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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Monday, 18 July 2011, in the House of Lords.

Education Bill

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2010-12
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Department for Education
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Earl of Listowel | 729 c404GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be brief. I am grateful for the Minister’s reassurances that children in the care o...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c418GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt my noble friend. I think he will find when he reads Hansard tomorrow that at...
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Lord Avebury | 729 c389GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we certainly will have to return to this matter in a different context but we will have to...
Lord Geddes | 729 c388GC (Link to this contribution) With great respect to the Minister, the noble Lord, Lord Peston, was entirely right, as a Division h...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c388GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would have finished it by now if the noble Lord had not intervened. There is an extreme...
Lord Touhig | 729 c392-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we had a good debate on this issue on the second day of Committee. I do not intend to deta...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c384GC (Link to this contribution) The Catholic schools that I know, and which I have the most experience of, incorporate all the vario...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c376GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have no interest to declare save that in previous pieces of legislation I have tried to ...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 729 c367GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to make a couple of comments. First, much of the anxiety about the current grading ...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c394-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I stand to move Amendment 100A and speak also to Amendments 101A, 103ZA and 107B in my nam...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c394GC (Link to this contribution) 100A: Clause 34, page 33, line 15, at end insert— ““( ) In section 84 (code for schools admissions) ...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c398-400GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to speak to this group of amendments in part to avoid speaking in a clause stand pa...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c397-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have Amendment 103A in this group. What concerns me is that someone should have oversigh...
Lord Touhig | 729 c401GC (Link to this contribution) I support the objectives in the noble Lord’s amendment. However, in voluntary aided Catholic schools...
Lord Rix | 729 c400-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 102 addresses a variety of concerns I have in relation to the relaxing of duties...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c401-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would also like to speak to this group of amendments. I support the amendments moved by ...
Lord Rix | 729 c401GC (Link to this contribution) That is an extremely awkward question. In fairness to you, I should say that it should not remove th...
Lord Rix | 729 c394GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to everyone who has spoken. I hope that the Minister can write to me du...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c393-4GC (Link to this contribution) I will be brief. I can say yes to the noble Baroness, Lady Hughes. We will be clear before we reach ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c388-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Peston, for my hubris but I shall do so later. ...
Countess of Mar | 729 c388GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I remind noble Lords that there is a problem if mobile phones are switched to silent in th...
Lord Peston | 729 c388GC (Link to this contribution) It is just that I do not want his speech to be ruined by the fact that we may need to march out duri...
Lord Peston | 729 c387GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the Minister. I am very much looking forward to hearing his speech, but the ...
Lord Avebury | 729 c390GC (Link to this contribution) I am in the middle of a sentence. I shall give way when I finish it. How can we have tolerance when ...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c390GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. Will his tolerance for other people’s points of view...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c392GC (Link to this contribution) I point out to the Committee that my noble friend Lord Storey has withdrawn Amendment 100ZA, but for...
Lord Elton | 729 c392GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this might be the right moment to ask the Minister to tell me in his reply—or, more probab...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c393GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is encouraging to hear that the Government are approaching this in such a careful and t...
Lord Avebury | 729 c390-1GC (Link to this contribution) I was going to come on to the question of who is entitled to make this decision. I do not believe th...
Lord Rix | 729 c391GC (Link to this contribution) 99: Clause 30, page 32, line 17, at end insert— ““( ) Where a child has a special educational need, ...
Lord Rix | 729 c391GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to speak to Amendment 99, tabled in my name, regarding issues around the duty for s...
Lord Laming | 729 c391-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Rix, has indicated, the Minister generously met a group of us last...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c393GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise briefly to thank the noble Lord, Lord Laming, my noble friend and other noble Lords...
Lord Griffiths of Burry Port | 729 c380-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I confess myself to be a little confused that the exigencies of the arrangements of this R...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c382-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think I should try to sit in a different seat in future, because every time I sit here I...
Baroness Whitaker | 729 c383GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord, but since he mentioned my name, I should say that I do not t...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 729 c381-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very pleased that I gave way to the noble Lord, Lord Griffiths. It was a humane contr...
Baroness Whitaker | 729 c382GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that my noble friend Lord Griffiths, who is temporarily sitting on the other side,...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c384GC (Link to this contribution) Before we continue, I should say that this has been a fascinating debate and I rather sense that we ...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c383-4GC (Link to this contribution) In fact, I did not say that schools are places of learning only. I would support schools that have a...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c383GC (Link to this contribution) That is technically true, but it forces them to accept assumptions—I shall not be provocative and sa...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c384GC (Link to this contribution) If I may just interject, strong arguments are being made on all sides but I would like to make one a...
