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Debate on bill and Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Monday, 28 April 2008, in the House of Commons.

Finance Bill

Finance Bill. Committee stage first day. (Clauses Nos 3, 5, 6, 15, 21, 49, 90 and 117 and new Clauses amending section 74 of the Finance Act 2003.) Clause 5 agreed to, with an amendment debated and negatived on division (193 votes to 296). Amendment to Clause 6 debated and negatived on division (68 votes to 302). Clause 6 agreed to on division (303 votes to 212). Clause 21 agreed to, with an amendment debated and negatived on division (221 votes to 309). Amendment to Clause 3 debated and negatived on division (264 votes to 307). Clause 3 agreed to on division (304 votes to 262).

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
475 c22-136 
Session
2007-08
Department
Treasury
Legislative stage
Committee stage
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House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Mark Hoban | 475 c22 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 1, in clause 5, page 2, line 36, leave out '21%' and insert '20%'.
Mark Hoban | 475 c22-5 (Link to this contribution) Amendments Nos. 1 and 2 would reduce the small companies rate of corporation tax to 20 per cent. and...
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Lord Redwood | 475 c33-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman must have forgotten that I am a Conservative MP, so I do not share his unease at ...
Brooks Newmark | 475 c34-5 (Link to this contribution) Before I begin my speech, I wish to draw Members' attention to my entry in the Register of Members' ...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c33 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way to me a second time. Does he share my uneas...
Lord Redwood | 475 c32 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right, and it can be deduced from his argument that we need to lower tax and r...
Brooks Newmark | 475 c32 (Link to this contribution) We might quip that the way in which to create a small business under new Labour is to start with a b...
Lord Redwood | 475 c31-2 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. Ministers must know from their conversations, as he and I know from our con...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c32 (Link to this contribution) It should also be borne in mind that nearly every large business that employs vast numbers of people...
Lord Redwood | 475 c30-1 (Link to this contribution) I am a company director and a shareholder in companies, as I have declared in the register, but not,...
Brooks Newmark | 475 c31 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate my right hon. Friend's comments about the Laffer curve, which I have gone on and on abo...
Stewart Hosie | 475 c28-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Fareham (Mr. Hoban) asked whether I would be likely to support him on amendment ...
Lord Redwood | 475 c29 (Link to this contribution) It is heart warming to hear that the hon. Gentleman is such an advocate of lower taxes on business—a...
Stewart Hosie | 475 c29-30 (Link to this contribution) We have focused our attention historically on the main companies rate, which we want to see reduced ...
Jim Cunningham | 475 c26 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for coming in a little late—the hon. Gentleman might have already answered this question...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c27-8 (Link to this contribution) This is my first Finance Bill Committee, and I admit to a degree of trepidation as I embark on this ...
Stewart Hosie | 475 c25 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman perceive a contradiction in Government policy in relation to the annual inve...
Mark Hoban | 475 c25 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes, as he often does, a perceptive comment. There is a problem with that sort ...
Lord Redwood | 475 c25 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a powerful case. Does he believe that it is even more interesting that the ...
Lord Redwood | 475 c39 (Link to this contribution) Does the Financial Secretary not accept that someone who had incorporated in order to take advantage...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c39 (Link to this contribution) The difference in the tax burden for those who are incorporated and those who are unincorporated is ...
Brooks Newmark | 475 c39 (Link to this contribution) We face difficult economic times, and I am trying to understand the logic of increasing taxation in ...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c40-1 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Exchequer Secretary reminds me that a figure of 700,000 new businesses is not a d...
Lord Redwood | 475 c41 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister explain how it came to pass that the previous Chancellor created such an unfair sy...
Lord Redwood | 475 c35 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend be extending the argument that the Government's concern seems odd, because someo...
Brooks Newmark | 475 c36 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes an excellent point; the Government's lack of consistency bedevils many bu...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c36-8 (Link to this contribution) It has been an interesting debate to warm us up for later proceedings. The right hon. Member for Wok...
Mark Hoban | 475 c38-9 (Link to this contribution) The Financial Secretary's arguments are reminiscent of those used by her predecessor in the debate l...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c39 (Link to this contribution) It is too early to say what the total impact of last year's proposals will be. I shall commission wo...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c52-3 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is entirely right. Many small business people regard the businesses that they are bui...
