Debate on bill on Tuesday, 11 March 2008, in the House of Lords.

Climate Change Bill [HL]

Climate Change Bill (HL). Lords report stage third day. Amendment 106 agreed to on division (179 votes to 147). Amendment 131 agreed to on division (160 votes to 137). Part 1 of 2 records.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 699 c1401-69
Session: 2007-08
Department: Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Legislative stage: Report stage
Procedure: New clauses
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Climate Change Bill (HL). As amended in Committee.
Monday, 4 February 2008
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House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Lord Puttnam | 699 c1408-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, to sponsor an amendment against one’s own Government is a very serious business. In more t...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1407-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not intend to be shot down by the noble Lord, but I do intend to continue my speech. ...; Lord Crickhowell | 699 c1410-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with one thing that the noble Lord, Lord Puttnam, who so admirably chaired the Joi...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1406-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I see this as a fundamental amendment with wide support across the House. I will not furth...; Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 699 c1407 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, would the limit apply to the purchase of emissions from elsewhere in the European Union? I...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1407 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be asking questions about how the Minister sees the particular cap on limits workin...; Lord Clinton-Davis | 699 c1407 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when the noble Lord replied to my noble friend, he said, ““That will be apparent””, or wor...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1404 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 102: 102: Clause 19, page 10, line 30, at end insert— ““( ) As soon as is reas...; Lord Teverson | 699 c1404-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 106: 106: Before Clause 21, insert the following new Clause— ““UK domestic eff...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1404 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 97: 97: Clause 19, page 10, line 23, leave out subsection (2) On Question, am...; Lord Redesdale | 699 c1404 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, may I say how welcome the government amendments are? We welcome the way in which the Minis...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1402-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope I can dispel doubts about this. First, I shall comment on Amendments Nos. 96 and 98...; Earl Cathcart | 699 c1402 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these amendments focus on a crucial area of the Bill: namely, exactly what gases we will c...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1401 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the Bill be now further considered on Report. Moved accordingly, and, ...; Lord Redesdale | 699 c1401-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 96: 96: Clause 19, page 10, line 20, leave out paragraphs (a) and (b) and inse...; Baroness Young of Old Scone | 699 c1418-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the spirit of the amendment, but perhaps not its exact words. I declare an inter...; Lord Redesdale | 699 c1417-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is the first opportunity I have had to congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Stern, on hi...; Duke of Montrose | 699 c1413 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I realise that the noble Lord has to produce figures to support his argument, but would he...; Lord Turner of Ecchinswell | 699 c1413-4 (Link to this contribution) It would, my Lords, but I would not want the Committee on Climate Change to be constrained from argu...; Lord Puttnam | 699 c1411 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was not suggesting a lower cap; I was suggesting a higher cap. The effect of the amendme...; Lord Turner of Ecchinswell | 699 c1411-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with the aims of the amendment but I will nevertheless arg...; Lord Dearing | 699 c1415 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had not intended to speak on the amendment, but will do so briefly. The noble Lord, Lord...; Lord Stern of Brentford | 699 c1415-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should declare an interest in that I advise HSBC and the IDEAglobal Group on emissions r...; Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 699 c1414-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is understandable that the noble Lord, Lord Turner, given his position as chairman of t...; Lord Desai | 699 c1415 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have not spoken previously in the debate, so I apologise to the House for speaking. Firs...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1439-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we appreciate the fact that the Government have gone a long way to try to address our conc...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1438 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 123: 123: Schedule 1, page 38, line 18, after ““science”” insert ““, and other...; Lord Teverson | 699 c1438-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 131: 131: Schedule 1, page 40, line 16, at end insert— ““The Climate Change Ad...; Baroness Young of Old Scone | 699 c1441-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am always hesitant to stand up in your Lordships’ House and talk about adaptation, becau...; Lord Crickhowell | 699 c1442-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, for missing the first couple of minutes of h...; Lord Puttnam | 699 c1440-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. One of the hallmarks of any successful organisation—the Governmen...; Lord Avebury | 699 c1441 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, last week we had a very interesting debate on the overseas territories in respect of the N...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1438 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful for the welcome given to these amendments. I say to the right reverend ...; Lord Avebury | 699 c1445 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, could I ask the Minister to respond to what I said about the national audit committee’s re...