Adjournment debate on Thursday, 6 November 2008, in the House of Commons, led by Phyllis Starkey. The answering member was Baroness Beckett.
Rented Housing
Westminster Hall debate on a motion for the adjournment on rented housing. (Relevant documents - Communities and Local Government Select Committee eighth report of session 2007-08, HC 457, and the Government response, Cm 7326.)
Secondary information
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- Parliamentary proceeding
- Reference
- 482 c145-94WH
- Session
- 2007-08
- Department
- Department for Communities and Local Government
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- Westminster Hall
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Government response to the Communities and Local Government Committee's report: The Supply of Rented Housing (HC 457).
Thursday, 18 September 2008
Command papers
House of Commons
- Proceeding contributions
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Phyllis Starkey | 482 c145-7WH (Link to this contribution) In opening this debate, I should like to put the report in the context, first, of the work of the Se...
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Phyllis Starkey | 482 c147-8WH (Link to this contribution) I am coming on to that point later on, so I would be grateful if my hon. Friend will wait until then...
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Jeremy Corbyn | 482 c147WH (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend must be aware of the shortage of rented accommodation in the private sector, and of t...
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Phyllis Starkey | 482 c147WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman tempts me into studies that the Committee has not done. The Housing (Empty Dwelli...
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Philip Hollobone | 482 c147WH (Link to this contribution) I commend the hon. Lady on the Committee's report and good works. While she is encouraging thoughts ...
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Baroness Beckett | 482 c192-4WH (Link to this contribution) I think that the hon. Gentleman is perhaps resiling slightly from his rather more sweeping assertion...
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Dan Rogerson | 482 c180-1WH (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Taylor, in such an important debate. I am ver...
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Paul Robert Holmes | 482 c181WH (Link to this contribution) To clarify, as I have said, many housing associations do a good job. As my hon. Friend has said, man...
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Paul Robert Holmes | 482 c191WH (Link to this contribution) Page 25 of the report shows that a target of building 50,000 homes—it is only a target—would, accord...
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Grant Shapps | 482 c188-9WH (Link to this contribution) Realistically, we cannot sell one property and then build another. The maths do not work out. The Ho...
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Baroness Beckett | 482 c189-90WH (Link to this contribution) It has been a fascinating debate. I may as well say at the outset that the chances of me answering t...
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Grant Shapps | 482 c190WH (Link to this contribution) The organisation will spend £15.5 billion in public money and will be answerable to the Minister, or...
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Baroness Beckett | 482 c190-1WH (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether we are not slightly at cross purposes. Yes, the agency will report to me, and ...
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Grant Shapps | 482 c187WH (Link to this contribution) There is still a significant amount of council-owned homes. My council has about 9,500 such homes. T...
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Paul Robert Holmes | 482 c187-8WH (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman clarify whether his party—should it have the power—would allow local authori...
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Grant Shapps | 482 c188WH (Link to this contribution) Localism is the way forward. Areas need to develop in a way that suits them. The response says that ...
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Emily Thornberry | 482 c188WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has caused a degree of confusion. Is it the Conservative party's policy to have r...
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Dan Rogerson | 482 c187WH (Link to this contribution) We welcome this move from the hon. Gentleman's party. Will he concede though that the horse has bolt...
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Clive Betts | 482 c186WH (Link to this contribution) May I help the hon. Gentleman to understand the difference between homes and tractors? Could it be t...
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Grant Shapps | 482 c186-7WH (Link to this contribution) That is a better explanation than I have had from any Minister so far, so I certainly accept it. Th...
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Emily Thornberry | 482 c185WH (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman inform the House whether his party supports the Government's target or ambit...
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Grant Shapps | 482 c185-6WH;482 c185WH (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Lady knows from sitting opposite me for hours in Committees, we want to see more homes b...
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Baroness Beckett | 482 c185WH (Link to this contribution) To save the hon. Gentleman from reading another 15 examples of where the word ““target”” was used, m...
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Grant Shapps | 482 c185WH (Link to this contribution) I do not think that we have time to get into a lengthy discussion about whether the words ““target””...
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Baroness Beckett | 482 c184WH (Link to this contribution) indicated assent.
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Grant Shapps | 482 c184-5WH (Link to this contribution) The Minister indicates that it was always an ambition, but that is not what the Prime Minister said ...
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Dan Rogerson | 482 c181-4WH (Link to this contribution) I have given my hon. Friend the opportunity to emphasise his earlier point. Through the policies of ...
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Grant Shapps | 482 c184WH (Link to this contribution) May I begin by saying how much I welcome the Committee's work and how interesting it was? I congratu...
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David Drew | 482 c148WH (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will know that there have been changes to the way in which rent allowances work. We a...
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Andrew George | 482 c148-9WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady will know that I joined the Committee right at the end of the production of its report...
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Phyllis Starkey | 482 c148WH (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. I am sure that the Minister will have noted that point and may respond to it in her spee...
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Speaker | 482 c149WH (Link to this contribution) Order. Interventions should be short. Members have an opportunity to make a speech later.
