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Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Tuesday, 1 July 2008, in the House of Lords.

Education and Skills Bill

Education and Skills Bill. Lords Committee stage second day. Clause 10 agreed to. New clause under consideration. Part 2 of 2 records.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
703 c206-32 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department for Children, Schools and Families
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Related items
Education and Skills Bill
Tuesday, 1 July 2008
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2008-2148
Tuesday, 5 August 2008
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 703 c212 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord’s intention was to delay what was intended in this clause until the local authority h...
Lord Elton | 703 c209 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness moves on from that amendment, it should be mentioned for the record that s...
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Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 703 c209 (Link to this contribution) I support Amendment No. 50, which I believe is about coping with educational needs in prison. My nob...
Baroness Verma | 703 c208-9 (Link to this contribution) Our amendments in this group complement those of the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp. Clause 10 establish...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c206-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 53: 53: Clause 10, page 5, line 40, at end insert— ““( ) The duty in subsectio...
Lord Elton | 703 c210 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend raises all sorts of other issues. On which local authority devolves the problem of p...
Lord Lucas | 703 c210 (Link to this contribution) I want to say a word in favour of Amendment No. 65. First, as a wording technicality, requiring a lo...
Lord Elton | 703 c210 (Link to this contribution) I support the principle of paying particular attention to those with special educational needs and, ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 703 c209 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful. I was looking at something else. I have also put my name to the Motion of the n...
Lord Lucas | 703 c214 (Link to this contribution) In addition to writing the letter, will the noble Lord give some clues about what mechanisms a local...
Lord Adonis | 703 c213 (Link to this contribution) I shall be happy to provide such a background note. I covered some, but not all, of those issues in ...
Lord Elton | 703 c212-3 (Link to this contribution) If the Minister will forgive me, since we are on the subject of education in prison, it would be hel...
Lord Adonis | 703 c213-4 (Link to this contribution) I suspect that is the case, but I will confirm the precise position in correspondence. Returning to ...
Lord Elton | 703 c213 (Link to this contribution) I do not believe that they would be satisfactory.
Lord Adonis | 703 c214 (Link to this contribution) We are not minded to weaken the duty on local authorities in the way that the noble Baroness suggest...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c214 (Link to this contribution) I spoke to it in relation to resources. As I pointed out, there are limits to what local authorities...
Lord Elton | 703 c214 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord take advice from the Government’s most senior lawyers about the use of ““possibl...
Lord Adonis | 703 c230-1 (Link to this contribution) The Government are a strong proponent of the value of school councils for all the reasons set out by...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 703 c230 (Link to this contribution) I support the sentiments behind both these amendments. What is slightly worrying me is whether this ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 703 c230 (Link to this contribution) As my noble friend Lord Elton has explained, the proposed new clauses would create a statutory right...
Lord Elton | 703 c232 (Link to this contribution) I shall clearly have to read Professor Whitty’s report and also the new guidance. I hope that therei...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 703 c232 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 703 c232 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister say anything in answer to my question?
Lord Adonis | 703 c232 (Link to this contribution) Every academy that I have visited has a school council. Academies seek successfully to engage studen...
Baroness Walmsley | 703 c231 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has concentrated his remarks on the way in which the Government have encouraged school ...
Lord Adonis | 703 c232 (Link to this contribution) We similarly encourage them. All colleges that I am aware of have student councils which play an act...
Lord Adonis | 703 c225 (Link to this contribution) In practice these duties will lie mainly with Connexions officers who will keep the records. But tho...
Lord Adonis | 703 c225 (Link to this contribution) There are two distinct aspects to this. Enforcement action against a young person who is not partici...
Lord Elton | 703 c225 (Link to this contribution) I am a bit confused about who checks on what. The reciprocal duty to see that the educational part o...
Lord Adonis | 703 c225 (Link to this contribution) As so often, I find myself holding a sensible middle ground between two extreme positions—in this ca...
Baroness Walmsley | 703 c224 (Link to this contribution) In that case, what on earth is the point of it? If the employer is not to check whether the young pe...
Lord Adonis | 703 c224 (Link to this contribution) The Explanatory Notes are quite clear on what Clause 21 encompasses. They say: "““Clause 21 places a...
Baroness Walmsley | 703 c224 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister clarify one thing? On one hand, he tells my noble friend Lady Garden that it is not...
