Debate on bill on Wednesday, 27 June 2007, in the House of Lords.

Offender Management Bill

Offender Management Bill. Lords Report stage first day. Part 1 of 2 records.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 693 c602-58
Session: 2006-07
Department: Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage: Report stage
Procedure: New clauses
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Offender Management Bill. As amended in Committee.
Tuesday, 12 June 2007
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 693 c615-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment, to which I have added my name. It involves the substitution of ““...; Lord Northbourne | 693 c616 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, said that we are playing with words. I think that he is w...; Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c614 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move.; Lord Judd | 693 c614 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise without reservation for having jumped the gun. I repeat—although I will not do...; Baroness Stern | 693 c616 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, think that words are extremely important and I support the amendment. As most nobl...; Lord Rosser | 693 c617 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when I spoke at Second Reading, I declared my interests as set out in the register of bein...; Lord Judd | 693 c614 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, why in the spirit of the whole case that he has put does ...; Baroness Thomas of Walliswood | 693 c614 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord is out of order. The noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, needs to move his amendme...; Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 693 c610-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for her full, thoughtful and helpful reply. I am also grateful to all...; Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c613-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3: 3: Clause 2, page 3, line 7, leave out paragraph (c) and insert— ““(c) the ...; Baroness Warnock | 693 c619 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must rise to support the amendment. There is nothing more dreadful to a philosopher than...; Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 693 c619-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support that last contribution. Courts punish and their agents enforce the orde...; Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 693 c620 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have listened to the discussion with great interest. The amendment has been discussed la...; Baroness Stern | 693 c617 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, perhaps I may ask him whether he is therefore in favour o...; Lord Rosser | 693 c617 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am speaking to this amendment and have said that, when decisions are made in relation to...; Lord Judd | 693 c617 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before my noble friend sits down, on reflection, is he really saying that, if part of the ...; Lord Rosser | 693 c617 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I fear that this is getting somewhat repetitive, but it is a fact that, when courts make d...; Bishop of Liverpool | 693 c617-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. I should say at the outset that I am not squeamish about the word...; Lord Filkin | 693 c629-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to make a habit of interrupting when I feel that the noble Lord, Lord Wallace, ...; Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 693 c630 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have followed with much interest the public service reform of the past 20 years. I was g...; Lord Warner | 693 c628-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have to understand why things are being changed. Local services have had plenty of oppo...; Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 693 c629 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we now see the extent to which we are debating a key issue. We heard from the noble Lord, ...; Lord Filkin | 693 c626-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I regret delaying my noble friend on the Front Bench but this is an important amendment on...; Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 693 c627-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord has put the Government’s case very well: the system is not working well, so...; Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c622-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. I am sorry that he thinks that something so fundament...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c625-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 4: 4: Clause 3, page 3, line 21, leave out ““Secretary of State”” and insert “...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c621 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, would change the drafting of subsection ...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c621-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment has enabled the House to have a full discussion of the role of probation in ...; Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 693 c635 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am saying only that it sounds like that. Meanwhile, the Labour Benches are arguing for a...; Lord Rosser | 693 c635-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also cannot support the amendment. I will be brief, because much has already been said i...; Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 693 c636 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, has not the threat of this Bill caused a rapid increase, from 2 to10 per cent, in the farm...; Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 693 c634 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would deeply wish to be able to support the amendment, but in fact I oppose it, for quit...; Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 693 c634-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way. While she is right that for reoff...; Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 693 c635 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness makes a good point that community sentences are much more effective tha...; Lord Adebowale | 693 c630-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interestas chief executive of Turning Point, an organisation that provides se...; Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c632-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have listened with a certain amount of incredulity to what has been said because every s...; Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 693 c633-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we, too, support these amendments, as we supported this important principle of local commi...; Lord Dholakia | 693 c650 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will the Minister give an undertaking that this matter will be brought back at Third Readi...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c649-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a good deal of sympathy for the amendment’s objective. I am grateful to the noble L...; Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 693 c648-9 (Link to this contribution) moved AmendmentNo. 8: 8: After Clause 3, insert the following new Clause— ““Model contracts (1) Th...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c648 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 6 and 7: 6: Clause 3, page 3, line 36, leave out subsection (4) and insert— ...; Lord Tordoff | 693 c648 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must inform the House that, in the second Division today, 79 noble Lords voted Content, ...; Lord Judd | 693 c647-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank those who have spoken. In particular, may I say how much I value the support of th...