Mark Field | 475 c53 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that my hon. Friend is coming to the end of his comments and he is making a very good c...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c53-4 (Link to this contribution) Of course simplification of the tax system is a good thing in itself, but not at any cost. We have e...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c54-5 (Link to this contribution) This feature of the Bill is a classic example of what a Government do when they are driven by politi...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c55 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept that in the world in which we actually live, where both capital and m...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c55 (Link to this contribution) I understand the hon. Gentleman's point, but I return him to the point that there is a large amount ...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c52 (Link to this contribution) I am always interested to hear the hon. Gentleman's comments at the Dispatch Box, but I want to pres...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c51-2 (Link to this contribution) As I have said, what we are trying to do is persuade the Government to go back to the drawing board ...
Brian Binley | 475 c52 (Link to this contribution) The Minister seems to have no compassion for entrepreneurs who have run their businesses for a long ...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c52 (Link to this contribution) Actually, the Government got themselves into this mess by meddling with a vital part of the business...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c61 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that even if taper relief had outlived its usefulness—I do not believe tha...
Brooks Newmark | 475 c61 (Link to this contribution) As always, my hon. Friend makes an excellent point. We made that point in the debate on the previous...
Robert Smith | 475 c58 (Link to this contribution) The Chancellor used the pre-Budget report to launch his bombshell, when the whole point of the pre-B...
Brooks Newmark | 475 c58-61 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes an excellent point that supports my argument. The second canard in play he...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c61 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that what we are discussing is a vital part of making, and keeping, Britai...
Mark Field | 475 c55 (Link to this contribution) Is not the problem with what the hon. Gentleman is suggesting the fact that that mobile wealth creat...
Brooks Newmark | 475 c56-8 (Link to this contribution) Clause 6 sets the stage for the first of this year's U-turns from the Chancellor and I hope that we ...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c56 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman asks which U-turn; I shall come to many of the others later in our deliberations....
Brooks Newmark | 475 c62 (Link to this contribution) A well-timed intervention. As I was saying, the Chancellor must decide which road he wants to follo...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 475 c62 (Link to this contribution) Order. I should be grateful if the hon. Member for Braintree (Mr. Newmark) confined his remarks to t...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c62-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Runnymede and Weybridge (Mr. Hammond) was rather skating on thin ice, as he drew...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c62 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman briefly mention which of the three main UK-wide parties have the highest per...
Brooks Newmark | 475 c61-2 (Link to this contribution) I must agree with my hon. Friend—it shows almost the contempt in which the Government hold small bus...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c41 (Link to this contribution) As I have said, and as the right hon. Gentleman will remember, the intention of the changes that hav...
Mark Hoban | 475 c41-2 (Link to this contribution) First, I want to say something to the hon. Member for Taunton (Mr. Browne), who, to use the words of...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 475 c42 (Link to this contribution) Order. I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the No Lobby.
Mark Field | 475 c48 (Link to this contribution) Is there not a problem with that, in principle at least? If more time is given, that will allow the ...
Stewart Hosie | 475 c46-8 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 8, page 3, line 20, leave out from '(1)' to end of line 21 and add"'will...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c49 (Link to this contribution) Most of the debate on the Bill so far has focused, quite understandably, on clause 3, which doubles ...
Stewart Hosie | 475 c48-9 (Link to this contribution) I was just about to make that point. The hon. Gentleman is probably right, on balance, in relation t...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c49-51 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. It is not just a matter of those who are directly affected by the capital g...
Mark Field | 475 c49 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that, given the City of London's position as an international financial ce...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c51 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman explain how his party would pay for the consequences of rejecting the propos...
Mike Hancock | 475 c86 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman comes late to the debate, but he comes with a pertinent point. That is the ...
Lord Deben | 475 c85-6 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the problem is as bad if not worse in smaller towns such as Aldeb...
Mike Hancock | 475 c85 (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely, and I think that that pattern will quickly be followed around the country, because...
Tobias Ellwood | 475 c85 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a powerful speech and I am pleased that he supports the amendment, but ...
David Leslie Taylor | 475 c87 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has heard from Members on both sides of the Committee various descriptions of the trend...