Lord Touhig | 729 c385GC (Link to this contribution) May I just respond to the Minister? The Government are quite wrong. This is the second occasion on w...
Lord Lucas | 729 c385GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that the noble Lord is misinterpreting the rules of Committee. The Minister speaki...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 729 c385GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we need not just information, but a little guidance as this Committee stage could go on an...
Bishop of Lichfield | 729 c386GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank those who set out so clearly the reasons against religious assemblies for schools....
Baroness Flather | 729 c387GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, church schools are extremely popular, especially with ethnic minority parents. They feel t...
Lord Quirk | 729 c386-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if there is one thing that is clearly agreed in the Committee this afternoon, it is the va...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c387GC (Link to this contribution) Behind me is a portrait of the judgment of Daniel. Actually, I think that it should be a portrait of...
Lord Avebury | 729 c369GC (Link to this contribution) 92: After Clause 29, insert the following new Clause— ““Collective worship (1) Section 70 of SSFA 19...
Lord Lucas | 729 c369GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 91 withdrawn. Amendment 92 Moved by
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c369GC (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend sits down, the Government are looking at progress reports for schools, which ...
Lord Lucas | 729 c368-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the difficulty is that the key stage 2 and key stage 1 data that are published are so coar...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c374GC (Link to this contribution) I had no intention to intervene in this debate, but the right reverend Prelate said that he thought ...
Bishop of Oxford | 729 c374-5GC (Link to this contribution) I just point out the statistic that 98 per cent of primary schools have a daily act of worship. The ...
Baroness Flather | 729 c373-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have put my name to the amendment. I want to tell you of my own two experiences of colle...
Bishop of Oxford | 729 c374GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, declare an interest as a bishop of the Church of England. It will not surprise your Lordship...
Lord Avebury | 729 c369-72GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest: as an honorary associate of the National Secular Society; as a Budd...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c372-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to speak to Amendment 97 in my name. I thank the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, for his ...
Lord Touhig | 729 c376-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest as a Christian. I am concerned about these amendments. Currently the...
Lord Touhig | 729 c377GC (Link to this contribution) That is not the case. It is a question of parental decision. If we accept the European Convention on...
Lord Avebury | 729 c377GC (Link to this contribution) Is it all right for peer pressure to compel them to take part in collective worship, although not to...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 729 c375-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the contributions of my noble friend Lady Massey and the noble Lord, Lord Avebur...
Lord Peston | 729 c378-80GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I start by declaring an interest, or in my case a lack of interest, in that I am an atheis...
Baroness Brinton | 729 c377GC (Link to this contribution) The distinction is clear in the Act about collective worship versus religious education. These amend...
Lord Touhig | 729 c377-8GC (Link to this contribution) Parents have a right to decide on their children’s education and, if they choose for their children ...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c378GC (Link to this contribution) Could I interrupt my noble friend? Members of your Lordships’ House are a good deal older than schoo...
Lord Touhig | 729 c378GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, indeed, and a number of Members did not come into the Chamber. It is right and proper that they...
Lord Lucas | 729 c365-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, again I have received a very satisfactory e-mail from the Government on this subject. My o...
Lord Lucas | 729 c365GC (Link to this contribution) 91: After Clause 29, insert the following new Clause— ““Marks to be published at Key Stages 4 and 5 ...
Lord Peston | 729 c366GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I ask the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, to enlighten me, as I do not know much about what goes o...
Lord Lucas | 729 c366GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps someone will rescue me if I get this wrong—there are several experts here—but, gen...
Lord Peston | 729 c367GC (Link to this contribution) I would like to add another question. Is the purpose of this to compare schools? Is that the point? ...
Lord Lucas | 729 c367GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, comparing schools is a complicated business and you have to take all sorts of things into ...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c367-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend has made strong arguments for making comprehensive, transparent informatio...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c368GC (Link to this contribution) I have a quick question. Is there a measure that is easily understood and easily available to judge ...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c410-1GC (Link to this contribution) I am loath to sound authoritative on the English and Welsh system, but I know something of the syste...
Lord Lucas | 729 c410GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 138. I like faith schools and I want parents to be able to choo...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c409-10GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendments 140 and 141 in this group. I was fascinated by the previous debate ...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c409GC (Link to this contribution) 103: Clause 34, page 33, line 33, at end insert— ““( ) In paragraph 5 of Schedule 11 to the Equality...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c407-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response and I also thank other noble Lords who contributed t...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c405-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I start by responding to the noble Baroness, Lady Hughes, and recognising her commitment t...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 729 c405GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may make a brief intervention because, obviously, one supports a great deal of w...
Lord Lucas | 729 c404GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I look forward to what my noble friend has to say because I share some of the concerns of ...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 729 c403-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the idea that schools should have discretion in relation to admissions policy bu...
