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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Monday, 9 June 2008, in the House of Lords.

National Insurance Contributions Bill

National Insurance Contributions Bill. Lords Committee stage. Clauses 1 to 7 agreed to. Schedules 1 and 2 agreed to. Bill reported without amendment.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
702 c111-32GC 
Session
2007-08
Department
Treasury
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Noakes | 702 c119-22GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 5: 5: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— ““Consequences of basic...
Baroness Noakes | 702 c132GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister has reminded me of another matter—that the Treasury kept very quiet about the impact wh...
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Baroness Noakes | 702 c125GC (Link to this contribution) That is very helpful. I will make sure that my colleagues in another place realise that. This mornin...
Baroness Noakes | 702 c115GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister tempts me. We could prolong the argument, so perhaps I may suggest that we move on.
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 702 c115GC (Link to this contribution) I thank noble Lords who have spoken to this amendment, which gives us a chance to catch up on where ...
Baroness Noakes | 702 c118GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Newby, for his support. Like him, I rejoice that this is not a tax for ...
Baroness Noakes | 702 c111-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1: 1: Clause 1, page 1, line 4, leave out ““““which”” to the end”” and insert ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 702 c124GC (Link to this contribution) I was referring to the affirmative procedure proposed in the Bill. The committee has not commented i...
Lord Newby | 702 c122GC (Link to this contribution) I have some sympathy with what the noble Baroness is seeking to achieve. Although in many ways the a...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 702 c131-2GC (Link to this contribution) I reject absolutely challenges of dishonesty around this matter. The Government have been very clear...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 702 c128-30GC (Link to this contribution) The characterisation of Clause 3 as a stealth tax and as cherry-picking is completely wrong. I can u...
Baroness Noakes | 702 c124GC (Link to this contribution) There still is not because the Government have not yet tabled amendments in the other place to effec...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 702 c125GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness. I want to make clear that the amendments we referred to earlier...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 702 c115-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am happy to do that. I was simply placing our position on the record, as other noble Lords have st...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 702 c119GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is right: I did not specifically deal with that point and I should have done. The...
Baroness Noakes | 702 c124GC (Link to this contribution) Before I respond, can the Minister explain his comments about the Delegated Powers Committee? The am...
Baroness Noakes | 702 c125GC (Link to this contribution) That is correct. But the Minister will recognise that it is a quite extraordinary departure from the...
Baroness Noakes | 702 c125-8GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak on Clause 3 stand part because it is an entirely disreputable clause. I entered the Go...
Baroness Fookes | 702 c111GC (Link to this contribution) I remind the Grand Committee that if there is a Division in the House, the Committee must be adjourn...
Lord Newby | 702 c114-5GC (Link to this contribution) There are a number of anomalies and ironies about this issue and the fact that we are discussing it....
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 702 c124GC (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Baroness saying that there was no opportunity to debate that in the other place?
Baroness Noakes | 702 c124GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply and the noble Lord, Lord Newby, for his comments. I agree that t...
Baroness Noakes | 702 c119GC (Link to this contribution) I accept that they would arise wherever we did the roundings. But the affirmative resolution procedu...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 702 c122-4GC (Link to this contribution) I say to the noble Lord, Lord Newby, that I am astounded at his cynicism about how the Treasury migh...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 702 c130GC (Link to this contribution) If the noble Baroness will forgive me, it depends on how you do your allocations. I can see that she...
Baroness Noakes | 702 c130-1GC (Link to this contribution) I think we could just say that it was not intended by the Treasury that they should not gain, as tha...
Baroness Noakes | 702 c130GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that wholly predictable response. It brings home to me that what the Treasu...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 702 c124GC (Link to this contribution) But, whatever process is adopted, it will be before the other House before the legislation is determ...
Subjects
Income tax Index linking National insurance Pay Pensions National insurance contributions Tax rates and bands Uprating Earnings limits
Legislation
National Insurance Contributions Bill 2007-08
Link
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