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Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Monday, 28 February 2011, in the House of Lords.

Public Bodies Bill [HL]

Public Bodies Bill (HL). Lords committee stage seventh day. Schedule 1: Power to abolish: bodies and offices, under consideration.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
725 c797-834, c847-65, c881-918 
Session
2010-12
Department
Cabinet Office
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Henig | 725 c903-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest as the current chair of the Security Industry Authority and presiden...
Baroness Meacher | 725 c906-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak very briefly in support of the comments of the noble Baroness, Lady Henig, th...
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Baroness Meacher | 725 c911 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has repeatedly referred to the industry as though it was some uniform set of organisati...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 725 c911-3 (Link to this contribution) I accept that this industry—I do not know what other term I can use: perhaps ““this occupation””—has...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 725 c913-4 (Link to this contribution) I will come to the noble Lord’s point about the relationship with the devolved Administrations. I ha...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 725 c907-9 (Link to this contribution) I add my congratulations and thanks to my noble friend Lady Henig for the work she does as the chair...
Lord Ramsbotham | 725 c909 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I add just one concern to what has already been said. That is in relation to the criminal ...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 725 c909-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support my noble friend Lady Royall of Blaisdon. I am most surprised that the Go...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 725 c910-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lords who have spoken in this debate and made some important points. Man...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 725 c918 (Link to this contribution) We were not planning on proceeding further tonight.
Lord Empey | 725 c914-5 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way. The noble Lord, Lord Foulkes of Cumnock, raised this earlier. I...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 725 c914 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister envisage, in the new regime, that the individuals themselves will undertake CRB ch...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 725 c915-6 (Link to this contribution) To take the noble Lord’s last point, I do not think that it follows that, because one decides not to...
Lord Whitty | 725 c916 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before my noble friend decides what to do with this amendment, I should like to ask a ques...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 725 c915 (Link to this contribution) I understand entirely the point that the noble Lord makes. I would say two things about that. Clearl...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 725 c915 (Link to this contribution) I know that there are other topics that we need to discuss and I apologise for intervening, but it l...
Lord Judd | 725 c918 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there are hazards in going away from London in the middle of a Bill. Rapid developments so...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 725 c916 (Link to this contribution) Having removed the basis for the present regime, we obviously need to have a basis for the new regim...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 725 c916-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am utterly perplexed at the end of this very good debate. We have a regime which was int...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 725 c892-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak to Amendment 51, which opposes the abolition of the East of England Development Ag...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 725 c895-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I begin by thanking noble Lords for their contributions to this debate. It has been an exc...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 725 c896 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to delay the House, because I know that there is other business that we want to get do...
Lord Greaves | 725 c886 (Link to this contribution) I actually spoke about the north-west and not the north-east, but I will back the north-east as well...
Lord Empey | 725 c885-6 (Link to this contribution) I have always been a devolutionist and felt that there had to be a local dimension to most things. T...
Lord Whitty | 725 c887-8 (Link to this contribution) My aim is to speak to Amendment 56 which deals with the south-west region. It is not simply to convi...
Lord Empey | 725 c886-7 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord was saying at one stage, if I recall, that part of his region felt that it belonged t...
Lord Hoyle | 725 c889-92 (Link to this contribution) This has been a very interesting debate on RDAs so far. I refer to some of the remarks of the noble ...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 725 c888-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before we remove RDAs entirely from our lexicon, I would like to put on record the really ...
Lord Greaves | 725 c900 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for intervening again. The resources may be significant, as the Minister said, but they ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 725 c900 (Link to this contribution) I cannot guarantee that all the 450 proposals will find funding. However, I can be sure that the one...
Lord Hoyle | 725 c900 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister say why he thinks he will develop skills better than the RDAs have done?
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 725 c900 (Link to this contribution) The skills will be developed as part of the skills policy of the Government. My honourable friend in...
Lord Greaves | 725 c897-8 (Link to this contribution) I will give my noble friend a slight rest. Does he not accept that, not only are the Government appa...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 725 c897 (Link to this contribution) I take a great deal of comfort from my noble friend Lord Bates, who shares my view of the ability of...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 725 c897 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister accept that the Government are out of step with virtually everyone in the north-ea...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 725 c896-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for that intervention, because it gives me the opportunity to respon...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 725 c899-900 (Link to this contribution) I was coming to the whole business of Newhaven. I am grateful to the noble Baroness for mentioning e...
Baroness Whitaker | 725 c899 (Link to this contribution) What the noble Lord has to say about LEPs does not exactly fit the situation of Newhaven, where the ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 725 c898-9 (Link to this contribution) I should remind the noble Lord that I do not consider £1.4 billion in the regional growth fund to be...
