Debate on bill on Monday, 17 July 2023, in the House of Commons, led by Robert Jenrick. The answering member was Stephen Kinnock.

Illegal Migration Bill

Consideration of Lords message. Lords Amendments 1B, 7B and 90D, discussed with other Lords amendments, disagreed to on division (298 votes to 213). Lords amendment 9B disagreed to on division (300 votes to 212). Commons amendments 36A and 36B insisted on, and Lords amendments 36C and 36D disagreed to, agreed to on division (289 votes to 220). Lords amendment 33B disagreed to on division (300 votes to 208). Lords amendment 56B disagreed to on division (282 votes to 227). Lords amendment 102B disagreed to on division (284 votes to 226). Lords amendment 103B disagreed to on division ( 297 votes to 214). Lords amendments 107B and 107C disagreed to on division ( 292 votes to 215). Motion, that a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their amendments, agreed to. Committee reported and Reasons communicated to the Lords.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 736 cc637-709
Session: 2022-23
Department: Home Office
Legislative stage: Lords amendments
Chamber / Committee: House of Commons chamber
Related items: Illegal Migration Bill 2022-23. Commons insistence and reasons.
Monday, 17 July 2023
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Robert Jenrick | 736 c638 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That this House disagrees with Lords amendments 1B, 7B and 90D.; Lindsay Hoyle | 736 c638 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss:
Lords amendment 9B, and Government motion to di...; Robert Jenrick | 736 c638 (Link to this contribution)
Last Tuesday, this House voted 18 times —more times than on any other day on any other piece of l...; William Wragg | 736 c638 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?; Robert Jenrick | 736 cc638-9 (Link to this contribution)
I will first make a few opening remarks.
This House sent back to the House of Lords its 20 ...; William Cash | 736 c639 (Link to this contribution)
I thoroughly endorse what my right hon. Friend says. This is a matter of extreme national interes...; Robert Jenrick | 736 c639 (Link to this contribution)
I strongly endorse my hon. Friend’s comments. This is an issue of the highest importance to the p...; Edward Leigh | 736 c639 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether my right hon. Friend has noted the remarks of Lord Clarke, who is not a particul...; Robert Jenrick | 736 c639 (Link to this contribution)
I read the remarks of the noble Lord Clarke, and I entirely agree with his point, which is that, ...; Iain Duncan Smith | 736 cc639-640 (Link to this contribution)
I completely agree with my right hon. Friend. I believe that the Bill should go through, as we ha...; Robert Jenrick | 736 c640 (Link to this contribution)
First, the Lords amendment on modern slavery goes further by making the scheme, as we see it, muc...; Jim Shannon | 736 c640 (Link to this contribution)
The Democratic Unionist party is concerned about the trafficking of children and young people. My...; Robert Jenrick | 736 c640 (Link to this contribution)
We believe that they do, because at the heart of this scheme is the principle that if an individu...; Caroline Lucas | 736 c641 (Link to this contribution)
Let me take the right hon. Gentleman back to the criticism he was making of the other place, beca...; Robert Jenrick | 736 c641 (Link to this contribution)
I am not sure exactly what the hon. Lady’s question was. If it was about access to safe and legal...; Rachael Maskell | 736 c641 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister set out how my constituent will be protected? He is Albanian and has been subje...; Robert Jenrick | 736 cc641-2 (Link to this contribution)
The existing arrangement that we have secured with Albania—incidentally, Albania is a signatory t...; Tom Hunt | 736 c642 (Link to this contribution)
Many opponents of the Bill seem to support uncapped safe and legal routes. The reality of that wo...; Robert Jenrick | 736 cc642-3 (Link to this contribution)
I completely agree. Anyone who feels that this country has sufficient resource to welcome signifi...; Vicky Ford | 736 c643 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my right hon. Friend for making it clear that, if there is any doubt about the age of an ...; Robert Jenrick | 736 cc643-4 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend makes a number of important points. The guidance is very detailed, but I am ...; Iain Duncan Smith | 736 c644 (Link to this contribution)
The point that my right hon. Friend made earlier is that, somehow, those people will be able to g...; Robert Jenrick | 736 c644 (Link to this contribution)
I understand my right hon. Friend’s position, and it is right that he is vocalising it, but we do...; Iain Duncan Smith | 736 c644 (Link to this contribution)
I just want to make it clear that under the new regulations, the Secretary of State can still fea...; Robert Jenrick | 736 c644 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that that is not borne out. It is worth remembering that we will not remove anyone to a co...; Vicky Ford | 736 c644 (Link to this contribution)
I am particularly interested in the arrival of unaccompanied children in this country, because ob...; Robert Jenrick | 736 c645 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the point that my right hon. Friend makes, but I am not sure that that is necessary,...; Vicky Ford | 736 c645 (Link to this contribution)
In a children’s home, we would expect there to be the right to access a social worker and advocac...; Robert Jenrick | 736 c645 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for those points. Social workers will clearly be at the heart of all this work, as ...; Stuart C McDonald | 736 c645 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?; Robert Jenrick | 736 cc645-6 (Link to this contribution)
I will not, because I need to close my remarks; this is a short debate.