Angela Eagle | 475 c87 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, we keep those issues, as well as those of the effect of taxation, under close review, but t...
Tobias Ellwood | 475 c87 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister expand on why it would cost £15 million to make that change? We probably all agree...
Angela Eagle | 475 c86-7 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to make my first contribution to what will be a long process. I am sure that we wil...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 475 c88 (Link to this contribution) The Government have just conducted a very panicky emergency review of their ill-judged proposals on ...
Angela Eagle | 475 c87-8 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend that people who use amusement arcades or go to bingo halls are not neces...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c63 (Link to this contribution) Entrepreneurs' relief was fully costed, and it forms part of the Budget figures. It is the hon. Gent...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c63 (Link to this contribution) Well, I am sure we will return to it in future debates. Perhaps, Sir Michael, I should speak more na...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c63 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has costed the measures, but she has not told us where the Government found the money. ...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c65-6 (Link to this contribution) Again, that is precisely what the investment allowance is about. These are all matters that we must ...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c65 (Link to this contribution) Does the Financial Secretary recognise that the problem faced by the UK is not the number of start-u...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c64 (Link to this contribution) Of course Killik and Co. is in favour of reducing the tax paid by passive investors in the shares of...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c64 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a fair point, and I know that those concerns have been expressed. I hope to...
Robert Smith | 475 c63-4 (Link to this contribution) On the general point that has emerged from the debate about the process and the way in which busines...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c63 (Link to this contribution) I was asked a number of questions, and I was about to respond to them, but I am happy to give way to...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c67-8 (Link to this contribution) We will probably return to the issue several times in Committee. I do not accept what the hon. Gentl...
Brooks Newmark | 475 c67 (Link to this contribution) I cannot accept the Financial Secretary's premise when the evidence is clear: ““Tolley's Tax Guide””...
Stewart Hosie | 475 c66 (Link to this contribution) The Financial Secretary says that advance notice was given in order for people to put their affairs ...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c66-7 (Link to this contribution) I did not think for one moment that the hon. Gentleman would buy the argument, but I am confident th...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c67 (Link to this contribution) As I am about to turn to one of my final points, which is about a comment made by the hon. Member fo...
Brooks Newmark | 475 c67 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the Financial Secretary has said about simplification. However, can she explain how four...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c67 (Link to this contribution) I see that the hon. Gentleman does not accept that point, and is coming back.
John Penrose | 475 c80 (Link to this contribution) One of the original ideas that led to the changes was the trade-off whereby super-casinos were to co...
Justine Greening | 475 c76-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a helpful contribution, which illustrates the two key points that I want to mak...
Justine Greening | 475 c75-6 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 16, page 11, line 17, at end add—
John Penrose | 475 c76 (Link to this contribution) I assure my hon. Friend that I have received numerous representations from people in my constituency...
Justine Greening | 475 c78-9 (Link to this contribution) Again, we are hearing from hon. Members with direct experience of the communities affected and the s...
Colin Breed | 475 c79-80 (Link to this contribution) On the face of it, clause 21 is fairly innocuous in terms of raising revenue, but it has obviously r...
Justine Greening | 475 c78 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman's intervention. That suggestion was supported by the British Am...
Mike Hancock | 475 c78 (Link to this contribution) I for one will be supporting the hon. Lady in the Lobby on this issue. I am delighted that she has q...
Stewart Hosie | 475 c68 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Financial Secretary for her consideration of our amendment. Early in her reply, she said...
Tobias Ellwood | 475 c81 (Link to this contribution) I suggest that the hon. Gentleman should come here armed with the necessary information. He says tha...
Rob Marris | 475 c81 (Link to this contribution) It is not for me to produce evidence, as I have not moved the amendment. I seek to find out the reas...
Colin Breed | 475 c81 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept that this technical clause may work with other legislation to have a ...
Rob Marris | 475 c82 (Link to this contribution) I do not know because I have not been given the evidence. Perhaps the Minister will explain it if sh...
Colin Breed | 475 c81 (Link to this contribution) I was trying to suggest that accepting the amendment, which relates specifically to B3 machines, wou...
Rob Marris | 475 c81 (Link to this contribution) I suggest that the reviews are taking place and that that is not what the amendment would do. It sta...