Lord Bates | 725 c856-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in many ways, this debate reflects the sense of where we are with the whole Bill, because ...
Lord Ramsbotham | 725 c856 (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest: my son is the chairman of the North East Chamber of Commerce, which the noble...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 725 c854-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I follow my noble friends Lord Beecham and Lord Shipley. Newcastle has spoken from both si...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 725 c847-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is clear from the amendment that these Benches seek to remove RDAs from Schedule 1, whi...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 725 c847 (Link to this contribution) 49: Schedule 1, page 17, leave out lines 15 to 22
Lord Shipley | 725 c852-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, for much of the period since the Second World War—and indeed before—Governments have pursu...
Lord Beecham | 725 c850-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in the coalition lexicon, there is a six-letter word missing: it is the word ““region””. I...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 725 c833 (Link to this contribution) I have had discussions with the representatives of the trade unions from Silvan House, who have brie...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 725 c833 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I never like to accuse the noble Lord of not having done something, because he is assiduou...
Lord Clark of Windermere | 725 c833-4 (Link to this contribution) I rise very briefly just to say that it is a very unusual experience to find that one of my co-signa...
Lord Henley | 725 c833 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is not the case. I am not sure that the advice which the noble Lord has received was ...
Lord Empey | 725 c885 (Link to this contribution) First, I have not denied anybody anything. I am just beginning to develop my argument. The fundament...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 725 c885 (Link to this contribution) If the responsibility that the noble Lord is referring to in the case of Northern Ireland were trans...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 725 c885 (Link to this contribution) Is it not the case that the noble Lord in Northern Ireland, we in Scotland and colleagues in Wales w...
Lord Empey | 725 c884-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have been listening to the debate, but the truth is that there is no single solution to ...
Lord Judd | 725 c883-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I just wanted to follow my noble friend Lord Campbell-Savours because he has put so powerf...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 725 c881-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intervene briefly because I shall concentrate my remarks during proceedings on the Repor...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 725 c865 (Link to this contribution) I do not know Sir John Banham but it seems extraordinary that more than £40,000 has been paid out fr...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 725 c862-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to speak to Amendment 56, drawing on my experience as the Minister with responsibil...
Lord Greaves | 725 c859-62 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have heard a lot from the north-east during the discussion on these amendments and I wa...
Baroness Whitaker | 725 c858-9 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to Amendment 55, leaving the north-east. The grounds for my amendment, in contrast t...
Lord Whitty | 725 c902-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise briefly to support this amendment. I do so partly because I was in on the beginning...
Lord Beecham | 725 c900 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister indicate in monetary terms the extent of the bids that have been made?
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 725 c900-1 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not have that information available, but we know the amount of money that is available for ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 725 c901 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his response, which I will carefully consider, and I loo...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 725 c901 (Link to this contribution) 59: Schedule 1, page 17, line 23, leave out ““Security Industry Authority.””
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 725 c800 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for the statement that he made. Naturally, I warmly welcom...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 725 c797-800 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into a Committee upon the ...
Lord Goodhart | 725 c801 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am extremely grateful to my noble friend Lord Taylor of Holbeach for informing us of the...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 725 c801 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister was kind enough to refer to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay, and myse...
Lord Clark of Windermere | 725 c818 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the Minister that there come occasions when it is appropriate to sell a small part of t...
Lord Henley | 725 c818 (Link to this contribution) No decisions have been made about any of that whatever, but I remind the noble Lord that, although i...
Lord Clark of Windermere | 725 c820 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I appreciate that the Minister has been very generous with his time with me. However, in o...
Lord Henley | 725 c820 (Link to this contribution) That would depend on legal advice on one’s interpretation of the Forestry Act 1967. The noble Lord w...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 725 c818-9 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for intervening, but I wanted to make certain that I understood exactly what the Ministe...
Lord Henley | 725 c819 (Link to this contribution) I will not speculate on the make-up of that panel other than what I have said already. I said that t...
Lord Rooker | 725 c822-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will intervene briefly in the debate because I realise that the Minister and the noble L...
Lord Greaves | 725 c823-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, along with other noble Lords, I thank the Government, particularly my noble colleague Lord...
Lord Judd | 725 c820-1 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the whole House would agree that it is a great privilege to participate in a debate o...
Bishop of Gloucester | 725 c821-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, am grateful to the noble Lords, Lord Taylor and Lord Henley, for what they have sa...
Lord Williams of Elvel | 725 c826 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not wish to detain your Lordships with other matters, but I should like to ask the Mi...
