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Opposition day on Tuesday, 9 March 2010, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Lansley. The answering member was Mike O'Brien.

Health Care in London

Health care in London. Fifth opposition day debate (part 1). Main question negatived (214 to 284). Amendment agreed on division (267 to 185).

Secondary information

Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
507 c160-218 
Session
2009-10
Department
Department of Health
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 507 c186 (Link to this contribution) Order. Mr. Speaker has imposed an eight-minute time limit on Back-Bench contributions, but in view o...
Speaker | 507 c160 (Link to this contribution) I inform the House that I have selected the amendment in the name of the Prime Minister. The House w...
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Ann Keen | 507 c214 (Link to this contribution) There are no proposals to close the A and E department at Ealing. Change must always be to the bene...
Lord Robathan | 507 c214 (Link to this contribution) claimed to move the closure (Standing Order No. 36). Question put forthwith, That the Question be n...
Ann Keen | 507 c213-4 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We must always consider the evidence, and the evidence shows that pat...
Virendra Sharma | 507 c214 (Link to this contribution) Given the needs of the unique and diverse communities in the area around Ealing hospital, can the Mi...
Angela Watkinson | 507 c196 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Before A and E, and maternity services, could be transferred fro...
Lee Scott | 507 c196 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for agreeing with me. The proposals to cut A and E, maternity and other ...
Lee Scott | 507 c196 (Link to this contribution) I shall restrict my comments. I shall not be party political, nor shall I give a history lesson, bec...
Siobhain McDonagh | 507 c194-6 (Link to this contribution) I want to tell a tale of two hospitals. Mitcham's Wilson hospital was endowed by a local benefactor,...
Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 507 c193-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. We want Ealing to keep its hospital, because we do not want ...
Stephen Pound | 507 c193 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman has mentioned the great and glorious borough of Ealing, may I say that the 100...
Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 507 c192-3 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the opportunity to follow the hon. Member for Islington, North (Jeremy Corbyn). I, too, re...
Virendra Sharma | 507 c197-8 (Link to this contribution) I welcome this opportunity to debate health care in London, primarily because there has been a lack ...
Stephen Pound | 507 c198 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a characteristically powerful case, and I know how much he cares for, and h...
Lee Scott | 507 c196-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is perfectly right. The biggest problem in this whole exercise is that Queen's hospit...
David Burrowes | 507 c203 (Link to this contribution) I think that in many ways the deal was done before the point of engagement was even reached. As othe...
Charles Walker | 507 c203 (Link to this contribution) Why does my hon. Friend feel that the concerns of people in Broxbourne and Enfield have been ignored...
Tony McNulty | 507 c203-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Enfield, Southgate (Mr. Burrowes) was doing so well until the end of his speech....
Baroness Kramer | 507 c199-200 (Link to this contribution) I particularly appreciate this opportunity to speak in the debate in defence of my local hospital, K...
Virendra Sharma | 507 c198-9 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. I agree with him, but I shall not repeat what has alre...
David Burrowes | 507 c201-3 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for Islington, South and Finsbury (Emily Thornberry). We are ...
Emily Thornberry | 507 c200-1 (Link to this contribution) Let me begin by putting the issues in the context of Islington. We have clearly benefited hugely, wi...
Theresa Villiers | 507 c204 (Link to this contribution) A few months ago the Secretary of State signed off the controversial downgrade of Chase Farm that wa...
Tony McNulty | 507 c204-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady should listen. I am not justifying it at all. I am simply saying that what happens in ...
Barry Gardiner | 507 c207-8 (Link to this contribution) In international women's week, I wish to pay tribute to all the women who work in our health service...
Speaker | 507 c209 (Link to this contribution) Order. Before the hon. Member for Brent, North (Barry Gardiner) continues—and I ask him to keep an e...
Stephen Pound | 507 c208 (Link to this contribution) On that point, my elder brother was born two years before the national health service and he died as...
Barry Gardiner | 507 c208 (Link to this contribution) I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman has had the benefit of speaking both to the chief executive...
Lord Lansley | 507 c208 (Link to this contribution) Just so that the hon. Gentleman does not misrepresent what is in the north-west London sector docume...
Clive Efford | 507 c209 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. In response to the rebuke that you just gave to me, I want ...
Barry Gardiner | 507 c209 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for Ealing, North (Stephen Pound) made his point in a characteristically r...
Speaker | 507 c209 (Link to this contribution) I merely say to the hon. Gentleman that it is a convention of the House that Members do not read boo...
Justine Greening | 507 c209-10 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that many people watching the debate will think that that time could have been better spen...
Clive Efford | 507 c212 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for setting out how the consultation took place. She, like me, will ...
