Debate on Tuesday, 8 November 2011, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Brabazon of Tara.

Procedure of the House (Proposal 9)

Lords debate on motion to resolve that the House adopt the following practice in respect of appellations: Members should address the House as a whole, and they should never use the second person when addressing other Members in debate. A Member may refer to any other Member, without specifying his or her title, as "the noble Lord", "the noble Lady", "the noble Duke", "the right reverend Bishop" or "the most reverend Archbishop". Members may also, if they so wish, use the appropriate rank-for example "the noble Earl" or "the noble Baroness"-but there is no obligation to do so. When referring to another Member by name, the correct form is "Lord W", "Lady X", "the Duke of Y", "the Bishop/Archbishop of Z". Members may also use the term "my noble friend" to refer to fellow members of a political party. When referring to a Minister of the Crown, Members may refer to "the Leader of the House", "the Minister" or "the Secretary of State", as appropriate. Negatived on division (173 to 173), in accordance with Standing Order 56.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 732 c160-7
Session: 2010-12
Department: Chairman of Committees (HL)
Procedure: Equality of votes
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions: Lord Grocott | 732 c163 (Link to this contribution) It is ““noble Lady””. Well, whatever. It is a matter of supreme irrelevance as long as we can be rea...; Lord Newton of Braintree | 732 c163 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it may surprise people who have heard me speak on one or two other things to know that I a...; Lord Higgins | 732 c164 (Link to this contribution) —quite simply because Ministers are not noble?; Lord Gilbert | 732 c164 (Link to this contribution) In view of the admiration that my noble friend Lord Grocott has expressed for the late Lord McIntosh...; Countess of Mar | 732 c164 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps if we accept this proposal it will ease the problem of the government Front Bench,...; Lord Tordoff | 732 c163 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I like to keep the traditions of the House going, but I must say that ““the noble and lear...; Lord Wright of Richmond | 732 c163 (Link to this contribution) I do not know how many people heard, or whether it will be recorded in Hansard tomorrow, what the no...; Lord Higgins | 732 c164 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was so anxious just now to give way to the noble Lord, Lord Grenfell, that I cut myself ...; Lord Colwyn | 732 c167 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there being an equality of votes, in accordance with Standing Order No. 56, which, "““prov...; Lord Brabazon of Tara | 732 c164 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the House thinks that we might now come to a conclusion on proposal 9. Before beggi...; Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 732 c160 (Link to this contribution) If he does not mind, I will support what the noble Lord, Lord Geddes, has just said. The way we use ...; Lord Geddes | 732 c160 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I did intervene on a previous occasion on this subject, and, as with the previous proposal...; Lord Brabazon of Tara | 732 c160 (Link to this contribution) To resolve that the House adopt the following practice in respect of appellations: Members should a...; Lord Higgins | 732 c161 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, should there not be an absolute prohibition on the use of the expression, ““The noble Mini...; Lord Lucas | 732 c161 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I entirely agree. I very much hope that this is something that we will allow to evolve nat...; Lady Saltoun of Abernethy | 732 c161 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, those of us who have been here quite a long time have all had to take the trouble to learn...; Lord Grenfell | 732 c161 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am particularly happy at this moment to be able to agree with the noble Lord, Lord Pears...; Earl of Erroll | 732 c161 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, although I agree in principle with the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, I will feel sad that the lo...; Baroness Noakes | 732 c161 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I completely agree with the noble Lady, Lady Saltoun. However, we have gone past the era w...; Lord Cormack | 732 c162 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble and irreverent Lord, but we have not in fact agreed to any such thing. Al...; Lord Grocott | 732 c162 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, a very small step is being proposed. Therefore, I am sure that it will be rejected. I str...; Lady Saltoun of Abernethy | 732 c163 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the noble Lord will give way. There is nothing to stop him from referring to ““the right rev...; Lord Grocott | 732 c162 (Link to this contribution) Well, I am relaxed about what people do individually. All I am saying is that I really think that it...; Lord Grocott | 732 c163 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, if I am allowed to call her that—
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Procedure of the House (Proposal 9)

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