Justine Greening | 475 c81 (Link to this contribution) The evidence that we have is that revenues have fallen 21 per cent. year on year, and I am trying to...
Rob Marris | 475 c81 (Link to this contribution) Again, the hon. Lady might be right, but the evidence provided in table C6 on page 187 of the Red Bo...
Colin Breed | 475 c80 (Link to this contribution) I could not agree more. That is exactly what has happened. Some of the smaller businesses involved i...
Rob Marris | 475 c80 (Link to this contribution) I find the hon. Gentleman's position somewhat contradictory, unless he was making a speech on the cl...
Mike Hancock | 475 c84-5 (Link to this contribution) May I first congratulate the hon. Member for Putney (Justine Greening) on what I thought was an exce...
Rob Marris | 475 c83-4 (Link to this contribution) May I caution the hon. Gentleman? I did not say that I was against the amendment, which he seems to ...
Tobias Ellwood | 475 c84 (Link to this contribution) I do not wish to challenge the hon. Gentleman's claim to being an intellectual tower when it comes t...
Mike Hancock | 475 c83 (Link to this contribution) I just want to correct the hon. Gentleman. He referred to the move towards fixed-odds betting termin...
Tobias Ellwood | 475 c83 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a valid point. I was being generous to the Government in using that term. W...
Graham Stuart | 475 c83 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a very powerful case on behalf of, for example, businesses in Hornsey and W...
Tobias Ellwood | 475 c83 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for my hon. Friend's intervention. His comment has been repeated up and down the count...
Rob Marris | 475 c82 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Tobias Ellwood | 475 c82-3 (Link to this contribution) I should like to make a little progress, but I will give way shortly. I commend my hon. Friend the ...
Tobias Ellwood | 475 c82 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Wolverhampton, South-West (Rob Marris). He has raised...
Viscount Thurso | 475 c105 (Link to this contribution) I have been enjoying my hon. Friend's vivisection of those on the Treasury Bench. I brought up this ...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c105-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who has made an extremely attractive proposition. We already know t...
Stewart Hosie | 475 c106 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way; he is being very generous. He has been talking a lot abou...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c105 (Link to this contribution) I have given way twice, so I will try again. It is nice to have a question and answer session on Lib...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c105 (Link to this contribution) I have explained so many times. We will vote against the clause this evening, and I hope that, if th...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c105 (Link to this contribution) So although there are all sorts of measures that the Liberal Democrats may introduce, reintroducing ...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c104 (Link to this contribution) It is our intention to reduce the tax burden on people who earn the lowest salaries, and we will do ...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c105 (Link to this contribution) Let me make this clearer. The Liberal Democrats' objective is to ease the tax burden on people with ...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c104-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a good speech, but there was a simple question to answer so that the co...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c108 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman's intervention, but it is based on an inaccuracy. It is not oft...
David Leslie Taylor | 475 c108 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman carefully consider what he has just said and retract it in the interests of ...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c107-8 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. The national minimum wage has less effect in London, where ...
Baroness Kramer | 475 c107 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend aware that the proposal will not help many people in London, because firms have gr...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c107 (Link to this contribution) I will make this short by saying that I agree with all three points that the hon. Gentleman makes.
Ian Taylor | 475 c107 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a good case against the Government. Does he accept, first, that movemen...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c107 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right in both regards. The hundreds of thousands of people who fall into those cat...
David Howarth | 475 c107 (Link to this contribution) Another problem with using the minimum wage is that it will not help two obvious groups of people: f...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c106-7 (Link to this contribution) Yes, is my answer to that. [Interruption.] Well, I have never claimed anything else. People were ask...
Baroness Brown of Silvertown | 475 c102 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not accept that the number of people who will lose through the cutting of th...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c102 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept that argument. If the hon. Lady had been present for our extended debate this time l...
Lord Deben | 475 c102 (Link to this contribution) Is it not obvious that the hon. Member for West Ham (Lyn Brown) is wrong? If she were right, the Gov...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c102 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman attributes a degree of rational and strategic thinking to the Government th...
Stephen Dorrell | 475 c102 (Link to this contribution) Is it not remarkable that the hon. Member for West Ham (Lyn Brown) should say that the figures are i...