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c647 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness is right: I have some experience in this area. I should have thought th...; Baroness Stern | 693 c647 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, perhaps I may ask a question as he has a lot of experienc...; Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c650 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very interested and glad to hear the noble Baroness mention the briefing prepared for...; Lord Hylton | 693 c650-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome the concept of having a moral contract; that can be only helpful. I would, howev...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 693 c637-41 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not know whether that makes the situation better or worse. Basket-weaving was the way...; Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c637 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with respect, I did not describe it as a basket amendment. I said that what was in it enab...; Lord Judd | 693 c644 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 5: 5: Clause 3, page 3, line 21, after ““arrangements”” insert ““for co-operat...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c641 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had an extensive debate. Of course, it is tempting to respond to each and every pe...; Baroness Turner of Camden | 693 c636-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in this interesting debate a number of noble Lords have spoken very highly of the Probatio...; Lord Rosser | 693 c636 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure whether the figure is 10 per cent but my noble friend may be able to comment...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 693 c637 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, yet again, we have had a fascinating debate. I say straightaway that I certainly do not ag...; Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 693 c637 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think that anyone in your Lordships’ House does not support the voluntary sector....; Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 693 c645 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was not going to speak on this amendment, because I did not think that there was anythin...; Baroness Stern | 693 c644-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had the great privilege of adding my name to the amendment tabled by the noble Lord, Lor...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c645-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there may be some differences among us over how commissioning will work—I was reflecting o...; Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 693 c653 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply and I thank all those who contributed to this helpful ...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 693 c651-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I say to the noble Baroness, Lady Stern, that we very much value that group of activists, ...; Lord Dholakia | 693 c654-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 10: 10: After Clause 3, insert the following new Clause— ““Charities (1) In ma...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c653-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 9: 9: After Clause 3, insert the following new Clause— ““Requirement for proba...; Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c656-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am instinctively concerned when I hear percentages put down because, as the noble Barone...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c655-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to Mr Paul Cavadino for meeting the noble Lord, Lord Dholakia, and me last w...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 693 c657-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I recognise the desire of the noble Lord, Lord Dholakia, to ensure that the voluntary sect...; Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 693 c657 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Ramsbotham has made a very important point. I am encouraged by the hi...; Lord Dholakia | 693 c658 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have participated in this short debate. I also thank the Minister ...; Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 693 c658 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 11: 11: Clause 4, page 4, line 12, leave out ““3(2)”” and insert ““3”” On Que...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c658 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg tomove that further consideration on Report be now adjourned, and in moving this Mot...; Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 693 c603-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 2: 2: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— ““Duty to co-operate Th...; Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 693 c605 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was unable to take part in the Committee stage, but I hope that noble Lords will forgive...; Lord Dholakia | 693 c606 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think that the noble Lord, Lord Filkin, has been harsh, he has just got hold of t...; Lord Warner | 693 c606-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise briefly to suggest that although I am strongly in favour of all parts of the United...; Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c607 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am extremely sorry that the noble Lord, Lord Warner, has used the word ““anachronistic””...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c603 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her comments. I understand the sentiment behind th...; Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 693 c602-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am aware that we shall not be detained long with this, but I rise to express my regret a...; Baroness Hayman | 693 c603 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister has sat down, but perhaps the noble Lord wants to speak.; Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c603 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intended to speak before but I was looking at my papers when the Minister rose. I entire...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 693 c608-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am delighted to see the noble Baroness, Lady Linklater, in her place. I assure her that ...; Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 693 c608 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I spoke to this amendment on the previous occasion and supported the aims behind it. I agr...; Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 693 c607-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not quite understand some of the comments that the noble Baroness, Lady Linklater, an...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 693 c602 (Link to this contribution) moved AmendmentNo. 1: 1: Clause 1, page 2, line 21, at end insert— ““““prison”” includes a young o...; Lord Filkin | 693 c605-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, not for the first time in my life I find myself in strong agreement with the noble Barones...; Lord Hylton | 693 c607 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment and will vote for it if it is pressed. The amendment is necessary...; Lord Warner | 693 c618-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, think that words are important. It is important that we also have regard to the fa...; Lord Slynn of Hadley | 693 c620 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not regard this amendment as simply raising a question of semantics or linguistics. I...; Baroness Stern | 693 c651 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a couple of remarks on the important issues raised about contracting with the volun...; Lord Ramsbotham | 693 c603 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not know whether it is in order to ask a question before the Minister concludes.
Subjects: Offenders Private sector Prisons Probation Voluntary organisations Young offenders Reoffenders Secure accommodation
Legislation: Offender Management Bill 2006-07
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Offender Management Bill

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