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Debate on bill and Committee of the Whole House (HL) on Monday, 18 February 2008, in the House of Lords.

Children and Young Persons Bill [HL]

Children and Young Persons Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage on Recommitment. Amendment 10 disagreed to on division (127 to 105). Part 1 of 2 records.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
699 c13-23; 699 c37-81 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department for Children, Schools and Families
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Boston of Faversham | 699 c58 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord does not need to move anything because the Question has already been indicated from t...
Baroness Walmsley | 699 c80 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply and all other noble Lords who have taken part in the debate. The ...
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Lord Adonis | 699 c80-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 19: 19: Clause 11, page 8, leave out lines 16 to 21 The noble Lord said: I sh...
Baroness Crawley | 699 c81 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now adjourn during pleasure for 10 minutes. Moved accordi...
Lord Rix | 699 c79 (Link to this contribution) Speaking from first-hand experience and as president of Mencap—and I know a great number of children...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 699 c79 (Link to this contribution) I was sorry to disappoint the noble Baroness, Lady Howarth of Breckland, but I spoke on this matter ...
Lord Adonis | 699 c79-80 (Link to this contribution) A statutory duty is placed on local authorities to ascertain, and give due consideration to, the wis...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 699 c53-4 (Link to this contribution) I was thinking that we were on Report and that I could not speak to the amendment again, but then I ...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 699 c53 (Link to this contribution) I, too, enthusiastically support the amendment; the case has been put very trenchantly by the noble ...
Baroness Meacher | 699 c54 (Link to this contribution) I am not moving Amendment No. 50 at this stage, because it was wrongly grouped. I am sorry.
Lord Adonis | 699 c54 (Link to this contribution) We fully share the concerns expressed to enable as many children as possible to remain at home with ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 699 c52-3 (Link to this contribution) We strongly supported amendments in Grand Committee to provide a framework for family and friends ca...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 699 c57 (Link to this contribution) Supplementary to that, will individual local authorities find themselves making very different decis...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 699 c56 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my noble friend for that response and his promise of a letter to me. I simply ...
Lord Adonis | 699 c55-6 (Link to this contribution) I wondered why the noble Baroness was in her place but did not speak to her amendment. I thought tha...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 699 c57 (Link to this contribution) Will the amendment to Section 17 promoted by the Government include non-kinship? I gave the example ...
Lord Adonis | 699 c56-7 (Link to this contribution) I fully take on board the point made by my noble friend. I shall certainly look into the issues that...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 699 c58 (Link to this contribution) In the mean time, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendmen...
Lord Adonis | 699 c58 (Link to this contribution) I am always happy to meet my noble friend and other noble Lords who have particular issues to raise,...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 699 c57-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response, which I think included a number of good things. I also thank ...
Lord Adonis | 699 c57 (Link to this contribution) I will certainly look at the matter that the noble Baroness has raised.
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 699 c57 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister comment on my question concerning whether kinship care could become a key performan...
Lord Adonis | 699 c57 (Link to this contribution) It will probably be best if I write to the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss, setting ou...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 699 c61-2 (Link to this contribution) This new clause, which draws together the different issues that a local authority must take into acc...
Lord Adonis | 699 c58-61 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful. That makes it clear what I am doing. In essence, I am speaking to the government...
Lord Adonis | 699 c58 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure in which order I should move the amendments in this group. I want to move that we leav...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 699 c62 (Link to this contribution) I shall raise something completely different. I have a small but, I think, significant amendment to ...
Baroness Walmsley | 699 c63-5 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for explaining to us these significant new amendments. I am also ...
Lord Rix | 699 c63 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the Government’s recognition of the particular needs of disabled children and young people...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 699 c66-7 (Link to this contribution) Unlike the proposed new clause before Clause 7 that we discussed earlier, this group of amendments i...
Lord Judd | 699 c65-6 (Link to this contribution) I would like to place on record my warm appreciation of the Minister’s response to what was argued i...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 699 c67-9 (Link to this contribution) Other Members of the Committee have made most of the points I would have made, particularly some of ...
Earl of Listowel | 699 c67 (Link to this contribution) I, too, thank the Government for their hard and welcome efforts in major surgery on this Bill. I als...
Lord Adonis | 699 c69-71 (Link to this contribution) I have been asked a number of detailed questions about the particular intents of certain aspects of ...
Earl of Listowel | 699 c69 (Link to this contribution) I apologise, but I omitted to put a couple of specific questions to the Minister, and I want to corr...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 699 c71 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his explanation. I want just to ask who is going to put this into English f...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 699 c73 (Link to this contribution) The Minister did not react to my comment about proposed new Section 22C(7)(c) and about the provisio...
Lord Adonis | 699 c73 (Link to this contribution) The paragraph refers only to children who are in care. Therefore the person with whom they are place...
Lord Adonis | 699 c71-2 (Link to this contribution) I thought that it was crystal clear. At least putting all these provisions into one clause makes it ...
Lord Judd | 699 c77-8 (Link to this contribution) I rise very warmly to support the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, in her amendment. I hope my noble f...
Baroness Walmsley | 699 c75-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 16: 16: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause— ““Provision of commu...
