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Adjournment debate on Thursday, 12 January 2012, in the House of Commons, led by Keith Vaz. The answering member was Lord Herbert of South Downs.

Policing

Westminster Hall debate on a motion for the adjournment on policing.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
538 c151-92WH 
Session
2010-12
Department
Home Office
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
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Proceeding contributions
Keith Vaz | 538 c177WH (Link to this contribution) Is it wise for the head of the NPIA, which deals with organised crime, to tell all those organised c...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 538 c177-80WH (Link to this contribution) I think that the information he gives—““I am developing a computer system to close you down, and to ...
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Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c180-2WH (Link to this contribution) I welcome the report of the Home Affairs Committee on the ““New Landscape of Policing””, to which th...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 538 c175WH (Link to this contribution) The A19 procedure can be a useful resource; I am not against the general principle. The point that I...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 538 c175-6WH (Link to this contribution) I bow to the hon. Gentleman's American knowledge. It may be that it is Thursday by the time I wake u...
Keith Vaz | 538 c176WH (Link to this contribution) The points that my right hon. Friend raises are similar to those raised by the Select Committee, and...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 538 c176-7WH (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for his intervention. I wish the Minister well on these issues...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 538 c177WH (Link to this contribution) I say ““good””, too. I would appreciate an update.
Alun Michael | 538 c185WH (Link to this contribution) Unless I missed it, I do not think that the Minister referred to the Police Superintendents Associat...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c185WH (Link to this contribution) I agree with the right hon. Gentleman about the value of the advice of the Police Superintendents As...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 538 c184WH (Link to this contribution) I want to be helpful. Will the Minister address the question I asked: how many police authorities ha...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c184WH (Link to this contribution) We made the announcements about the destination of the functions and the establishment of a police-l...
Alun Michael | 538 c182-3WH (Link to this contribution) The Minister is reflecting the tension that exists between ensuring that strategic national and regi...
Mark Reckless | 538 c185WH (Link to this contribution) I think the phrase was ““both the heart and the head””.
Lord Hanson of Flint | 538 c184WH (Link to this contribution) I do not want to be critical, just clear. If the forces do not buy into it—I accept that that is my ...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c184-5WH (Link to this contribution) As I have said before, I might not have been in the House of Commons for as long as the right hon. G...
Mark Reckless | 538 c185-6WH (Link to this contribution) The Minister has said that he has secured representation from the police and crime commissioners, bu...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c187WH (Link to this contribution) In law, on Monday. It is up to the Mayor whether he wishes to delegate that function. That power of ...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c186WH (Link to this contribution) I am surprised that the right hon. Gentleman is shaking his head. It makes sense to have those two i...
Alun Michael | 538 c186-7WH (Link to this contribution) As I have said, it makes sense for representatives of the police authorities to be involved in the d...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c187WH (Link to this contribution) Yes, it is. I am completely bemused by the right hon. Gentleman's intervention. The Mayor has respon...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c186WH (Link to this contribution) I noticed my hon. Friend's puzzlement, so I should have offered clarification. What I meant is that ...
Alun Michael | 538 c186WH (Link to this contribution) With the greatest respect to the Minister—I do not want to introduce a note of disharmony—to describ...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c186WH (Link to this contribution) I disagree with the right hon. Gentleman. I know that he is keen to become a police and crime commis...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c187-8WH (Link to this contribution) I do not consider that to be an alternative. I pay attention to all views expressed on the issues, b...
Mark Reckless | 538 c187WH (Link to this contribution) When I was a member of the Kent police authority, I was appointed by Medway council, which is an ele...
Tom Brake | 538 c190WH (Link to this contribution) Has the Minister gone further than interest on this matter? In the new landscape, where does he thin...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c190-2WH (Link to this contribution) That is a very good question to which I do not have an immediate or off-the-cuff answer. I am loth t...
Julian Huppert | 538 c190WH (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that I have ever had a Minister make a request for such a meeting before—not that way ...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c190WH (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my hon. Friend. That is a deal. I would be delighted to come up to the town of...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 538 c188-9WH (Link to this contribution) I have tried, but I accept the Minister's response. Will he indicate by what date he expects to be a...
Keith Vaz | 538 c188WH (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to take the Minister back to an earlier point in his interesting speech, but a number of ...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c188WH (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I will not be able to give the right hon. Gentleman a definitive date. I can give hi...
Keith Vaz | 538 c192WH (Link to this contribution) With the leave of the House, I would like to respond very briefly to the debate. The Minister is abs...
