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Estimates day on Monday, 9 July 2007, in the House of Commons, led by Michael Jack. The answering member was Jonathan Shaw.

Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.

Main estimates 2007-08. Third estimates day (part two). Motion that, for the year ending with 31st March 2008, for expenditure by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs— (1) further resources, not exceeding £3,201,338,000, be authorised for use as set out in House of Commons Paper No. 438, (2) a further sum, not exceeding £2,731,293,000, be granted to Her Majesty out of the Consolidated Fund to meet the costs as so set out, and (3) limits as so set out be set on appropriations in aid. Question deferred. Resolved.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
462 c1250-89 
Session
2006-07
Department
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Procedure
Supply estimates
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Jonathan Shaw | 462 c1285-6 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes his point in his characteristic way. Senior DEFRA officials worked closely wit...
Jonathan Shaw | 462 c1287-9 (Link to this contribution) I do not have very long; I will not give way, if the hon. Gentleman does not mind. To achieve such ...
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Jonathan Shaw | 462 c1286-7 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman should wait for the outcome. He has levelled some detailed questions at me....
James Paice | 462 c1262 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I think that I am in a small minority, in that I cannot ref...
James Paice | 462 c1262 (Link to this contribution) Further to that point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Am I not right in saying that a Government respo...
James Paice | 462 c1260 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman might like to bring out the point that in his Committee’s report the then permane...
James Paice | 462 c1283-4 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry; I really do not have time. Next year, we have the health check of the CAP. The first pr...
James Paice | 462 c1279 (Link to this contribution) I declare my interest, which is set out in the Register of Members’ Interests, minuscule though it i...
James Paice | 462 c1279-83 (Link to this contribution) Not a lot more. May I welcome the Under-Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs,...
David Leslie Taylor | 462 c1260-1 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. We cannot refer to the response in any detail, but I shall come to a critic...
David Leslie Taylor | 462 c1260 (Link to this contribution) In my sad experience, people in the upper echelons of the civil service, and to an extent in local g...
David Drew | 462 c1271 (Link to this contribution) Once it became clear that the number of eligible people had been drastically under-calculated, we qu...
Michael Jack | 462 c1251 (Link to this contribution) In his normal perceptive way, the hon. Gentleman picks up on a number of themes of the report that I...
Speaker | 462 c1262 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that it is not for the Chair to decide on these matters. I understand that a report has ...
Speaker | 462 c1262 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has stated the position as far as the Committee and its report are concerned prec...
Michael Jack | 462 c1286 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is aware that his Department is planning for level cash as its income in the next compr...
Eric Martlew | 462 c1285 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend on his promotion, which is well deserved. He knows Carlisle well and i...
Jonathan Shaw | 462 c1284-5 (Link to this contribution) I thank hon. Members for their kind words of welcome to me in my new post. It is a privilege to have...
Kelvin Hopkins | 462 c1277-8 (Link to this contribution) By definition, if one has some degree of protection, that is not quite free trade. We have absolutel...
Bob Spink | 462 c1276 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is generous to give way, considering that I have just come into the Chamber. Whil...
Kelvin Hopkins | 462 c1276-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall come on to some of those points. I will make at least one of them quite strongly later, but ...
Roger Williams | 462 c1277 (Link to this contribution) If we had different forms of support in different countries, how could we have a common market and f...
Kelvin Hopkins | 462 c1276 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend the Minister on his appointment, and I look forward to many future deb...
Mark Todd | 462 c1275 (Link to this contribution) Indeed so. I accept that entirely. There are other areas to focus on, the first of which I have tou...
David Leslie Taylor | 462 c1275 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend and near neighbour for giving way. He has been talking about the hum...
Mark Todd | 462 c1274-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right. There were many opportunities to make the process simpler, even in some...
Roger Williams | 462 c1274 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that even if DEFRA had wanted to go down the dynamic hybrid route, it ...
Mark Todd | 462 c1274 (Link to this contribution) One might indeed say that. One can only speculate as to what advice was given on the implications of...
Michael Jack | 462 c1273 (Link to this contribution) Does this not raise a serious question as to the advice that was given to Ministers when the policy ...
Jonathan Shaw | 462 c1273 (Link to this contribution) I understand my hon. Friend’s frustration. He has saved the Department some money by not claiming. H...
Mark Todd | 462 c1273 (Link to this contribution) Indeed so, and all member states grappled with the dilemma of how to deal with rather small holdings...
David Drew | 462 c1271-2 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that I can answer that in practical terms, but it seemed to me that the system was som...
Mark Todd | 462 c1272-3 (Link to this contribution) I shall concentrate on the first of the two reports, partly because my period of service on the Comm...
Jonathan Shaw | 462 c1285 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for my hon. Friend’s words. He is right. What he have heard this evening is that a com...
David Leslie Taylor | 462 c1285 (Link to this contribution) We need to underline the fact that on each and every occasion, from the first visit of the rapporteu...
Kelvin Hopkins | 462 c1251 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman accept that, even in a purely urban constituency such as mine, constit...
Michael Jack | 462 c1250-1 (Link to this contribution) May I say how delighted I am that at last, following on from December 2002, the House has an opportu...
Mark Todd | 462 c1254 (Link to this contribution) One of the largest failures—probably the fundamental failure in this project—was that of risk analys...