Lords amendment 9B ...; Patrick Grady | 736 c646 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?; Robert Jenrick | 736 c646 (Link to this contribution)
I will not, because I need to bring my remarks to a close now. They would not be removed until th...; Stephen Kinnock | 736 c647 (Link to this contribution)
On Tuesday, I described the way in which this Government have
“taken a sledgehammer to our ...; Laura Farris | 736 c647 (Link to this contribution)
If the principle of removal to a safe third country is not an adequate deterrent, why was that pr...; Stephen Kinnock | 736 c647 (Link to this contribution)
The crucial point is that for a deterrent to be effective, it has to be credible. A deterrent bas...; Laura Farris | 736 c647 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way again—I will not take long. Does he not accept...; Stephen Kinnock | 736 c648 (Link to this contribution)
Surely the hon. Lady sees the direct connection between us crashing out of the Dublin regulation ...; Tim Loughton | 736 c648 (Link to this contribution)
We have had this conversation before. The hon. Gentleman knows that when we were covered by Dubli...; Stephen Kinnock | 736 c648 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is right, we have had this conversation before, and he consistently refuses to...; Robert Buckland | 736 c648 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is being very generous with his time. The reason the small boats problem has g...; Stephen Kinnock | 736 c648 (Link to this contribution)
I simply say to the right hon. and learned Gentleman that last year, we had 45,000 people coming ...; Alexander Stafford | 736 c648 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Member give way?; Stephen Kinnock | 736 c649 (Link to this contribution)
I will make a little bit of progress, and then I will allow the hon. Gentleman to intervene.
<...; Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 736 c649 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I think that the hon. Gentleman did not mean to use the phrase “deeply misleading”. Knowin...; Stephen Kinnock | 736 c649 (Link to this contribution)
I thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Would “misleadingly soothing” work?; Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 736 c649 (Link to this contribution)
It will do for the time being.; Stephen Kinnock | 736 cc649-650 (Link to this contribution)
As always, Madam Deputy Speaker, you are very gracious.
The late, great Denis Healey famous...; Alexander Stafford | 736 c650 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Member give way?; Stephen Kinnock | 736 c650 (Link to this contribution)
Sorry, I meant to let the hon. Gentleman in earlier.; Alexander Stafford | 736 c650 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Member for giving way. The best thing for any person’s mental health, especially...; Stephen Kinnock | 736 c650 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right that the only people who benefit from the small boat cross...; Robert Jenrick | 736 c650 (Link to this contribution)
indicated dissent.; Stephen Kinnock | 736 cc650-1 (Link to this contribution)
No. Well, there we have it. This whole sorry episode really was a new low for this Minister and f...; Robert Jenrick | 736 c651 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member is right that I misspoke when citing those statistics on an earlier occasion, but...; Stephen Kinnock | 736 cc651-2 (Link to this contribution)
Sir Robert Chote of the UK Statistics Authority said clearly that the figure is only 20%, not 70%...; Edward Leigh | 736 c652 (Link to this contribution)
Presumably it is the hon. Gentleman’s most devout hope if he takes power in 15 months’ time, but ...; Stephen Kinnock | 736 c652 (Link to this contribution)
I will come to that in my comments, but as the right hon. Gentleman will know, any negotiation re...; Jeremy Corbyn | 736 c652 (Link to this contribution)
On his visit to Calais, the hon. Gentleman will have met people who were trying to get to this co...; Stephen Kinnock | 736 c652 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the right hon. Gentleman. As he rightly points out, the key point is that these people ar...; Alexander Stafford | 736 c653 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman clearly thinks that the Rwanda plan will not work or be a deterrent, but why n...; Stephen Kinnock | 736 c653 (Link to this contribution)
I suppose the answer to the hon. Gentleman’s question is that if it walks like a duck and quacks ...; Robert Jenrick | 736 c653 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way, because this is an important point that all M...; Stephen Kinnock | 736 c654 (Link to this contribution)