Keith Vaz | 538 c151-2WH (Link to this contribution) The House will know, Mr Brady, that over the past 10 years, you and I have had the honour of co-chai...
Julian Huppert | 538 c152WH (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Gentleman, who chairs the Committee, for giving way. Does he agree that, whil...
David Winnick | 538 c154WH (Link to this contribution) I can assure my right hon. Friend that I have not seen a copy of his speech.
Keith Vaz | 538 c154WH (Link to this contribution) I have a feeling that my hon. Friend has seen a copy of my speech—although I am not suggesting that ...
David Winnick | 538 c154WH (Link to this contribution) I know that my right hon. Friend is going through a lengthy period of not being controversial—somewh...
Keith Vaz | 538 c152-4WH (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for, and agree with, his intervention. It is important that we put on rec...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 538 c155WH (Link to this contribution) I am disagreeing with my right hon. Friend on the point about the debate being in the Chamber; I thi...
Keith Vaz | 538 c154-5WH (Link to this contribution) I do not have a list for shadow Ministers yet. However, uncharacteristically, on the issue of protoc...
Keith Vaz | 538 c154WH (Link to this contribution) One thing is certain: my hon. Friend did not write it for me. We will be coming on to police morale ...
Mark Reckless | 538 c155WH (Link to this contribution) Before the Chair of the Select Committee moves on from the protocol, I would like to put on the reco...
Keith Vaz | 538 c155WH (Link to this contribution) There is still a debate; it is still happening, but it will be in Committee. I am most grateful.
Keith Vaz | 538 c156-7WH (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is a distinguished Member from the west midlands, and I accept what he says. That is ...
David Winnick | 538 c156WH (Link to this contribution) I am sure that my right hon. Friend recalls that when I—and indeed he—pressed the chief constable of...
Mark Reckless | 538 c158WH (Link to this contribution) With the exception of two individuals, the police and crime panels will assist elected councillors w...
Tom Brake | 538 c157-8WH (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship once again, Mr Brady. I welcome the opportunity to...
Mark Reckless | 538 c163WH (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman said earlier that Peel's principle was that the police should be the public...
Keith Vaz | 538 c159WH (Link to this contribution) I was remiss at not recognising that the right hon. Gentleman appeared as a witness in the Committee...
Tom Brake | 538 c158-9WH (Link to this contribution) Councils may make a contribution in that respect, but at some point a police and crime panel might n...
Alun Michael | 538 c160-3WH (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to have the opportunity to speak in the debate. I declare two interests: first, my son...
Tom Brake | 538 c159-60WH (Link to this contribution) I welcome this proposal and agree that the profession must be brought along and that that requires c...
Julian Huppert | 538 c171-2WH (Link to this contribution) The idea outlined by my right hon. Friend sounds excellent, and I hope that it does well. There is m...
Tom Brake | 538 c171WH (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend provides me with the opportunity to flag up an exciting proposal that has been put to...
Alun Michael | 538 c165-7WH (Link to this contribution) My concern is that the trail will have gone a little cool by the time that we arrive at that positio...
Keith Vaz | 538 c165WH (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend has been consistent. He has felt all along that there ought to be a much more i...
Alun Michael | 538 c163-5WH (Link to this contribution) One approaches this either with pessimism or optimism. I admire the hon. Gentleman's optimism, as I ...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c175WH (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way. He always reminds me of the importance of ...
Mark Reckless | 538 c174WH (Link to this contribution) Is not one of the issues with morale that there is confusion between the 12% cut to total budgets an...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 538 c172-4WH (Link to this contribution) I, too, welcome your chairmanship this afternoon, Mr Brady. Right hon. and hon. Members have already...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c183-4WH (Link to this contribution) I was going to come to that, but I am very happy to respond to the right hon. Gentleman and to repea...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c185WH (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my hon. Friend; that was indeed the expression. We have made it clear that we...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 538 c189-90WH (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that I cannot satisfy the right hon. Gentleman on either count. That is the second hypot...
Keith Vaz | 538 c155-6WH (Link to this contribution) The debate is taking place in no small measure because of all the work that the hon. Gentleman has d...
Julian Huppert | 538 c167-71WH (Link to this contribution) Thank you for calling me in the debate, Mr Brady, even if only to prove that one does not have to be...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 538 c174-5WH (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that. I know that the hon. Gentleman took an interest in policing matters as a member o...
Subjects
Costs Finance Elections ICT Police Procurement Reform Reorganisation National Policing Improvement Agency Serious Organised Crime Agency National Crime Agency
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