Lord Adonis | 703 c223-4 (Link to this contribution) As so often happens now in our debates, I am being pulled both ways. I have just heard the noble Bar...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 703 c221-2 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak to the Question whether Clause 21 shall stand part, which is grouped with these amen...
Lord Lucas | 703 c220-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 60: 60: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause— ““Certificates of ap...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c220 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. It is a little unsatisfactory that we are legislating here in tw...
Baroness Verma | 703 c221 (Link to this contribution) The new clause proposed by my noble friend Lord Lucas is an attempt to make it easier for employers ...
Baroness Verma | 703 c218 (Link to this contribution) The Liberal Democrats have proposed two new clauses to the Bill which enshrine the duty of local edu...
Lord Adonis | 703 c218-20 (Link to this contribution) The Learning and Skills Council currently has a duty to ensure proper provision for all 16 to 19 yea...
Baroness Walmsley | 703 c214 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord will have the opportunity to address those issues when we come to the Clause 12 stand...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c215-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for answering a number of the queries that we raised. It would be part...
Lord Adonis | 703 c228 (Link to this contribution) As I said to the noble Baroness, Lady Verma, I shall look further at what more we can say about a st...
Lord Lucas | 703 c227 (Link to this contribution) If we are looking only at that, it can be basket weaving as long as it is accredited; it not need be...
Lord Adonis | 703 c227 (Link to this contribution) ““Relevant”” in Clause 6 means, "““training or education towards an accredited qualification provide...
Lord Lucas | 703 c227 (Link to this contribution) I am trying to find which particular use of the word ““relevant”” applies. I shall take the matter a...
Baroness Walmsley | 703 c229-30 (Link to this contribution) We have Amendment No. 69 in the group. We agree with the objective of the noble Lord, Lord Elton, bu...
Lord Elton | 703 c228-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 61: 61: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause— ““Listening to the v...
Lord Lucas | 703 c228 (Link to this contribution) If we have guidance to employers on how to make this check which is longer than two sides of A4, it ...
Lord Lucas | 703 c227 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the noble Lord can also point me to the meaning of ““relevant”” in this. Again the noble Lor...
Lord Adonis | 703 c227 (Link to this contribution) Relevant to fulfilling their duties under the Bill.
Lord Adonis | 703 c227 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is right to probe this further. As the word ““appropriate”” is now on everyone’s mind...
Baroness Verma | 703 c226 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may help the Minister. Would it be easier if the college were to incorporate my amendment ...
Lord Adonis | 703 c226 (Link to this contribution) Or the local authority, which would see that it is passed to the relevant officers of the authority....
Lord Lucas | 703 c226 (Link to this contribution) I shall start by asking the Minister a couple of questions on side issues. The first is a question I...
Lord Adonis | 703 c226 (Link to this contribution) I shall reflect on the noble Baroness’s remarks in respect of the letters that can be provided by co...
Lord Lucas | 703 c226 (Link to this contribution) Secondly, do education providers have permission, as it were, under data protection legislation to r...
Lord Adonis | 703 c226 (Link to this contribution) It means ““reside in””. Of course, like other people, they may move to a different authority, and in...
Lord Lucas | 703 c226-7 (Link to this contribution) I come back to the duty under Clause 21. The duty is to take all such steps as are reasonable to asc...
Lord Elton | 703 c225 (Link to this contribution) Would the institution inform the Connexions officer?
Lord Adonis | 703 c211-2 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may first respond to Amendment No. 53 of the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp. We entirely suppo...
Lord Elton | 703 c225 (Link to this contribution) If this is going to work, presumably someone must keep a register—that is what it would be in a scho...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c216-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 59: 59: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause— ““Duty to assess edu...
Baroness Verma | 703 c215 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response and for ensuring that the relevant information will be placed ...
Lord Adonis | 703 c212 (Link to this contribution) This Bill’s responsibilities go up to the age of 18. There are responsibilities placed on the Prison...
Lord Adonis | 703 c214 (Link to this contribution) I promise to write the noble Lord and the noble Baroness a very long letter on that subject.
Lord Adonis | 703 c226 (Link to this contribution) Yes, provided that they have the consent of the young person to do so. But since the young person wi...
Subjects
Disability Employment Education Further education Learning disability Local education authorities Training Young people Young offenders Small businesses School councils
Legislation
Education and Skills Bill 2007-08
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