Jim Devine | 475 c99 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Steve Webb | 475 c100 (Link to this contribution) The logic of the hon. Gentleman's position is that it would be satisfactory to get rid of the 10p ra...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c99-100 (Link to this contribution) No, I am going to make some progress. The hon. Gentleman has already had one go. Let us remember th...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c100-1 (Link to this contribution) As I have just been reminded, the Liberal Democrats' policy was to get rid of the 10p rate, so the h...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c104 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the star of the show.
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c104 (Link to this contribution) Do the Liberal Democrats propose to reintroduce the 10p rate, and if so, where will they find the £7...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c104 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a valid and related point about the fiasco and complication that is the tax cre...
Jo Swinson | 475 c102 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that it was entirely unjustified of the Government and, indeed, of the vas...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c102 (Link to this contribution) Indeed; the Institute for Fiscal Studies and the Treasury's own answers have both confirmed figures ...
Baroness Kramer | 475 c104 (Link to this contribution) Has my hon. Friend seen in any of the Government responses a solution for my constituent, a young, s...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c104 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an excellent point, which no Treasury Minister has so far adequately addressed,...
Annette Brooke | 475 c104 (Link to this contribution) I should like to take the example of one of my constituents, who is £30 worse off, and is already fa...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c103-4 (Link to this contribution) I very much agree. It does not seem difficult to work out that for people who pay 10p in the pound a...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c112 (Link to this contribution) I shall come to that point in a moment.
Paul Robert Holmes | 475 c112 (Link to this contribution) Before the right hon. Gentleman tries to pin the Government down on their vague promises, will he gi...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c112-3 (Link to this contribution) That is a very good question, which the hon. Gentleman should ask the Prime Minister. Much as I woul...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c114 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the hon. Member for Northavon (Steve Webb).
Sally Keeble | 475 c113 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that that 60 to 65 group concerns women pensioners in particular, es...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c113 (Link to this contribution) I agree totally. They are one of the many groups whom we should wish to salute, rather than kneecap,...
Joan Walley | 475 c113 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that another group that we need to ensure is represented to the Trea...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c113-4 (Link to this contribution) I agree totally. That leads neatly to my third point. My understanding is that there will be an effo...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c110 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I was distracted in part by a wide range of interventions. The point I was seeking ...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c109 (Link to this contribution) I am being generous to the hon. Gentleman—to some extent his speech changed the political dynamic. M...
George Osborne | 475 c109 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way, and for talking about my conference speech. One ...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c109 (Link to this contribution) I am not launching a vitriolic attack on anything. I think that there is a place for inheritance tax...
Mark Lazarowicz | 475 c109 (Link to this contribution) In the interests of clarity, do the hon. Gentleman's colleagues who represent London constituencies ...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 475 c110 (Link to this contribution) Order. It is an interesting little diversion, inheritance tax, but we should return to the subject o...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c110 (Link to this contribution) I have not checked with all my hon. Friends, but I am sure that they agree with me on the matter. Gi...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 475 c110 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman has been dilating considerably beyond the terms of the amendment. He has b...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 475 c110 (Link to this contribution) Order. I thought that I had encouraged the hon. Gentleman to desist from that line of debate. We mus...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c110 (Link to this contribution) I will conclude, Sir Alan, by saying that Labour Members have an opportunity to show this evening th...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c111 (Link to this contribution) Chairman Haselhurst, thank you for calling me. It has already been an extraordinary debate in that ...
Jeremy Corbyn | 475 c111 (Link to this contribution) I commend my right hon. Friend on his work on the matter. Despite whatever is said this evening, doe...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c112 (Link to this contribution) I thought it was quite clear to us all that the Government now accept that there are significant num...
David Leslie Taylor | 475 c112 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that the suggested method of reimbursement for sizeable groups using...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c111 (Link to this contribution) No doubt, but I still long to see a simplified tax system that abolishes all allowances other than t...
Lord Deben | 475 c112 (Link to this contribution) In asking that of those on his Front Bench, will the right hon. Gentleman also ensure that the Finan...
Philip Dunne | 475 c96 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is giving a forensic analysis of the machinations that the then Chancellor, now the P...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c96 (Link to this contribution) I was not aware that that admission had occurred this afternoon, but I am not surprised by what my h...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c96-7 (Link to this contribution) From what the hon. Lady says, it appears that she represents a constituency where earnings are below...