It beggars belief that the Immigration Minister says that, when he speaks for a party that has al...; Robert Jenrick | 736 c654 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman know how many asylum seekers are housed in his constituency, or would he ...; Stephen Kinnock | 736 c654 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is talking absolute nonsense. I am proud of the fact we have many Syrians in our con...; Rachael Maskell | 736 c654 (Link to this contribution)
I find it a shocking admission from the Minister—we are fighting for the relatives of people in A...; Stephen Kinnock | 736 cc654-5 (Link to this contribution)
I completely agree with my hon. Friend. There are real concerns about the safety and security of ...; 736 c655 (Link to this contribution); Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 736 c655 (Link to this contribution)
We have only one hour left for the remainder of the debate, so I have to impose an immediate time...; Tim Loughton | 736 c655 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is always an experience to follow the hon. Member for Aberavo...; Stephen Kinnock | 736 c655 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Is it in order to raise my father and what he might or...; Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 736 c656 (Link to this contribution)
It would be better not to do so. There is no hard and fast rule, since the right hon. and noble G...; Tim Loughton | 736 cc656-7 (Link to this contribution)
I will happily withdraw that, Madam Deputy Speaker, if I can have my minute back. I declare an in...; Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 736 c657 (Link to this contribution)
I call the Scottish National party spokesperson.; Stuart C McDonald | 736 cc657-9 (Link to this contribution)
We should oppose all nine Government motions, which is precisely what my SNP colleagues and I wil...; John Hayes | 736 cc658-660 (Link to this contribution)
Edmund Burke said that what matters
“is not what a lawyer tells me I may do; but what human...; Joanna Cherry | 736 c660 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?; John Hayes | 736 c660 (Link to this contribution)
I will not, because of the time—I apologise to the hon. and learned Lady.
As the Minister h...; Sam Tarry | 736 c660 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?; John Hayes | 736 c660 (Link to this contribution)
I will not give way because I wish to finish promptly, as you would expect me to do, Mr Deputy Sp...; Alistair Carmichael | 736 cc660-2 (Link to this contribution)
I regard the right hon. Member for South Holland and The Deepings (Sir John Hayes) as a friend in...; Edward Leigh | 736 cc662-3 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister can relax; I am not going to bang on about RAF Scampton—not least because I have put...; Caroline Lucas | 736 cc663-4 (Link to this contribution)
It is sadly not a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Gainsborough (Sir Edward Leigh). T...; Jeremy Corbyn | 736 cc664-6 (Link to this contribution)
I want to speak mainly about Lords amendment 1B, and to follow up on the remarks made by the hon....; Diana Johnson | 736 cc666-7 (Link to this contribution)
As we did not have the opportunity for pre-legislative scrutiny of the Bill and it is being pushe...; Patrick Grady | 736 cc667-8 (Link to this contribution)
A constituent contacted me recently and said that I seemed to be speaking an awful lot in the Cha...; Beth Winter | 736 cc668-9 (Link to this contribution)
I will begin by putting on the record my complete opposition to this horrendous Bill in its entir...; Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 736 c669 (Link to this contribution)
I have to reduce the time limit to four minutes. I call Claudia Webbe.; Claudia Webbe | 736 cc669-670 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. The provisions of the Bill are inhumane and punitive. It has not...; John McDonnell | 736 cc670-1 (Link to this contribution)
I want to apologise to you, Madam Deputy Speaker, because I do not think I indicated clearly enou...; Robert Jenrick | 736 c671 (Link to this contribution)
With the leave of the House, let me say a few words to close this short debate.
As I said a...; Stuart C McDonald | 736 c671 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?; Robert Jenrick | 736 cc671-2 (Link to this contribution)
I will not—we have heard from the hon. Gentleman a number of times.
The other place is ulti...; Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 736 c672 (Link to this contribution)
In Division No. 304, four Members nodded through the No Lobby were not included. So the result sh...
Subjects: Children Appeals Asylum Detainees Deportation Families Human rights Immigration controls Undocumented migrants Human trafficking International law France Standards Temporary accommodation Slavery Social workers Albania Afghanistan Rwanda National Crime Agency LGBT+ people UK relations with EU Immigration removal centres People smuggling
Legislation: Illegal Migration Bill 2022-23; Detention Centre Rules 2001
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