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Debate on bill on Wednesday, 26 March 2008, in the House of Lords.

Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill

Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill. Lords report stage first day. Part 2 of 2 records.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
700 c604-22 
Session
2007-08
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c616 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 21: 21: Schedule 2, page 138, line 9, leave out from ““ways”” to end of line 1...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 700 c616 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is unfortunately a parting of the ways and the philosophy here and we will not overc...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c615-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my advice is that the standing committee is wrong on that. I am happy to set it out in mor...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c615 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this question is based on the briefing of the Standing Committee for Youth Justice. I am s...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c614-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the court can deal with failure in any one of the following ways. As a result of governmen...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c614 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, let me explain. The noble Lord said that all you can do is impose another YRO. But you cou...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c614 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure that I follow the noble Lord.
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c614 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, am I not right in thinking that a YRO is imposed where a criminal offence has been committ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c614 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the heart of the argument is that if we were to accept the amendment, in practice it would...
Earl of Onslow | 700 c614 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will help the noble Lord out by saying that the Government have form on this; it is call...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c621 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 30: 30: Schedule 4, page 173, line 27, leave out ““(A1),”” The noble Lord sai...
Lord Kingsland | 700 c620 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister for his reply, but I cannot disguise my dismay at heari...
Lord Bach | 700 c622 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that consideration on Report be now adjourned. Moved accordingly, and, on Q...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c621-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 31 to 34: 31: Schedule 4, page 174, line 21, at end insert— ““77A In section...
Lord Kingsland | 700 c618 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think every responsible officer should have a copy of the speech of the noble Lord, Lord...
Lord Bach | 700 c617-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that by the time I finish speaking, the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, will think that...
Lord Bach | 700 c619-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall attempt to answer the noble Lord’s persuasive case—persuasive as far as the office...
Lord Kingsland | 700 c618-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 27: 27: Clause 5, page 4, line 14, at end insert ““written”” The noble Lord s...
Lord Kingsland | 700 c616-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 26: 26: Clause 5, page 4, line 6, after ““offender’s”” insert ““, or his immed...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c616 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 24 and 25: 24: Schedule 2, page 139, line 40, leave out ““either”” and inser...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c613-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is not the view of the Government. The context of YROs is that they are there to prov...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c613 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness and I welcome the opportunity to debate again the brea...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c613 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the Minister consider it to be absolutely contrary to principle that you should have ...
Lord Bach | 700 c612 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 17 and 18: 17: Schedule 2, page 134, line 36, at end insert ““(in a case not...
Lord Bach | 700 c611-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 16: 16: Schedule 2, page 134, line 31, at end insert— ““(1A) But sub-paragraph...
Lord Kingsland | 700 c612 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister not only for the amendments but for the extremely generous way in whi...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 700 c610-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken, bringing to bear on this matter their gr...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c611 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 15: 15: Schedule 1, page 130, line 12, leave out ““12”” and insert ““6”” On Q...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c609-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think that I said ““very serious””; I said that I thought that there was a patchy...
Baroness Stern | 700 c610 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister sits down, perhaps I may ask a brief question for elucidation. Is he s...
Lord Judd | 700 c607 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am glad to support the amendment for the straightforward reason that it is about rehabil...
Baroness Stern | 700 c607-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support these amendments, which get to the heart of one of our concerns about youth just...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c608-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that was an interesting discussion. What might have been a rather technical debate has pro...
Earl of Onslow | 700 c609 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister has said that there are very serious geographical differences. Have those bee...
Earl of Onslow | 700 c605-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at yesterday's meeting, some people called CAMHS, of whom I had never heard before, floate...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 700 c606 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I add to what the noble Earl, Lord Onslow, said about CAMHS, as that has been mentioned. I...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 700 c606-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I too shall add a few words here. I was at the meeting last night and was impressed by the...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 700 c604 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 14: 14: Schedule 1, page 128, line 6, at end insert— ““Emotional and intellect...
Lord Ramsbotham | 700 c605 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very glad that the amendment has come back. In Committee, when we were discussing the...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c610 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am happy to consider that matter. If there are shortcomings that the noble Baroness can ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 700 c612-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 20: 20: Schedule 2, page 136, line 44, leave out sub-paragraphs (12) to (16) ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c614 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the Standing Committee for Youth Justice correct when it says that a more serious punis...
Subjects
Criminal proceedings Administration of justice Rehabilitation Young offenders Community orders Youth rehabilitation orders
Legislation
Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill 2006-07 to 2007-08
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