec...
Ann Winterton | 448 c543 (Link to this contribution) Of course that is true, but people who do not believe in what I am saying usually go on to say that ...
Charles Walker | 448 c556 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman really believes that giving 60, 70 or 80-year-old women the choice of having c...
Evan Harris | 448 c556 (Link to this contribution) On that basis, would the hon. Gentleman support preventing men over 50 from using potency aids, give...
Evan Harris | 448 c556 (Link to this contribution) How old does the hon. Gentleman think that the oldest father should be by law? Should we limit the r...
Charles Walker | 448 c555 (Link to this contribution) Forgive my naivety, but I would have thought that this could have been considered by the Health Comm...
Brooks Newmark | 448 c555 (Link to this contribution) As a member of that august Committee, I am curious about what name my hon. Friend would come up with...
Ann Winterton | 448 c537-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady might remember that the initial legislation, the Abortion Act 1967, was introduced as ...
Ann Winterton | 448 c538-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to be called in the debate, which takes me back to 1990 and all the issues that were d...
Ann Winterton | 448 c539 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for making his position clear.
Geraldine Smith | 448 c539 (Link to this contribution) To add further clarification, the vote on the report took place in the last days of the previous Par...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 448 c542 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that there is a deep strain of antipathy towards co-parenting on the Gover...
Geraldine Smith | 448 c542 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady agree that it is not just a question of evidence but of common sense? Most people...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 448 c533-4 (Link to this contribution) Few hon. Members would disagree with the hon. Lady. I would go further and say that what we have see...
Geraldine Smith | 448 c534 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the matter goes much wider than just the Catholic Church? There i...
Andrew Selous | 448 c530 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that Parliament should not do anything to deny any child the possibili...
Brian Iddon | 448 c534 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman think that there is any new science—and science alone—that would require the...
Ann Winterton | 448 c541 (Link to this contribution) My earlier comments were not meant as—
Ann Winterton | 448 c542 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has made his point clearly. I agree that, in any arrangements made, the rights of the...
Lord Lansley | 448 c574 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend says, from a sedentary position, that it is a condition. Something that causes people...
Lord Lansley | 448 c571 (Link to this contribution) I understand that, but unless there is wholesale deregulation of assisted reproductive technologies,...
Evan Harris | 448 c568 (Link to this contribution) There is a question about what constitutes the moral rights of the unborn child and where they come ...
Charles Walker | 448 c571 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the hon. Member for Oxford, West and Abingdon (Dr. Harris) was gettin...
Caroline Flint | 448 c580-1 (Link to this contribution) That is an issue for the House to decide. I was trying to point out the differences between the deba...
Caroline Flint | 448 c581 (Link to this contribution) Despite some of our best efforts, the provision of sex education is still patchy, although there is ...
Ann Winterton | 448 c581 (Link to this contribution) Is it not a fact that the more her Department spends on sex education, the greater the level of sexu...
Caroline Flint | 448 c574-80 (Link to this contribution) We have had a good debate. We have heard a variety of speeches from Back Benchers—12, I believe—in t...
Lord Lansley | 448 c574 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I am about to end my speech. I welcome the Committee’s report, and hope the Ministe...
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Abortion Finance Human embryo experiments Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority IVF Department of Health Regulation
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