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Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Monday, 29 November 2010, in the House of Lords.

Public Bodies Bill [HL]

Public Bodies Bill (HL). Lords committee stage second day. Clause 1 (Power to abolish) agreed to as amended. Schedule 1 (Power to Abolish: Bodies and Offices) under consideration.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
722 c1297-340, 1354-62 
Session
2010-12
Department
Cabinet Office
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1334-5 (Link to this contribution) At that time that was certainly the case. I accept that. The 2007 Act did not do away with the counc...
Viscount Eccles | 722 c1314-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have lived, and worked in industry, in the north-east for 55 years. I have been disappoi...
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Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1309 (Link to this contribution) I utterly understand the purpose of the noble Baroness’s amendment and the challenge it presents to ...
Lord Greaves | 722 c1298-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am glad that I was here in good time. I will speak also to Amendment 103 in the same gro...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1332-3 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble and learned Baroness for her contribution, and the noble Lord, Lord Borrie, for pr...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1319-20 (Link to this contribution) I am not in a position to comment in detail on the noble Lord’s figures. That is a matter for discus...
Lord Liddle | 722 c1321 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his last point on arranging a briefing for us. Some of us are sti...
Lord Borrie | 722 c1321 (Link to this contribution) 17: Schedule 1, page 16, line 4, leave out ““Administrative Justice and Tribunals Council.””
Lord Borrie | 722 c1321-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we now come to the long list of bodies, listed alphabetically, that are scheduled in Sched...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1318 (Link to this contribution) I do not believe that that is the case, and having listened to my noble friend Lord Eccles talk abou...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 722 c1318 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister say that a local authority is an eligible person under the provisions of Clause 1?
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1318-9 (Link to this contribution) The arrangements at the moment for local enterprise partnerships require the complementary co-operat...
Lord Beecham | 722 c1319 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister acknowledge that the north-east alone had £340 million in its annual budget? What,...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1317-8 (Link to this contribution) The Government are hoping that their proposals for local enterprise partnerships will be equally sup...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 722 c1318 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I find this argument really quite strange. The LEPs are being dictated. That is the only t...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 722 c1317 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hesitate to intervene; however, one of the points I am simply trying to make is that the...
Lord King of Bridgwater | 722 c1316 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the noble Baroness in speaking for the south-west, although I do not regard her ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1316-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Liddle, for moving this amendment, because it has led to a really inter...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 722 c1315 (Link to this contribution) I undertake not to delay the House for long. We no doubt wish to hear from the noble Baroness. I wo...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 722 c1315-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also support the amendments tabled by my noble friend Lord Liddle. This brief debate has...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 722 c1315 (Link to this contribution) My Lords—I beg the noble Lord’s pardon: after you.
Lord Greaves | 722 c1312-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have considerable sympathy with the gist of Amendments 8, 12 and 16. I am aware that we ...
Lord Beecham | 722 c1311-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the amendment moved by my noble friend Lord Liddle, and I associate myself...
Lord Liddle | 722 c1309-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope I will not detain the House for long on this set of amendments. Like the noble Baro...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 722 c1310-1 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend Lord Liddle. He is much identified with the west of the north—if I may put...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1308 (Link to this contribution) To the extent that the sale would impose conditions on any buyer, I imagine that the terms of such a...
Lord Greaves | 722 c1308 (Link to this contribution) Can I follow that with a question? If a forest was sold to a private landowner and the terms of the ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1308 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry but I will, if I may, go back to the whole business of public access. Public access is a ...
Lord Greaves | 722 c1308 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry; I did not make myself terribly clear. If right of access, which perhaps is a public func...
Baroness Henig | 722 c1308-9 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his full and considered reply, and all those who have intervened on this am...
Lord Liddle | 722 c1309 (Link to this contribution) 8: Clause 1, page 1, line 6, at beginning insert ““Subject to the exception in subsection (4),””
Baroness Henig | 722 c1309 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Lord for taking seriously the spirit of the amendments. As I said be...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1308 (Link to this contribution) If another non-departmental public body takes them on, that will indeed be the case. On the whole b...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1307 (Link to this contribution) It is surely up to the Minister to determine to what extent that is transferred. It is certainly not...
Lord Clark of Windermere | 722 c1308 (Link to this contribution) Can I press the Minister a little more on freedom of information? I listened very carefully to what ...
Lord Blackwell | 722 c1306 (Link to this contribution) I want to make it clear to the noble Lord that I am speaking in a private capacity and not represent...
Lord Berkeley | 722 c1305 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I found the intervention by the noble Lord opposite quite interesting because I do not thi...
Lord Blackwell | 722 c1305 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, since this is the first time that I have participated in Committee on the Bill, perhaps I ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 722 c1307 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord clarify one point? My assumption is that when a function is transferred to a com...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1307 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Rowlands, has made an interesting suggestion. I think that by the time we have ...
Lord Rowlands | 722 c1307 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting the Minister. I wonder whether it might help the Committee if the Gover...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1306-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Henig, for moving her amendment, which also stands in the...
