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Adjournment debate on Tuesday, 11 July 2006, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Reid of Cardowan. The answering member was David Davis.

Intelligence and Security Committee (Annual Report)

Debate on a motion for the adjournment on the annual report of the Intelligence and Security Committee (Cm 6864 - Government response is Cm 6865).

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448 c1300-63 
Session
2005-06
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Home Office
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House of Commons chamber
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Speaker | 448 c1334 (Link to this contribution) Order. I remind all right hon. and hon. Members that Mr. Speaker has now imposed a time limit of 12 ...
Speaker | 448 c1330 (Link to this contribution) Order. It is not quite 8 o’clock yet, but I remind the House that as from 8 o’clock, a 12-minute lim...
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Marquess of Lothian | 448 c1310 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary has spoken of our relationships with other Governments in the fight against al-Qa...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1309-10 (Link to this contribution) I saw that coming. I was explaining all the elements that make the terrorist’s unfettered intention...
Andrew Mackinlay | 448 c1315 (Link to this contribution) Did the western world collapse after that?
David Davis | 448 c1315 (Link to this contribution) I do agree, and I shall offer a model of how I think the Committee should be set up. The hon. Gentle...
David Davis | 448 c1313-4 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Home Secretary for that extremely useful intervention. The examining magistrates model w...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1312 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman raises an important point. My predecessor told the House on 2 February that...
David Davis | 448 c1311-2 (Link to this contribution) I join the Home Secretary in offering our condolences to the families and friends of the victims of ...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1310 (Link to this contribution) It is extremely important, because of our ties in history and Commonwealth, because of the number of...
Malcolm Rifkind | 448 c1316 (Link to this contribution) I was Secretary of State for Defence when the ISC was formed, and it is easy to forget how revolutio...
David Davis | 448 c1315-6 (Link to this contribution) No, the western world did not collapse—at least, not from that cause anyway. However, the hon. Membe...
Richard Ottaway | 448 c1316 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
David Davis | 448 c1316 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. and learned Friend, with whom I have worked on these matters before. I hope th...
Mike Gapes | 448 c1317 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can help the right hon. Gentleman. From time to time, the Select Committee on Foreign Affa...
David Davis | 448 c1317 (Link to this contribution) There are two aspects for the hon. Gentleman to consider. First, I was a member of the Committee tha...
David Davis | 448 c1316 (Link to this contribution) I give way to another member of the ISC.
Chris Mullin | 448 c1317 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is making some sensible and helpful proposals. I have pursued precisely the...
David Davis | 448 c1316 (Link to this contribution) There is no doubt that the proposed Committee would be unique in that respect, but the American Sena...
David Davis | 448 c1317 (Link to this contribution) I am tempted to say, ““Get thee behind me, Satan””, but I shall leave that point right there. Howeve...
David Davis | 448 c1319-20 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a reasonable point, although the Committee’s report covers in some detail t...
Norman Baker | 448 c1319 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in the right hon. Gentleman’s comments. There were newspaper reports of considerable...
Tobias Ellwood | 448 c1317 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that the ISC has limitations? The report it produced for the House o...
Andrew Mackinlay | 448 c1321 (Link to this contribution) I think that my right hon. Friend said that the way in which the Committee is selected is known. I h...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 448 c1320-1 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. There are some advantages, then, in the Committee being transferred into a Select Committee....
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 448 c1320 (Link to this contribution) I share the revulsion of the shadow Home Secretary and of my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary at...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 448 c1321-3 (Link to this contribution) I assume that my hon. Friend means me when he says ““he””. I do not make the selections. What I am t...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 448 c1323 (Link to this contribution) Our report was published on the basis of evidence given to us that was agreed by the agencies. We f...
Mark Pritchard | 448 c1323 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the provisions made by the right hon. Gentleman’s Committee, especially regarding dissenti...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 448 c1323 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I do, although that is not necessarily a job for the intelligence agencies or the Committee tha...
Mike Gapes | 448 c1323 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend referred to domestic terrorism. Does he share my concern about the opinion poll...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 448 c1324 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful that I have given my right hon. Friend the opportunity to put that on record. When th...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1324 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend mentioned misreporting in the press. Perhaps I should have taken the opportunit...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 448 c1324-5 (Link to this contribution) Yes, Scottish members of the Committee, or members representing constituencies close to the Scottish...
