Debate on bill on Tuesday, 4 November 2008, in the House of Lords.

Counter-Terrorism Bill

Counter-Terrorism Bill. Lords Report stage first day. Amendments debated and withdrawn, one negatived on division (130 votes to 130). Other amendments debated and agreed to. Part 2 of 2 records.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 705 c158-94
Session: 2007-08
Department: Home Office
Legislative stage: Report stage
Procedure: New clauses; Equality of votes
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Counter-Terrorism Bill. As amended in Committee.
Tuesday, 21 October 2008
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Lord Geddes | 705 c182 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there being an equality of votes, in accordance with Standing Order 57, which provides tha...; Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 705 c189-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that response. I still have some concern that a lot of t...; Baroness Neville-Jones | 705 c186 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome what the Minister has just said. Is there a programme to equip the police statio...; Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 705 c186-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 33: 33: Clause 29, page 21, line 24, after ““may”” insert ““, with the written...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c193 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 37 to 45: 37: Clause 45, page 32, line 37, after ““imprisonment”” insert ““o...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c193-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 46: 46: Clause 53, page 38, line 38, leave out subsections (1) to (3) and inse...; Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 705 c175-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Berwick, said, there was a lot of dissatisfac...; Lord Elystan-Morgan | 705 c177-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I respectfully suggest that there is not a world of difference between the amendment propo...; Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 705 c178 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the particular paragraph (b) in the Government’s amendment that is the subject of the amen...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c184 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Wallace, has said, and as I made clear in Committee, the Lord Advo...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c185-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 27: 27: Clause 26, page 19, leave out line 30 The noble Lord said: My Lords, ...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c185 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 24: 24: Clause 25, page 18, line 29, leave out subsections (2) to (4) and inse...; Lord Dear | 705 c164 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should point out to noble Lords who are not familiar with Latin or Norman French that th...; Lord Thomas of Gresford | 705 c163-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a privilege to follow two noble Lords with such experience in this area. I am taken ...; Baroness Manningham-Buller | 705 c164 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment but I wish to make a couple of comments—one in defence of the poli...; Earl of Onslow | 705 c164 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very pleased that the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, reminded the House that no judge has r...; Baroness Neville-Jones | 705 c161-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we support this important amendment. The noble and learned Lord said that the gap may be s...; Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 705 c172-4 (Link to this contribution) moved, as an amendment to Amendment No. 6, Amendment No. 7: 7: Clause 23, line 13, after ““to”” in...; Lord Geddes | 705 c169 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before calling Amendment No. 6, I must advise your Lordships that if it is agreed to, I sh...; Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 705 c169 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord and beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by le...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c166-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not have those statistics with me but shall certainly inform the noble Baroness of th...; Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 705 c166 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for giving way. Could he share with us the statistics on the number...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c190-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 36: 36: Before Clause 45, insert the following new Clause— ““Persons to whom t...; Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 705 c191-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wholeheartedly thank the Minister for taking the time to meet us à propos the amendments...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c186 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not know the exact answer. Perhaps I may get back to the noble Baroness in writing on...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c186 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 30 and 31: 30: Clause 26, page 19, line 37, leave out ““An order or”” and in...; Lord Thomas of Gresford | 705 c192-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I owe the Minister an apology for the use of a shorthand expression, when passing the nobl...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c194 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 47: 47: Clause 61, page 45, line 18, at end insert— ““( ) section (Persons sub...; Lord Brett | 705 c194 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned. Moved accordingly, a...; Lord Howarth of Newport | 705 c175 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am glad that my noble friend tabled Amendment No. 6. It seems to me a worthwhile respons...; Baroness Butler-Sloss | 705 c175 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this worries me. Let us take the scenario where the police wish to continue to question af...; Lord Goldsmith | 705 c176-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a bit of an evening for admissions of parentage. In government, I think that I was t...; Lord Thomas of Gresford | 705 c178-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the Crown prosecutor—I accept the noble Lord’s earlier rebuke—makes an application to t...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c179-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that was quite an interesting dialogue. The noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd, had a good...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c183 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 21 and 22: 21: Clause 24, page 18, line 24, leave out ““subsection (2) or (3...; Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 705 c183-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 23: 23: Clause 24, page 18, line 25, at end insert— ““( ) The Lord Advocate sh...; Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 705 c184-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is always worthwhile to challenge and test these matters. When legislation is making pr...; Lord Goldsmith | 705 c165 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to raise one issue. The noble and learned Lord, Lord Mayhew of Twysden, made some v...; Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 705 c164-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the point made by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd, about restoring—or perhaps ““bui...; Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 705 c160-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is a very sound question. I am proposing the amendment in relation to a single commis...; Viscount Colville of Culross | 705 c163 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I take this opportunity to recollect an unannounced visit that I made to Castlereagh with ...; Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 705 c162-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, anyone who heard the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd, would not be surprised that I str...; Baroness Neville-Jones | 705 c174 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we welcome the Government’s acceptance that post-charge questioning should be authorised b...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c169-72 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 6: 6: Clause 23, page 16, line 33, leave out subsections (2) to (5) and insert...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c169 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to accept the substance of the amendment, but I want to look at exactly how w...; Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 705 c169 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken and who have made many new points. I am p...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c165-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I understand it, the purpose of the amendment is to introduce an independent commission...; Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 705 c160 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble and learned Lord for giving way. What is the intended terr...; Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 705 c158-60 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 5: 5: After Clause 22, insert the following new Clause— ““Independent Commissi...; Lord Geddes | 705 c182 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should remind the House that if Amendment No. 15 is agreed to, I will not be able to cal...; Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 705 c180 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not suggesting—I am sure that no one really imagines that I am—that the judge in thes...; Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 705 c184 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hear the argument that Scotland is different, and it can be a compelling argument. Will ...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c184 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would be happy to do that. I shall have to check with the Lord Advocate, but I cannot se...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c188-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Wallace, for his amendment because it is important that we gi...; Earl of Onslow | 705 c174-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am reminded of the biblical quotation, ““What the Lord giveth, he taketh away””. I fear ...; Lord West of Spithead | 705 c182-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 15: 15: Clause 24, page 17, line 45, leave out subsections (2) to (6) and inse...
Subjects: Criminal proceedings Criminal records Codes of practice Administration of justice Judges Northern Ireland Police Police interrogation Lord Advocate Pre-trial procedures Scotland Terrorism Young people Young offenders Trials Remand in custody
Legislation: Counter-terrorism Bill 2007-08
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Counter-Terrorism Bill

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