Michael Jack | 462 c1254-5 (Link to this contribution) That person will certainly understand about risk, but I am not so certain about management. The hon....
David Leslie Taylor | 462 c1251 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. Friend—as I will call him—the Chair of our Select Committee for giving way. Ma...
Michael Jack | 462 c1252-4 (Link to this contribution) I concur entirely with everything that my hon. Friend has said. I will call him my hon. Friend, beca...
Peter Soulsby | 462 c1255-6 (Link to this contribution) The Government’s response to the Select Committee’s report on the Rural Payments Agency has not yet ...
Michael Jack | 462 c1255 (Link to this contribution) She got promotion, while the farming industry lost £20 million and DEFRA’s costs overran, with all t...
James Gray | 462 c1261 (Link to this contribution) Before the hon. Gentleman leaves the question of accountability, which I think he is about to, I ask...
David Leslie Taylor | 462 c1261-2 (Link to this contribution) I would be surprised if the Government’s response were along the lines the hon. Gentleman suggests. ...
David Leslie Taylor | 462 c1259-60 (Link to this contribution) I rise with some relief, having been contacted three or four hours ago by the Clerks of the Committe...
David Drew | 462 c1260 (Link to this contribution) I know that we cannot refer in any detail to the Government’s response to the Committee’s report, wh...
Anthony Steen | 462 c1257 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way again. Will he accept from me that there is ano...
Michael Jack | 462 c1258-9 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend tempts me into a debate on hill farming and upland activity, which I will resist. I h...
Michael Jack | 462 c1257 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, and there was also a request from the farming industry that horticultural land, for example,...
Jonathan Shaw | 462 c1257 (Link to this contribution) It is fair to say that originally there were two areas, but there was a request from the industry to...
Michael Jack | 462 c1257 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for my hon. Friend’s observations, but one of the problems that the single payment sch...
Anthony Steen | 462 c1257 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend may be aware that part of my constituency is Dartmoor national park. The hill f...
Michael Jack | 462 c1257 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s comments. I am sure we will continue to get candour, wh...
David Leslie Taylor | 462 c1256 (Link to this contribution) Does the House agree that it is a great pity that Hansard will not be able to reflect fully the righ...
Michael Jack | 462 c1256 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman. I recall, however, that Lord Rooker was careful not to go too far. ...
Mark Todd | 462 c1256 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Gentleman for giving way again. Does he share my view on the subsequent episo...
Michael Jack | 462 c1256 (Link to this contribution) Again, I agree with the hon. Gentleman’s analysis. That is why the importance of the report goes wel...
Michael Jack | 462 c1269 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman refers to the effectiveness of the document, but the only measurable effect was a...
Roger Williams | 462 c1269 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman makes a good point. There was indeed a reduction in pillar two expenditure ...
David Drew | 462 c1269-70 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to follow my fellow members of the Select Committee, who are clearly dominating the d...
Peter Soulsby | 462 c1270-1 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend made a telling point about the failure to predict the number of applications, but doe...
Philip Dunne | 462 c1271 (Link to this contribution) Was not one of the Committee’s warnings to do with the mapping system and the fact that many mapping...
Philip Dunne | 462 c1267 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that it is little short of astonishing that the chief executive of the...
Roger Williams | 462 c1265-7 (Link to this contribution) As the right hon. Member for Fylde (Mr. Jack) said, it is a great pleasure to debate agriculture on ...
Richard Bacon | 462 c1267 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for Ludlow (Mr. Dunne) and I have just listened to the former chief execut...
Roger Williams | 462 c1267 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman. With failure on the horizon and the farming community in desperatio...
Roger Williams | 462 c1267-8 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman. There seemed to be a lack of accountability and clarity about who w...
David Leslie Taylor | 462 c1264 (Link to this contribution) That is true. One of the costs of giving priority to the 2006 claims process was leaving 20,000 farm...
Jonathan Shaw | 462 c1264 (Link to this contribution) I should like to inform hon. Members that my noble Friend Lord Rooker holds his weekly surgery tomor...
David Leslie Taylor | 462 c1264-5 (Link to this contribution) One of the most useful initiatives taken when my noble Friend took over as Minister with responsibil...
James Gray | 462 c1264 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the hon. Gentleman is right in saying that the system is much more customer focused and ...
David Leslie Taylor | 462 c1264 (Link to this contribution) That is true for a minority of the 120,000 or so claims. I was citing the NFU reaction, which is rec...
Peter Soulsby | 462 c1263 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that my hon. Friend recalls that Accenture’s contract was worth something in the region of...
David Leslie Taylor | 462 c1263 (Link to this contribution) That is indeed unfortunate. I have just looked at the date on the report: 21 March 2007. A quick cal...
Peter Soulsby | 462 c1262 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that it is most unfortunate that the Government’s response to this importa...
David Leslie Taylor | 462 c1262 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and in reaction to that point, I shall move on.
Michael Jack | 462 c1264 (Link to this contribution) However, there are still 20,000 farmers with 2005 payments who do not know whether they received the...
David Leslie Taylor | 462 c1263-4 (Link to this contribution) I agree. Accenture’s role in the matter has been underestimated, and it should be held responsible i...
Kelvin Hopkins | 462 c1283 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
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Agriculture Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs EU budget Farmers Prices Common agricultural policy Rural areas Rural Payments Agency Subsidies
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