Baroness Henig | 722 c1303 (Link to this contribution) 7A: Clause 1, page 1, line 4, leave out subsection (2) and insert— ““(2) A Minister may, subject to ...
Baroness Henig | 722 c1303-4 (Link to this contribution) This is a probing amendment arising from the fact that Schedule 1 includes a collection of very diff...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 722 c1304-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend in her amendments. As we have already briefly debated, Clause 1(...
Lord Pannick | 722 c1305 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to add a question to the series of questions put by the noble Lord, Lord Hun...
Lord Greaves | 722 c1302 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for some of the assurances that the Minister has given. But the debate which...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1302 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, ultimately, there is no greater safeguard than the will of Parliament, as expressed throug...
Lord Greaves | 722 c1303 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is one assurance I can well believe. This amendment is about keeping some of the saf...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 722 c1303 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may reassure the noble Lord that we have found a better place to bring it back s...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 722 c1301-2 (Link to this contribution) The Minister gave the impression that it might involve new bodies in a continuing dialogue with Mini...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1301 (Link to this contribution) On the contrary: Ministers are accountable to Parliament. If Ministers do not perform how Parliament...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 722 c1301 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord agree that one of the problems with this Bill is that potentially all the functi...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 722 c1300 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful if that is correct but the Minister may have seen a report on ““Countryfile”” on BBC t...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1301 (Link to this contribution) I think I have answered the question as best as I can. I cannot refer to a television programme whic...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 722 c1300 (Link to this contribution) If it runs through everything that the coalition Government are doing, how does the noble Lord recon...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1300 (Link to this contribution) I think the noble Lord is anticipating government policy incorrectly. There is no question of us sel...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1300 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my noble friend Lord Greaves for bringing forward this amendment. As the noble...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 722 c1299-300 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, is right to remind us of our previous debates on sustainabil...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 722 c1299 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend and the amendment. Undoubtedly, it may be regarded as not belonging in a s...
Lord Greaves | 722 c1298 (Link to this contribution) 6: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, at beginning insert ““Subject to the provisions of section (Duty to pro...
Lord Whitty | 722 c1354-7 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 18 relates to the Advisory Committee on Hazardous Substances and the Advisory Committee on...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 722 c1357-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Whitty. I, too, am a former Minister at Defra, although we ...
Baroness Quin | 722 c1358-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support my noble friend Lord Whitty on Amendment 18 and to use this opportunity ...
Lord Berkeley | 722 c1358 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friends have set out very well the argument against the abolition of the Advisory...
Lord Whitty | 722 c1362 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for explaining some of the background to this. It was intend...
Lord Henley | 722 c1360-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope I can answer some of the points put by the noble Baroness and her noble friends. I ...
Lord Sewel | 722 c1333 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord mentioned the devolved authorities—the noble Lord, Lord Newton, has already taken him...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1333 (Link to this contribution) It will be necessary to get a consent motion from both devolved authorities. I think that I have sai...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 722 c1330-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is with mixed feelings that I rise to speak about the Administrative Justice and Tribun...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 722 c1333 (Link to this contribution) Does that mean that we will have the ultimate absurdity of the Government abolishing the Administrat...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1333 (Link to this contribution) That is entirely up to the devolved authorities to determine. I make no apologies; there is logic be...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 722 c1322-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise now not to trample on the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd, whose name is the sec...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 722 c1326-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support this amendment, and I am very glad to follow the noble Lord, Lord Newton, ...
Lord Howe of Aberavon | 722 c1328-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am the final person who has their name down in support of the amendment, and I support a...
Lord Pannick | 722 c1330 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I add my support to this amendment and agree with all that has been said. There is a furth...
Lord Sewel | 722 c1333 (Link to this contribution) That is helpful, but what happens if the devolved authorities do not proceed with the legislative co...
Lord Whitty | 722 c1354 (Link to this contribution) 18: Schedule 1, page 16, leave out lines 5 to 9
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1337 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the proceedings of this House will be widely studied. I am certain that the Governmen...
Lord Borrie | 722 c1337-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in this debate there has been not a single person who has given support in any way to the ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1335-7 (Link to this contribution) No, I cannot give that answer. The noble Lord correctly referred to the advisory council. We are tal...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 722 c1337 (Link to this contribution) I am aware that the House wants to get on, but, before my noble friend concludes, perhaps I may make...
Lord Warner | 722 c1335 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the Minister in full flow. I have listened very carefully to this. He has ma...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 722 c1333-4 (Link to this contribution) We have no reason to suppose that that will happen. We are talking to the devolved authorities about...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 722 c1334 (Link to this contribution) On that last point, I find it very difficult—perhaps the noble Lord could deal with this—to reconcil...
Subjects
Devolved matters Accountability Administration of justice Assets Business Closures Environment Hazardous substances Food Standards Agency Local government Ministerial powers Property transfer Public bodies Pesticides Ombudsman Non-departmental public bodies National parks Scotland Tribunals Sustainable development Wales Regional development agencies Advisory Committee on Pesticides Administrative Justice and Tribunals Council Local enterprise partnerships Advisory Committee on Hazardous Substances
Legislation
Public Bodies Bill (HL) 2010-12
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