Ann Keen | 507 c211-2 (Link to this contribution) First, let me say what a pleasure it is to be part of the debate with the hon. Member for Putney (Ju...
Ann Keen | 507 c212 (Link to this contribution) That has also to do with the calibre of the MP and what they can bring to an area. Certainly, when I...
Mike Gapes | 507 c213 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will know that I tabled an amendment, which was not selected, asking the Secretary of...
Ann Keen | 507 c213 (Link to this contribution) I assure my hon. Friend that that meeting can be arranged and that that consultation with us can, of...
Andrew Dismore | 507 c213 (Link to this contribution) The Minister of State, Department of Health, made it pretty clear earlier that Whittington A and E d...
Ann Keen | 507 c213 (Link to this contribution) All the proposals are being considered clinically and in the appropriate way. [Hon. Members: "Ah!"] ...
Speaker | 507 c213 (Link to this contribution) Order. The debate is in danger of disintegrating. The Minister is replying to a debate in which a gr...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c179 (Link to this contribution) I will, but then I must end my speech.
Tom Brake | 507 c179 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has talked of his vision. I know that part of his vision for London is the Better Healt...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c179-80 (Link to this contribution) I think we are still on an amber light. I am still very hopeful that a green light may well at some ...
Norman Lamb | 507 c180 (Link to this contribution) The Liberal Democrats welcome this debate on an incredibly important issue for the people of London....
Mike O'Brien | 507 c179 (Link to this contribution) I agree that the process needs to become much more open. Darzi said very clearly that people did not...
Andrew Pelling | 507 c180 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Norman Lamb | 507 c180-1 (Link to this contribution) Not quite yet. I am only 30 seconds into my speech. Our criticism is of the way in which the NHS ma...
Clive Efford | 507 c181 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Norman Lamb | 507 c181 (Link to this contribution) I shall in a moment, but let me finish my point. There is no accountability to the communities that ...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c183 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that invitation, but I have not seen the McKinsey report to ...
Norman Lamb | 507 c182 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman refers to the views of a commissioner from north-west London as tittle-tattle and...
Clive Efford | 507 c182 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman surely cannot base his argument entirely on one anonymous e-mail that he claims t...
Norman Lamb | 507 c181-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes absolutely the right point. It would be scandalous if any of the related pa...
Andy Slaughter | 507 c182 (Link to this contribution) The picture that the hon. Gentleman is painting comes from tittle-tattle and innuendo. I represent a...
Andrew Pelling | 507 c181 (Link to this contribution) I want to congratulate the hon. Gentleman and his colleagues on opening up the debate by having the ...
Norman Lamb | 507 c183 (Link to this contribution) But do you think it should be published?
Norman Lamb | 507 c183 (Link to this contribution) Do you think it should be published?
Mike O'Brien | 507 c183 (Link to this contribution) Well, no; it is not mine to publish. I cannot commit to publishing—
Mike O'Brien | 507 c183 (Link to this contribution) Madam Deputy Speaker, I am being heckled from a sedentary position by the hon. Gentleman who has all...
Norman Lamb | 507 c183 (Link to this contribution) I do not know what to take from that. I do not know whether the Minister believes that the report sh...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c183 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for again inviting me to respond. I do not know what is in the r...
Norman Lamb | 507 c183-4 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased that the Minister will at least ask her about the report, because, as he said earlier, ...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c184 (Link to this contribution) I am a little confused by the point that the hon. Gentleman is making. He referred to the hon. Membe...
Ed Davey | 507 c184 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend give way?
Ed Davey | 507 c184 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my hon. Friend, as I want to explain to the Minister what I was talking about ...
Speaker | 507 c184 (Link to this contribution) Order. A great many people wish to contribute to the debate, so I would ask that interventions pleas...
Jeremy Corbyn | 507 c191-2 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted that we are having this debate and to have the opportunity to put my views on the NHS...
Speaker | 507 c191 (Link to this contribution) Order. I remind hon. Members that the time limit is now reduced to six minutes.
Jeremy Corbyn | 507 c186 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Norman Lamb | 507 c186 (Link to this contribution) No. We want to be able to hold those organisations to account. Until that happens, we will oppose c...
Iain Duncan Smith | 507 c185 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is talking about north-east London, but a year and a half or two years ago Profes...
Norman Lamb | 507 c185-6 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for that intervention. It appears that the PCTs have ...
Glenda Jackson | 507 c187 (Link to this contribution) The issue is not only the waste of money, because the Whittington A and E rumours, which are rife in...
Frank Dobson | 507 c187-9 (Link to this contribution) As ever, I agree with my hon. Friend and good friend. The report that was produced on behalf of the ...