Baroness Brown of Silvertown | 475 c96 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. About 40 per cent. of my constituents earn ...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c98-9 (Link to this contribution) Once again, this is a case of the Prime Minister treating people as if they were fools. He knew exac...
Lord Deben | 475 c97-8 (Link to this contribution) Is not the real sin of this the Government's failure to admit that people were worse off? How does m...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c99 (Link to this contribution) We have already dealt with that one; the hon. Lady was obviously thinking about something else at th...
Julian Brazier | 475 c94 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is being too generous to the Prime Minister. The clear reason for this measure is tha...
Lembit Opik | 475 c94 (Link to this contribution) Regardless of what the Government's motives were in changing the policy, the absolute wage rates in ...
Jim Devine | 475 c95 (Link to this contribution) If the Conservatives were in power today, would they reintroduce the 10p rate?
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c95 (Link to this contribution) I will answer that question genuinely—as, in fact, I answered the same question last Monday. We flag...
Baroness Hoey | 475 c95 (Link to this contribution) I rise to ask a question in a spirit of genuine openness. This time last year, my right hon. Friend ...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c94 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right in that the people who will be worst hit will be those who are working. I ac...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c95-6 (Link to this contribution) No, I shall make a little progress now, if I may. [Interruption.] Well, let me tell the hon. Lady wh...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c95 (Link to this contribution) We have not said that we would introduce the 10p rate, and it is clear that the Labour Members whose...
Angela Eagle | 475 c88 (Link to this contribution) If the right hon. Gentleman had been listening to what I was saying, he would know that it is not fo...
Lord Deben | 475 c88 (Link to this contribution) I find it a little difficult to understand what the Minister is saying about the distinction between...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c93 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 18, in page 2, line 21, at beginning insert 'Save as provided in subsect...
Justine Greening | 475 c89 (Link to this contribution) If we were ever in doubt over whether this is a joined-up Government, we have just discovered the tr...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c94 (Link to this contribution) Clause 3 has dominated debate on the Finance Bill. The policy changes that it contains have unravell...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 475 c93 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Amendment No. 19, page 2, line 22, at end ...
Angela Eagle | 475 c88 (Link to this contribution) My colleagues in the Department for Culture, Media and Sport are keeping these matters under review,...
Mike Hancock | 475 c88 (Link to this contribution) If taxation is indeed the responsibility of Treasury Ministers, accepting the amendment would demons...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c125 (Link to this contribution) It was not clear at the time exactly what the figures were to which the hon. Member for Mid-Sussex w...
Lord Deben | 475 c125 (Link to this contribution) In our discussions over the past 10 days, the Minister told my hon. Friend the Member for Mid-Sussex...
Lord Deben | 475 c125 (Link to this contribution) In that case, why did the Minister not make sure that the Prime Minister had those figures when he s...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c125 (Link to this contribution) I am going to turn to the points that have been made. The 10p starting rate of tax to be removed in...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c125 (Link to this contribution) I want to respond to the points made in the debate, but I shall give way to the right hon. Member fo...
Robert Smith | 475 c124 (Link to this contribution) Some time ago, when I attempted to intervene, the Financial Secretary was making the point that unde...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c124 (Link to this contribution) The tax credit system, as a result of changes made as long ago as 2005, is vastly improved, and I co...
Joan Walley | 475 c124 (Link to this contribution) In the few minutes that remain, will my right hon. Friend give us assurances on the proposals from m...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c123-4 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman will allow me to make a little progress, I will be happy to give way later. I ...
Robert Smith | 475 c123 (Link to this contribution) Will the Financial Secretary give way?
Jane Kennedy | 475 c123 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for those comments, and I agree entirely. He will remember who was i...
Jim Devine | 475 c123 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend will remember the mid-1980s, when public sector workers—domestics who had worke...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c122-3 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry if the right hon. and learned Member for Rushcliffe (Mr. Clarke) thinks that I am a sorry...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c121 (Link to this contribution) Two things are now clear from this debate. The first is that no party is proposing the re-introducti...