Lord Adonis | 699 c74-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 15: 15: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause— ““Provision of accom...
Lord Adonis | 699 c73-4 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that I failed to respond to the noble Baroness’s point but I can give her the complete re...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 699 c78 (Link to this contribution) I wish to express my disappointment at the comment made by the noble Baroness, Lady Morris. I am sur...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 699 c78 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, knows that I have every sympathy with her on these amendments. I ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 699 c78-9 (Link to this contribution) I strongly support both amendments. As someone who has had the benefit of an improved hearing facili...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 699 c14 (Link to this contribution) It is normal practice for the recommitment of the Bill to follow Questions. The Statement will be ta...
Baroness Greengross | 699 c49 (Link to this contribution) I too support the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, because I have met so many grandpare...
Baroness Crawley | 699 c81 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume and that the Committee stage does not begin again before ...
Lord Adonis | 699 c42-3 (Link to this contribution) The Government share the concerns of the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, that have given rise to the am...
Earl of Listowel | 699 c43 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may ask the Minister a question to which I am sure I should know the answer. What is the c...
Lord Adonis | 699 c44 (Link to this contribution) IROs have the power to report to senior managers where actions from a review are not being carried o...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 699 c44 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his thorough and thoughtful answer on the amendment and I thank all noble L...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 699 c51-2 (Link to this contribution) I too strongly support the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Massey. As the incoming president o...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 699 c52 (Link to this contribution) I want to express the support of these Benches for Amendments Nos. 11 and 12. We have spoken at some...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 699 c46-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 11: 11: Before Clause 7, insert the following new Clause— ““Support for family...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 699 c48-9 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment, particularly in relation to payment for kinship care. I have had huge exper...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 699 c49-51 (Link to this contribution) My name is on this amendment also. I should like to ask my noble friend some financial questions tha...
Baroness Walmsley | 699 c38-9 (Link to this contribution) I support the principle behind the amendments because these children have already experienced enormo...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 699 c39-40 (Link to this contribution) While I have sympathy with the intent of the amendment, I have some concerns about it. I want to fre...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 699 c37-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 10: 10: Before Clause 7, insert the following new Clause— ““Reviews for social...
Earl of Listowel | 699 c42 (Link to this contribution) I have a brief observation: it occurs to me that sometimes it is necessary to change the social work...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 699 c41 (Link to this contribution) I find myself in great sympathy with and full of respect for practically everything that has been sa...
Lord Northbourne | 699 c41-2 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. My experience of children in care is infinitely less than that of my noble ...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 699 c41 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for intervening but, for clarification—I am sure that my noble friend did not mean this—...
Earl of Listowel | 699 c40 (Link to this contribution) I warmly thank the noble Baroness, Lady Morris of Bolton, for bringing this proposal back. These chi...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 699 c40-1 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the amendment. As we all know, it has arisen because there have been far too many ca...
Lord Adonis | 699 c15-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 8: 8: Before Clause 7, insert the following new Clause— ““Well-being of childr...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 699 c16 (Link to this contribution) As we are discussing the first of the Government's significant changes to the Bill, I thank the Mini...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 699 c16-8 (Link to this contribution) I echo the noble Baroness’s thanks to the Minister for his very careful response to all the points t...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 699 c19 (Link to this contribution) This substantive new clause was proposed by the Government after we completed the Committee stage or...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 699 c20 (Link to this contribution) I, too, welcome these amendments and I commend the Minister for his careful perusal of the detail th...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 699 c21 (Link to this contribution) I, too, congratulate the Government on the major thrust of the amendments. They seem to have taken i...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 699 c21 (Link to this contribution) I, too, welcome the new clause. It is, indeed, a sea change. It may not bring about something rich a...
Lord Adonis | 699 c21-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for all the complimentary remarks that have been made, both about me personally and ab...
Baroness Crawley | 699 c23 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to. ...
Lord Adonis | 699 c13 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now resolve itself into Committee (on Recommitment) on thi...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 699 c13 (Link to this contribution) Before Amendment No. 1 is moved, I should like to make a wider point about the Bill and pre-legislat...
Lord Adonis | 699 c14 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 2: 2: Clause 4, page 4, line 5, leave out ““(4)”” and insert ““(9)”” The nobl...
Lord Adonis | 699 c13 (Link to this contribution) As my noble friend the Chief Whip made clear, there were exceptional circumstances with regard to th...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 699 c14 (Link to this contribution) Has the Minister given notice to others that the recommitment is to start immediately following Ques...
Lord Adonis | 699 c14 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 3 and 4: 3: Clause 4, page 4, leave out lines 6 to 9 and insert— ““““(10) Th...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 699 c73 (Link to this contribution) I was most impressed by the Minister as he guided us through Section 22. He has missed his calling a...
Earl of Listowel | 699 c19-20 (Link to this contribution) I am still digesting the impact of this proposed new clause, but on the face of it the provision is ...
Subjects
Education Children Child tax credit Child benefit Children in care Carers Families Drugs Protection Misuse Regulation Social services Training Young people Social work Social workers Care leavers Kinship care
Legislation
Children and Young Persons Bill (HL) 2007-08
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