Lord Touhig | 729 c414-5GC (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my noble friend for clarifying that point, because it is important that we ful...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 729 c415GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I remind the Committee that the issue of parents who try to move into areas near schools i...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c417GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow my noble friend, as he says in this debate. My noble friend Lad...
Lord Boswell of Aynho | 729 c417GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend. Many of us have a strong interest in faith schools. I sp...
Lord Baker of Dorking | 729 c415-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support what the noble Lord, Lord Sutherland, has said, and I support Amendments 138 and...
Lord Elton | 729 c419GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am as eager as anyone else to help the Committee to move on quickly, so I shall be brief...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c418-9GC (Link to this contribution) It may be that the noble Baroness has not heard me clearly. I am saying that inherent in these amend...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c418GC (Link to this contribution) If you will let me finish, it is completely unfair to portray them in the way that they are being po...
Lord Lucas | 729 c411GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would be delighted to share tea with the noble Lord, Lord McAvoy, if I get the chance, b...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c414GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt my noble friend in full flow but I must say that what I said about the issue...
Lord Lucas | 729 c411GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that phrase comes from the admissions criteria for Ampleforth, which is a well known Catho...
Lord McAvoy | 729 c411GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord’s amendment states: "““(2) Notwithstanding subsection (1), an Academy with a religiou...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 729 c412GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend Lady Massey on Amendments 103, 140 and 141. I do not accept Amen...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 729 c411-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is also to Amendment 138. For me, these two paragraphs together describe the ideal...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 729 c412GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I will continue, if I may. In view of what I said, the noble Baroness will accept th...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 729 c412GC (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Baroness not recognise that the amendment specifically states that 50 per cent of the...
Lord Touhig | 729 c413-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I looked at Amendments 138 and 140 and was troubled and confused. After listening to my no...
Bishop of Lichfield | 729 c412-3GC (Link to this contribution) The right reverend Prelate who laid this challenge was sitting next to me until a little while ago, ...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c422GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be very brief, and I am grateful to the Minister, who has written to me on this ma...
Lord Lucas | 729 c422GC (Link to this contribution) 104: After Clause 35, insert the following new Clause— ““Music licensing After subsection (1)(g) of ...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c421-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as ever, this has been a fascinating and wide-ranging debate. We are evolving in this, but...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c422GC (Link to this contribution) 103ZB: Clause 35, page 34, line 4, at end insert— ““(1B) Subsection (1A) shall also apply where a lo...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 729 c423GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is added to the amendment. I just say to my noble friend that, although I urge him...
Lord Lucas | 729 c422GC (Link to this contribution) The amendment is self-explanatory. As I have had a very clear and supportive e-mail from the Governm...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 729 c422-3GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment and have read the helpful letter from the noble Lord, Lord Hill. I restate h...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c421GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I take the underlying point. In my comments, I made reference to the importance of inspect...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c420GC (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely with the position the Minister has outlined. I just want to invite him to explore o...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c419-20GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is our second debate this afternoon on faith. Like the last one, it has been thoughtf...
Lord Lexden | 729 c425-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I vigorously support Amendment 107, on which my name appears. It would be even better if s...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c426-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with the intention behind these amendments, but I have a f...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c427GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I can just warn against being too prescriptive. It is important that schools do th...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 729 c427GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I know that we are short of time, but I would like to interject that when we talk about gi...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c427GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I recall articles published in Scientific American and New Scientist not so long ago which...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 729 c427GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I endorse the words of the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, about the need for innovation in t...
Lord Lucas | 729 c423GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very content with that reply and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 10...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c423GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I know that many in this House share my noble friend's view that public performance of mus...
Lord Blackwell | 729 c424-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 107 and 119. Given the hour, I will try to be brief. Thes...
Lord Blackwell | 729 c423-4GC (Link to this contribution) 106: After Clause 35, insert the following new Clause— ““Duty to provide for the needs of high-abili...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c430GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Wednesday at 11.45 am.
Lord Blackwell | 729 c430GC (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for her response and thank the other noble Lords who have taken part in this...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c430GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord responds, I think that I am right in thinking that a Select Committee of this ...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c429-30GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, education is about helping every child to make progress and reach their full potential, an...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 729 c428-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this debate has been a model of brevity. We have got in an enormous number of points in a ...
Lord Lucas | 729 c428GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, about 5,000 English sixth-form school pupils a year take Open University modules, which is...
Subjects
Assessments Admissions Disadvantaged Collective worship Licensing Faith schools Finland Local government Music Standards Special educational needs Religion School meals Academies Free schools Maintained schools
Legislation
Education Bill 2010-12
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