Steve Webb | 475 c120-1 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister rises, I wish to make a brief contribution about one of the groups that is losin...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c127-8 (Link to this contribution) If the right hon. Gentleman will allow me, I shall address some of his other points. As I understand...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c127 (Link to this contribution) If the right hon. Gentleman will just allow me to make the point that his clarification tonight make...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c127 (Link to this contribution) The amendment last year was about the House instructing the Government to bring forward a package of...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c127 (Link to this contribution) As I recall the amendment, it required the Government to bring forward a package of compensation mea...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c126-7 (Link to this contribution) As the right hon. Member for Birkenhead (Mr. Field) said, we have had some clarification in the deba...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c126 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry not to give way to the hon. Gentleman, but I really want to conclude. We know that there...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c126 (Link to this contribution) As I have said, my right hon. Friend made a thoughtful and constructive response to the debate. I am...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c127 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that the right hon. Gentleman keeps raising the issue of his amendment last year, because...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c127 (Link to this contribution) Let us be quite straight about this. The Government have changed their position and they are startin...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c126 (Link to this contribution) I do not wish to be drawn on the outcome of this further work. I say that advisedly, not intending i...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c126 (Link to this contribution) When my right hon. Friend reports back on the debate, I am sure that she will report that Labour Mem...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c125-6 (Link to this contribution) I am trying to make progress, to reach the point where I can reply to the genuine concerns expressed...
George Osborne | 475 c126 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister answer a specific point? The right hon. Member for Birkenhead (Mr. Field) said tha...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c114 (Link to this contribution) I am about to come on to that very point, as I think we need to grow up on that aspect of what we ca...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c114 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way; my point is directly pertinent to what he ...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c114 (Link to this contribution) If only hon. Members would let me conclude, Sir Alan, I could answer all these questions. The fourt...
Linda Gilroy | 475 c114 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that that could well address the concerns of some students in consti...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c115 (Link to this contribution) I am always pleased to give way to my hon. Friend, who reminds me that people might benefit from mor...
Mark Lazarowicz | 475 c115 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 475 c115-6 (Link to this contribution) No. I am sorry, but I am anxious for others to contribute to the debate. The fifth part of the pack...
Richard Taylor | 475 c116 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Birkenhead (Mr. Field), for whom I have a very ...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 475 c116-7 (Link to this contribution) I find this an extremely unhappy debate. It follows a period in which we have seen several Budgets d...
Steve Webb | 475 c114 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman, who is hugely respected on these issues. On the issue of ...
Mark Hoban | 475 c26-7 (Link to this contribution) My argument is that one of the problems that the Government have created in tackling the issue is th...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c64-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman and I will have to agree to disagree on that point. I clearly do not accept his d...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c64 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman allow me to quote one or two comments that are entirely independent of the G...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c101-2 (Link to this contribution) Let's get this show on the road. We all remember 21 March 2007, the final Budget delivered by the ...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c108-9 (Link to this contribution) Listen, and I will explain. Compensating only the people who are net losers because of the doubling ...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 475 c94 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a good point. This tax change, which has had a negative impact on 5.3 milli...
Angela Eagle | 475 c88-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has raised two issues. Of course we are sensitive—I am sensitive—to the health of...
Steve Webb | 475 c121-2 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the right hon. Gentleman on his second point; it is a question whether we believe in th...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 475 c22 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 7, in page 2, line 37, at e...
Lord Redwood | 475 c32-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, although the number of interruptions makes developing the argument ...
Mark Hoban | 475 c26 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes a good point. I, too, have been frustrated at how anything that the Gover...
Linda Gilroy | 475 c99 (Link to this contribution) On prevarication, will the hon. Gentleman remind the House whether his party has finally arrived at ...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 475 c117-20 (Link to this contribution) The country's problems, and, as my hon. Friend correctly points out, the present Government's proble...
Jeremy Browne | 475 c55-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that point, although we are slightly going round in circles. There are many benef...
Jane Kennedy | 475 c67 (Link to this contribution) I have been interested to read the criticism that the tax code is getting ever longer. In truth, a l...
Subjects
Companies Capital gains tax Corporation tax Bingo Amusement arcades Licensing Investment Income tax Gaming machines Pensioners Small businesses Tax allowances Taxation Tax rates and bands
Legislation
Finance Bill 2007-08
Contains statistics
Yes
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