Frank Dobson | 507 c187 (Link to this contribution) I find it very unconvincing when I hear a Tory Front Bencher speaking in favour of reducing health i...
Lord Horam | 507 c189-91 (Link to this contribution) I never thought that I would stand up in the House and agree with the right hon. Member for Holborn ...
Lord Lansley | 507 c169 (Link to this contribution) I can tell the hon. Gentleman this in one sentence: he should go and talk to his local GPs. I have t...
Lord Lansley | 507 c169 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Hornchurch (James Brokenshire), but then I must fin...
Lord Lansley | 507 c168 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman. That is precisely my point. He is right that Ealing hospital has 10...
Clive Efford | 507 c168-9;507 c168 (Link to this contribution) In outer south-east London, when the proposals in the "A picture of health" programme were first put...
Lord Lansley | 507 c167 (Link to this contribution) Time and again I have told the right hon. Lady that we have been committed, over years, to defending...
Joan Ryan | 507 c167 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman referred to Barnet hospital and Chase Farm hospital, which we have discussed befo...
Lord Lansley | 507 c167 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes an extremely important point. Putting a walk-in centre or an urgent care ...
Stephen Pound | 507 c168 (Link to this contribution) May I say that the hon. Gentleman's remarks at the beginning about health inequality in London were ...
Lord Lansley | 507 c168 (Link to this contribution) I can tell my hon. Friend that after the election, one of two things will happen. There will be eith...
Lord Lansley | 507 c170 (Link to this contribution) No. Page 20 of the January 2010 document says:""Implementing Healthcare for London means a consider...
Speaker | 507 c170 (Link to this contribution) Order. Just before I call the Minister to move the Government amendment, I simply state—I think all ...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c170-1 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move an amendment, to leave out from "House" to the end of the Question and add:""recognise...
Emily Thornberry | 507 c171 (Link to this contribution) Is my right hon. and learned Friend aware that NHS Islington is currently engaged in a so-called pre...
Lord Lansley | 507 c169 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and has a unique perspective in that he sees the problem from bo...
James Brokenshire | 507 c169 (Link to this contribution) We have heard about the proposals being clinically led, but does my hon. Friend agree that some of t...
Lord Lansley | 507 c169-70;507 c169 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way, if the hon. Gentlemen will forgive me. Mr. Speaker will not forgive me if I do ...
Lord Lansley | 507 c165 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree. My hon. Friend knows about this, because she, other hon. Friends and I have been t...
Richard Ottaway | 507 c165 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that there is no better example of things not being done that ought to be ...
Theresa Villiers | 507 c165 (Link to this contribution) My constituents are hugely concerned about the future of Barnet hospital and Chase Farm hospital. Do...
Lord Lansley | 507 c164-5;507 c164 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I can give the reassurance that decisions will be made locally in relation to local need...
David Evennett | 507 c164 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a powerful case. He has visited our area, south-east London, regularly to s...
Lord Lansley | 507 c164 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point. Experience suggests that merging three failing organisation...
Robert Neill | 507 c164 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a powerful point. Is he aware that that concern is particularly reinforced in s...
Lord Lansley | 507 c163-4 (Link to this contribution) No, as I want to make some points about the Healthcare for London programme. In January, NHS London...
Ed Davey | 507 c163 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Lansley | 507 c162-3 (Link to this contribution) Yes; my hon. Friend has made a very important point. We have to be focused on results. I am afraid t...
Lord Lansley | 507 c166 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to my right hon. Friend the Member for Chingford and Woodford Green (Mr. Duncan Smit...
Iain Duncan Smith | 507 c167;507 c166-7 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend bear in mind the fact that we have had exactly this problem in north-east London...
Greg Hands | 507 c166 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will know that the north-west London commissioning partnership is looking at closing ...
Lord Lansley | 507 c166 (Link to this contribution) I promised you, Mr. Speaker, that I would confine myself to taking interventions from those who are ...
Lord Lansley | 507 c166 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who makes a very important point. One of the assumptions is a 60 pe...
Ed Davey | 507 c165 (Link to this contribution) I, too, deplore the secrecy of the process. Will the hon. Gentleman therefore join me, and his hon. ...
Lord Lansley | 507 c165 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that my hon. Friend has made that point, because I can give him that assurance. Indeed, I ...
Lord Lansley | 507 c165-6 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree that it would be very helpful if those management consultancy reports were publishe...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c177-8 (Link to this contribution) If the right hon. Gentleman will forgive me, I have said that others want to speak. I want to make p...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c178 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman wants to be non-party-political, so let me be non-party-political as well. ...