Stewart Hosie | 448 c1324 (Link to this contribution) On that point about reaching out, paragraph 107 of the report recognises the leading role of the Sco...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 448 c1325 (Link to this contribution) No, not in that sense, but we had a look in some detail at how to deal with the problems in Muslim c...
Ben Wallace | 448 c1325 (Link to this contribution) One of the reasons we got great intelligence in Northern Ireland was the fact that the community was...
Mark Pritchard | 448 c1302 (Link to this contribution) Is the Home Secretary still convinced today that Mohammed Siddique Khan was on the periphery of the ...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1301-2 (Link to this contribution) I am just about to answer those points. If the second point is true, I certainly would be not only s...
Andrew Mackinlay | 448 c1300-1 (Link to this contribution) How can my right hon. Friend justify to the House of Commons the fact that the response to which he ...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1301 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes two points: first, whether or not hon. Members were aware of a response; and, s...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1300 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to have the opportunity to open this debate on intelligence and security with particula...
Mark Oaten | 448 c1304 (Link to this contribution) Before the Home Secretary moves off the question of the lessons learned from last year’s bombings, a...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1304 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I think that there are lessons to be learned. The resources have been increased, fourfold on th...
Michael Mates | 448 c1303 (Link to this contribution) As the Home Secretary has just said, hindsight is a wonderful thing. But let me explain one of the p...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1303-4 (Link to this contribution) Not for the first time, I agree with every single word that the right hon. Gentleman, who serves on ...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1305-6 (Link to this contribution) A large number of things have been done on the basis of the Butler report’s recommendations. One of ...
Tobias Ellwood | 448 c1304-5 (Link to this contribution) I am a little concerned about whether there is enough co-ordination between agencies. Many agencies ...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1305 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I think that there is a need for co-ordination—and as we have approached that seamless web that...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1302-3 (Link to this contribution) In the wake of 7/7, several lessons have been learned, and as I promised yesterday, we will publish ...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1306-7 (Link to this contribution) The last time that we had a debate on this matter, I said, I think, that there was circumstantial ev...
Dari Taylor | 448 c1307 (Link to this contribution) I want to take my right hon. Friend back to what he said about the lessons that we have learned from...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1307-8 (Link to this contribution) Our intelligence and security agencies are indeed looking at that issue. One difficulty in using our...
David Tredinnick | 448 c1308-9 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman mentioned the earlier threat during the cold war. Can he reassure us that h...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1309 (Link to this contribution) We have those contacts. Some, of course, are in the European Union. Some are in NATO. Others, such a...
Tobias Ellwood | 448 c1309 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary give way?
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1309 (Link to this contribution) I have given way to the hon. Gentleman already. If he does not allow me to make some progress, Membe...
David Winnick | 448 c1306 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend will know that a number of the survivors of 7/7 have called for a public inquir...
David Tredinnick | 448 c1340-2 (Link to this contribution) When this Committee was first mooted many years ago, I had grave reservations about it. I thought th...
Mike Gapes | 448 c1342-5 (Link to this contribution) Speaking as an MP with a large number of British Indian constituents, many of whom will have relativ...
Lord Beith | 448 c1345-8 (Link to this contribution) It is particularly interesting to follow the hon. Member for Ilford, South (Mike Gapes), the Chairma...
Ben Chapman | 448 c1334 (Link to this contribution) I have every confidence in the Cabinet Office’s actions in this area. This issue will not only conti...
Norman Baker | 448 c1337 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. and learned Member is making a helpful speech. However, is not the position even wors...
Malcolm Rifkind | 448 c1334-7 (Link to this contribution) I pay tribute to the work of the Intelligence and Security Committee over the past 12 years. I agree...
Gavin Strang | 448 c1337-40 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. and learned Member for Kensington and Chelsea (Sir Malcolm Rifkind) will understand i...
Malcolm Rifkind | 448 c1337 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right. For five years, as Defence Secretary and then as Foreign Secretary, I s...
Ben Wallace | 448 c1352 (Link to this contribution) I am not trying to say that the Home Secretary has a different view. My view is of an FBI-type arran...
Patrick Mercer | 448 c1352 (Link to this contribution) Does it surprise my hon. Friend, in view of his experience and mine in Northern Ireland, that, with ...
Speaker | 448 c1350 (Link to this contribution) Order. I understand that the hon. Gentleman has points that he wants to make about his own circumsta...
Andrew Mackinlay | 448 c1349-50 (Link to this contribution) It relates to the issue of selection for service on the committee. Indeed, it goes to the heart of t...