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Paul Robert Holmes | 482 c156-8WH (Link to this contribution) Indeed, the hon. Gentleman is quite correct. There are some terrific housing associations. There are...
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Clive Betts | 482 c169WH (Link to this contribution) I agree. Without knowing all the details of what has happened in London, I can see the obvious probl...
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Emily Thornberry | 482 c169WH (Link to this contribution) Is it not also the case that, in London, if the 50 per cent. rule that was introduced under the prev...
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Clive Betts | 482 c168-9WH (Link to this contribution) I have not been told that by an RSL, but it would be interesting to know how much money has been all...
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Grant Shapps | 482 c168WH (Link to this contribution) Has the hon. Gentleman heard, as I have, discussions among registered social landlords about the fac...
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Clive Betts | 482 c167-8WH (Link to this contribution) As a member of the Select Committee, I welcome the report, and agree with it. As has been said, we t...
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Emily Thornberry | 482 c162-7WH (Link to this contribution) I represent a constituency in inner London where it is difficult to understand the claims that there...
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Paul Robert Holmes | 482 c158-62WH (Link to this contribution) Absolutely, and before people misquote me and say that I support the right to buy, I did give three ...
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Andrew George | 482 c158WH (Link to this contribution) It is certainly true in my area that a lot of former council properties are now second homes. My hon...
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Jeremy Corbyn | 482 c169WH (Link to this contribution) On the point about section 106 money, in its investigations, did the Committee come across much evid...
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David Drew | 482 c154WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will not be surprised to hear me say that there is a marked disparity between the...
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Paul Robert Holmes | 482 c152-4WH (Link to this contribution) I want to give heartfelt congratulations to the members of the Select Committee for producing this a...
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Andrew George | 482 c155WH (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with my hon. Friend. He introduced his comments by saying that renting, especially ...
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Paul Robert Holmes | 482 c154-5WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is absolutely correct. This is an issue that is a bit like the post office debate...
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Phyllis Starkey | 482 c149-50WH (Link to this contribution) I do not think that we heard much evidence on that specific point, although the Committee made a rec...
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Phyllis Starkey | 482 c150-2WH (Link to this contribution) Indeed. I shall come on to the housing revenue account. The social rented sector covers housing asso...
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David Drew | 482 c150WH (Link to this contribution) I happen to be in an area that considered large-scale voluntary transfer and rightly rejected it. As...
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Paul Robert Holmes | 482 c155-6WH (Link to this contribution) Absolutely; that is a point I wanted to make later, so I may as well cover it now. It is an issue ra...
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Jeremy Corbyn | 482 c156WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman must be aware of the problems of housing association finances: increasingly the a...
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Jeremy Corbyn | 482 c179WH (Link to this contribution) I would not dream of arguing with Shelter. I am sure that it is absolutely right, but why cannot the...
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Grant Shapps | 482 c179WH (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way again.
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Jeremy Corbyn | 482 c179WH (Link to this contribution) I am like that; I was born generous.
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Grant Shapps | 482 c180WH (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman about the 50,000 figure. Is he aware that in 1992, during the last r...
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Jeremy Corbyn | 482 c180WH (Link to this contribution) Yes, I am aware of the number that were built during that period, and I want us to build far more pr...
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Paul Robert Holmes | 482 c177WH (Link to this contribution) I agree with what the hon. Gentleman has said about the Conservative's bad track record, but surely ...
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Jeremy Corbyn | 482 c177-9WH (Link to this contribution) What I am disappointed about, and what makes me angry and determined to see change, is the need to b...
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Phyllis Starkey | 482 c179WH (Link to this contribution) Pages 25 and 26 of the report explain exactly where the 50,000 figure comes from. That was the targe...
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Clive Betts | 482 c174WH (Link to this contribution) Indeed. What we saw in evidence from Local Space, which is operating in a number of London boroughs ...
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Jeremy Corbyn | 482 c174-7WH (Link to this contribution) First, I welcome my right hon. Friend the Minister to her new position, in which she is responsible ...
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Clive Betts | 482 c172-3WH (Link to this contribution) The system is completely inadequate. Unfortunately, as long as the system exists, the Government wil...
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Jeremy Corbyn | 482 c174WH (Link to this contribution) And it was built by the public in the first place.
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Emily Thornberry | 482 c177WH (Link to this contribution) Can we have some more?
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Jeremy Corbyn | 482 c177WH (Link to this contribution) There is more if it is wanted, but I think that that is quite enough for the moment.
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Grant Shapps | 482 c177WH (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the hon. Gentleman shares my despair over the fact that, during the past 10 years, ...
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Jeremy Corbyn | 482 c177WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman tempts me to move away from the main narrative of my speech. All I would say is t...
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Clive Betts | 482 c169-71WH (Link to this contribution) I have certainly seen figures from the Department in the past that show there is some disparity betw...
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Paul Robert Holmes | 482 c171-2WH (Link to this contribution) On that point, the review is under way, but it might take a year to complete and more time to implem...
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