Bishop of Guildford | 725 c826-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am enormously grateful to the noble Lords, Lord Taylor and Lord Henley, for their interv...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 725 c827 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be extremely brief, but first perhaps I might follow the right reverend Prelate’s ...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 725 c827-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, to save time, I shall spare your Lordships my musings on my ramblings around the Forest of...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 725 c828 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I might ask one question on Scotland. Before anyone jumps up and says that this le...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 725 c828-30 (Link to this contribution) I, too, am very grateful to the Minister for the information that he provided at the beginning of th...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 725 c830-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it might be helpful if I answer some of the points raised before the noble Lord, Lord Clar...
Lord Judd | 725 c831 (Link to this contribution) After quite a number of years in both Houses, I am weary of Ministers putting words into your mouth ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 725 c831-2 (Link to this contribution) I could not agree more with the noble Lord, other than that I believe that a smaller—I am not going ...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 725 c832-3 (Link to this contribution) I put it to the Minister that two factors are affecting the staff at Corstorphine. One is the genera...
Lord Dubs | 725 c803 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, am a supporter of what NESTA has done and of its very innovative work and enormous...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 725 c803-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to speak briefly as a great admirer of NESTA, an organisation that works in an exci...
Lord Warner | 725 c801 (Link to this contribution) 44: Schedule 1, page 17, line 8, leave out ““National Endowment for Science, Technology and the Arts...
Lord Warner | 725 c802 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in this new mood of enthusiasm for constructive scrutiny, I rise to speak to the amendment...
Lord Berkeley | 725 c809 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is attached to the amendment and I fully support what my noble friend has said abo...
Earl of Mar and Kellie | 725 c809 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in a single sentence I hope that my noble friend the Minister will be able to point active...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 725 c806 (Link to this contribution) 46: Schedule 1, page 17, line 10, leave out ““Railway Heritage Committee.””
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 725 c806-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very pleased to continue the mood of co-operation and friendliness between the variou...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 725 c804-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Warner, for introducing this amendment, and the noble Lords, ...
Lord Warner | 725 c805-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his full explanation. I am still just a shade puzzled as...
Lord Rosser | 725 c810-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be relatively brief, having seen a copy of the statement on the Government’s intent...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 725 c811-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I should start with the question posed by the noble Lord, Lord Bichard. I hope tha...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 725 c812-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to this short debate. I am a little overwhelm...
Lord Clark of Windermere | 725 c813 (Link to this contribution) 47: Schedule 1, page 17, line 11, leave out ““Regional advisory committees established under section...
Lord Bichard | 725 c809-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a slightly broader question for the Minister. What discussions have taken place bet...
Lord Henley | 725 c818 (Link to this contribution) Decisions will be made as appropriate. The point is that the previous Government—I will mention the ...
Lord Clark of Windermere | 725 c813-5 (Link to this contribution) I believe that with Amendment 47 we are also discussing a series of other amendments which relate to...
Lord Brabazon of Tara | 725 c815 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should point out that if this amendment is agreed to I will not be able to call Amendmen...
Lord Henley | 725 c815-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord, Lord Judd, speaks, I think that it will be useful if I intervene to...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 725 c818 (Link to this contribution) I have a brief question for the Minister. When I was a Minister working with my noble friend, we wer...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 725 c913 (Link to this contribution) Would that be a new regulatory body for England or for the United Kingdom? If only for England, what...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 725 c914 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, CRB checks will be relevant. I cannot immediately answer whether they have to be done by th...
Lord Greaves | 725 c892 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the noble Lord—as he says, both of us know the Pennines well—will agree that when a...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 725 c864 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord, but he has twice mentioned Sir John Banham, and his last ref...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 725 c902 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment is on the abolition of the Security Industry Authority. I pay tribute to my...
Lord Hoyle | 725 c892 (Link to this contribution) I could not agree more with the noble Lord. Of course that is what is going to happen. Something is ...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 725 c801 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I add my thanks to my noble friend Lord Taylor for the dedicated way in which he has appli...
Notes
Lord Taylor of Holbeach: "...we intend that Schedule 7 and Clause 11 be removed from the Bill" [725 c799].
Subjects
Devolved matters Charities Closures Licensing Forestry Forestry Commission Northern Ireland Public sector Public bodies Public expenditure Non-departmental public bodies Public finance Scotland Security Small businesses Regulation Wales Security guards Regional development agencies Nesta North East Design Council Security Industry Authority Railway Heritage Committee Local enterprise partnerships
Legislation
Public Bodies Bill (HL) 2010-12
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