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1445-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not criticise the noble Lord for not being present but I have said repeatedly that th...; Baroness Byford | 699 c1446 (Link to this contribution) My Lords—; Lord Davies of Oldham | 699 c1446 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is Report. We have had two interventions since the Minister sat down. That is quite e...; Baroness Byford | 699 c1446 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is difficult because the Minister did not respond to the noble Lord, Lord Puttnam, on t...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1446 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I said, I do not want to make a big thing about this. The example that my noble friend ...; Lord Teverson | 699 c1446 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response. Given the very positive view that he gave in Commit...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1449 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 132: 132: Schedule 1, page 40, line 29, leave out sub-paragraph (2) On Questi...; Lord Puttnam | 699 c1445 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there may be a misunderstanding here on which I may help the Minister. It was certainly no...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1443-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I take that last point personally, to be honest. The Minister for Climate Change, Phil Woo...; Earl Ferrers | 699 c1420 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hesitate to take part in this debate at all. Noble Lords who have taken part have been e...; Lord Turnbull | 699 c1419-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, welcome the fact that the noble Lord, Lord Stern, has joined our discussions. As w...; Lord Teverson | 699 c1424 (Link to this contribution) My Lords—; Lord Rooker | 699 c1420-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had a fascinating debate and I am very grateful for the contributions that have be...; Lord Teverson | 699 c1424 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am astounded by the statement that the Minister made. Neither Europe nor the Government ...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1424 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, may I finish this response? Then I will gladly give way to the noble Lord. How would we k...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1424-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not saying that. Let me go back to what I have just referred to. The practical effect...; Earl Ferrers | 699 c1426 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, can he answer my anxieties about costs and bureaucracy?; Lord Rooker | 699 c1426 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot comment on the interpretation of the Prime Minister’s speech. To answer the first...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c1449 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 133: 133: Schedule 1, page 40, line 38, at end insert ““apart from the taking ...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1449-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to both amendments, as they seem to address the same issue. They attempt to ...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1450-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I respond to the amendment, I want to say to the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, who is n...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1454 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for that response. We have been debating these issues for a number ...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1451-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 135: 135: Schedule 1, page 40, line 38, at end insert— ““The Committee must ta...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c1451 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment was essentially a probing one to establish whether the Government had any co...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1453-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I were in a belligerent mood I would say that we are coming close to trying to microman...; Lord Redesdale | 699 c1452 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when I first read the amendments, the one tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Taylor, looked mu...; Lord Desai | 699 c1459 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Campbell-Savours gave the analogy of the Monetary Policy Committee, b...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1459-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to noble friend Lord Campbell-Savours. He has taken time to consider this an...; Earl Cathcart | 699 c1457-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendments empower the committee to make decisions on budgets. They lift the committee...; Lord Teverson | 699 c1458-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is indeed an interesting set of amendments. Since the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savou...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1463 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have tabled our own amendments to a similar effect, which we think provide a slightly b...; Lord Teverson | 699 c1462-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 142: 142: Clause 27, page 14, line 19, at end insert— ““( ) whether Government...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1462 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 141: 141: Clause 27, page 14, line 19, leave out ““and”” On Question, amendme...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c1461-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am indebted to my noble friend for his comprehensive response. I am sure that it will be...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1460-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it depends. If the climate change committee gives advice and the Secretary of State agrees...; Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 699 c1463-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is fair to say that we have sympathy with the comments made by the noble Lord, Lord Tev...; Lord Teverson | 699 c1464 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for her response and I welcome her back to the Climate Change Bill. I...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1464 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 143: 143: Clause 27, page 14, line 23, at beginning insert ““individually and”...; Lord Teverson | 699 c1464-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment makes complete sense, as the noble Lord, Lord Taylor, has said. Whether we ...