Speaker | 448 c1349 (Link to this contribution) Order. Does the point that the hon. Gentleman is making relate to the report?
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1352 (Link to this contribution) I want the hon. Gentleman to know that the Government are not opposed to looking at such structures....
Speaker | 448 c1351 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman’s time is up.
Andrew Mackinlay | 448 c1350-1 (Link to this contribution) I am astounded, Madam Deputy Speaker, as I am trying to demonstrate that we lack parliamentary accou...
Mark Pritchard | 448 c1334 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right to share his concerns about cyber-security. Does he share my concern tha...
Andrew Mackinlay | 448 c1333 (Link to this contribution) I know that my hon. Friend takes a great interest in China. Did the Committee look into so-called pa...
Ben Chapman | 448 c1333-4 (Link to this contribution) It is a fact that cyber-assaults on crucial institutions and organisations can be planned by individ...
Ben Chapman | 448 c1332-3 (Link to this contribution) If my hon. Friend allows me to proceed, I may persuade him otherwise. The Intelligence and Security...
Ben Chapman | 448 c1331-2 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps this goes beyond my brief, but it seems to me that President Musharraf faces many dichotomie...
Kim Howells | 448 c1331 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the emphasis that my hon. Friend is placing on overseas contacts and travel. However, d...
Ben Chapman | 448 c1330-1 (Link to this contribution) I speak as a member of the Intelligence and Security Committee, albeit of only one year’s standing s...
Nick Clegg | 448 c1327-30 (Link to this contribution) I used the powerful example of the report on the death of Zahid Mubarek, which was published after t...
Kim Howells | 448 c1361 (Link to this contribution) No, I am afraid that I do not have time.
Kim Howells | 448 c1359-61 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to have the opportunity to close the debate on intelligence and security. The Foreign S...
Dari Taylor | 448 c1355 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman rightly reminds the House that we must always discuss those reports and look at t...
Keith Simpson | 448 c1356-9 (Link to this contribution) In the limited time available, we have had a serious debate with some very good contributions from a...
Dari Taylor | 448 c1354-5 (Link to this contribution) I express my revulsion at the bombings in Mumbai today. I am the secretary of Labour Friends of Indi...
Tobias Ellwood | 448 c1355 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is making a powerful statement about the Committee’s performance. However, Ann Taylor,...
Kim Howells | 448 c1361-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman should not panic. I will say something very nice about him in a moment. My hon....
Kim Howells | 448 c1362-3 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not have time, I am afraid. The Government are resolved to learn lessons from those report...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 448 c1325 (Link to this contribution) I know what my hon. Friend is going to say, and I am about to come on to the very point that he will...
Chris Mullin | 448 c1325 (Link to this contribution) I note that at paragraph 104 my right hon. Friend proposes to conduct an inquiry into rendition. Can...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 448 c1326 (Link to this contribution) The answer is yes, we will do so. When my hon. Friend intervened on me, I was about to say that our ...
Nick Clegg | 448 c1326 (Link to this contribution) On behalf of my party, I join other hon. Members in expressing condolences to everyone who was maime...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1326-7 (Link to this contribution) For the record, the hon. Gentleman is not comparing like with like. The official cost of the Bloody ...
Nick Clegg | 448 c1327 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Home Secretary. I merely make two observations. First, it is difficult for me t...
Dari Taylor | 448 c1327 (Link to this contribution) You are making a clear case that you believe that an independent—
Dari Taylor | 448 c1327 (Link to this contribution) I beg your pardon, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The hon. Gentleman has made a clear case for an independent i...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 448 c1309 (Link to this contribution) I saw that coming. I was explaining all the elements that make the terrorist’s unfettered intention...
David Winnick | 448 c1314-5 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman will recall that I was present at the debates on the Bill setting up the IS...
Andrew Mackinlay | 448 c1348-9 (Link to this contribution) I have already indicated my view that apart from this welcome but very short debate, there is no par...
Ben Wallace | 448 c1353-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. and gallant Friend for that intervention. He is absolutely right. That rela...
David Davis | 448 c1317-9 (Link to this contribution) If my hon. Friend will forgive me, I think that he is blaming the wrong person. We cannot blame the ...
Ben Wallace | 448 c1351-2 (Link to this contribution) The ISC was set up and given its remit in 1994. Things have moved on and we live in very different t...
Richard Ottaway | 448 c1316 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the House and to the Home Secretary for intervening, given that I was not present for...
Norman Baker | 448 c1305 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Home Secretary for being so generous in giving way. He referred to the misinter...
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