Iain Duncan Smith | 507 c178 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. This is not a party-political point: I believe that Me...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c178 (Link to this contribution) Before I end my speech—I think it is time that I did—let me give way to the right hon. Member for Ch...
Speaker | 507 c176 (Link to this contribution) Order. I understand that the temperature is rising on both sides of the House, but may I advise Memb...
Joan Ryan | 507 c176 (Link to this contribution) The Minister will know that Chase Farm hospital is a very good and much-loved, much-needed hospital....
Iain Duncan Smith | 507 c179 (Link to this contribution) The only reason I gave that example was that it was clear that a decision had already been made, and...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c172-3 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Lady will forgive me, I need to make some progress; many people want to speak in the deb...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c172 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the hon. Lady says, but if she reads my comments just now and listens carefully, she wil...
Baroness Featherstone | 507 c172 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the Minister's remarks because, as he knows, the socio-demographic circumstances around Wh...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c172 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the hon. Lady, but then I want to make some progress.
Mike O'Brien | 507 c172 (Link to this contribution) If my hon. Friend will forgive me, I want to return to the various discussions that have taken place...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c172 (Link to this contribution) We are looking with great care at all the various proposals and Chase Farm hospital is the subject o...
Jeremy Corbyn | 507 c172 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. and learned Friend for his reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Islington, S...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c171-2;507 c171 (Link to this contribution) As my hon. Friend knows, I have said in a debate on the Floor of the House in December that I have c...
David Burrowes | 507 c172 (Link to this contribution) Is there any prospect of any change from this Government to the decision to downgrade Chase Farm hos...
Andy Slaughter | 507 c175 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. and learned Friend correctly identifies the fact that the Opposition speech was about ...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c175 (Link to this contribution) I will, and then I will make some more progress.
Mike O'Brien | 507 c175-6 (Link to this contribution) Our former hon. Friend, Keith Bradley, found that a campaign was run about a supposed hospital closu...
Speaker | 507 c175 (Link to this contribution) Order. Interventions are to be brief.
Simon Hughes | 507 c174 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister realise that the reason why a lot of people are fearful and suspicious is that the...
Andy Slaughter | 507 c175 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. and learned Friend give way?
Mike O'Brien | 507 c174 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the hon. Gentleman in a moment. The NHS changes are difficult, and they do raise...
Tom Brake | 507 c162 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. On the subject of implications, will he make it clear to ...
Lord Lansley | 507 c162 (Link to this contribution) I assure the hon. Gentleman that what I have said about public health will not impact directly on th...
Lord Lansley | 507 c160-1 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That this House recognises that London has some of the leading hospitals and healthca...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c161 (Link to this contribution) I share the hon. Gentleman's concern about health inequalities in London, and I am curious to know h...
Lord Lansley | 507 c161-2 (Link to this contribution) In a second, as I want to make the point set out in our motion. We have previously given Ministers a...
Lord Lansley | 507 c161 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister is in no position to tell us what the spending in individual primary care trusts wil...
Tom Brake | 507 c161 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
David Burrowes | 507 c162 (Link to this contribution) No areas of public health are more important than drug abuse and drug treatment. A great deal of pub...
Speaker | 507 c160 (Link to this contribution) I inform the House that I have selected the amendment in the name of the Prime Minister. The House w...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c176-7 (Link to this contribution) I am very happy to meet my right hon. Friend to discuss the ambulance situation and to look at the w...
Mike O'Brien | 507 c174-5 (Link to this contribution) It is the case that Government funding for the NHS has, of course, increased massively over the past...
Andrew Pelling | 507 c205-7 (Link to this contribution) I am very mindful that others wish to speak, so I shall be brief. The Minister constantly refers to ...
Justine Greening | 507 c210-1 (Link to this contribution) I think it would have a number of important differences. First, it would be led at a local level by ...
Ed Davey | 507 c210 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way and I agree with an awful lot that she is saying. Will...
Andy Slaughter | 507 c212 (Link to this contribution) After five years, my constituents are fed up with Tory smears that my local hospital will be closed ...
Norman Lamb | 507 c183 (Link to this contribution) I have expressed the view from north-west London, but we have heard other stories from north-east an...
Norman Lamb | 507 c184-5 (Link to this contribution) Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker, and I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that explanation....
Baroness Kramer | 507 c170 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Mike O'Brien | 507 c179 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the right hon. Gentleman will stop shouting at me from a sedentary position and listen to wh...
Ann Keen | 507 c213 (Link to this contribution) I can give that assurance to my hon. Friend. There is no case for that at all.
Stephen Hammond | 507 c167-8;507 c167 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend made a comment about Kingston hospital. I was so concerned about some of the campaign...
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