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1465 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we discussed Amendment No. 143 in Committee and I have not got a lot more to add to what w...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1466 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 144: 144: Clause 27, page 14, line 24, at end insert ““, and ( ) the sectors o...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1465-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. To some degree our amendments arise out of a belief t...; Lord Teverson | 699 c1466 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 152: 152: Clause 27, page 14, line 37, at end insert— ““(4A) It is the duty of...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1466 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 151: 151: Clause 27, page 14, line 35, leave out ““September”” and insert ““De...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1466 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 156: 156: Clause 27, page 15, line 4, leave out subsection (7) On Question, a...; Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 699 c1466-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 157: 157: Clause 28, page 15, line 13, leave out from ““on”” to end of line 15...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1468 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is pleasing that the Government have recognised the need to make changes to the Bill’s ...; Baroness Hayman | 699 c1468 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in putting the question on Amendment No. 157, I must inform the House that if it is agreed...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1469 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned. In moving the Motion ...; Lord Teverson | 699 c1468 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these amendments make a major difference. They look very small and innocent but they are a...; Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 699 c1468 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may quickly respond. We need to be clear that when we are asking the Committee o...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1432-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 114: 114: Clause 23, page 12, line 37, leave out subsection (5) and insert— ““...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1432 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 112: 112: Clause 23, page 12, line 27, leave out ““or”” and insert— ““(aa) the...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1431-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the noble Lord said, this group of amendments deals with the carbon accounting system e...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1432 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response. It is agreeable to note that the Government have li...; Lord Teverson | 699 c1427 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been an interesting and passionate debate, for which I thank your Lordships. I am...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1430 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 107: 107: Clause 21, page 11, line 14, at end insert— ““( ) Regulations specif...; Lord Crickhowell | 699 c1426 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. On the point about Clause 27, he will have...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1426 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot in the detail that the noble Earl asks me for; I can do so only in the sense that...; Baroness Byford | 699 c1437 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for bringing forward these two amendments. I shall not repeat what th...; Duke of Montrose | 699 c1437-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we thank the Government for bringing these amendments forward. They address a concern that...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1434-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 122: 122: Schedule 1, page 38, line 16, after ““policy”” insert ““at national ...; Bishop of Liverpool | 699 c1435-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment No. 122 is very significant. There is much appreciation on these Benches for the...; Lord Avebury | 699 c1436-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we, too, welcome the amendments, with perhaps two and a half cheers, for much the same rea...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1433 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 116: 116: Clause 25, page 13, line 13, leave out subsections (1) to (4) and in...; Viscount Ullswater | 699 c1433 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I regret to inform the House that as Amendment No. 116 has been agreed to, I cannot call A...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1433-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 119: 119: Clause 25, page 13, line 39, leave out subsection (7) The noble Lor...; Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1434 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had many fruitful debates on Clause 25. We recognise that securing appropriate reg...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1434 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 120 and 121: 120: After Clause 25, insert the following new Clause— ““Consul...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c1454-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 139: 139: Clause 27, page 14, line 11, leave out ““advise the Secretary of Sta...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1404 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 104: 104: Clause 20, page 11, line 4, leave out subsection (3) and insert— ““(...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 699 c1426 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are at Report stage. We have had two interventions on the Minister since he sat down. I...; Lord Puttnam | 699 c1425-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that my noble friend accepts that I listened carefully to what he said. There was a...; Lord Rooker | 699 c1454 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 136: 136: Schedule 1, page 42, line 29, at end insert— ““Publication of advice...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c1460 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on that very matter, Parliament would have the right to the affirmative procedure, but it ...
Subjects: Disclosure of information Aviation Climate change Committees Environment protection EU emissions trading scheme Standards Carbon emissions Shipping Climate Change Committee Greenhouse gas emissions Methane
Legislation: Climate Change Bill (HL) 2007-08
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Climate Change Bill [HL]

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