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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 10 January 2017, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon and Baroness Buscombe.

High Speed Rail (London-West Midlands) Bill

Lords committee stage first day. Clauses 1 to 35 agreed to, with clause 4 agreed to as amended.

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Parliamentary proceeding
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777 cc49-108GC 
Session
2016-17
Department
Department for Transport
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Committee stage
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New clauses
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House of Lords Grand Committee
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Lord Geddes | 777 c49GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is now 3.30 pm and, as is usual at this time, I must advise the Grand Committee that...

Baroness Randerson | 777 c49GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Randerson

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 10, after “with” insert—

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Baroness Randerson | 777 cc49-50GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to the amendments in my name in this group. I start by assuring the Minis...

Lord Bradshaw | 777 c51GC (Link to this contribution)

If I may just follow up a few of the points made by my noble friend, we have discussed before the...

Lord Berkeley | 777 cc51-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my Amendment 9 is grouped, although I am not sure it is closely connected to what the t...

Lord Snape | 777 cc52-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I support the amendments tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Randerson, and her colleagues. There ...

Lord Berkeley | 777 c53GC (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend did not mention the chord that received permission under the HS1 Bill, built betw...

Lord Snape | 777 c53GC (Link to this contribution)

I bow to my noble friend’s expertise on the geography of this stretch of railway line. I was awar...

Lord Adonis | 777 cc53-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as the Secretary of State who started HS2, and as a member of HS2...

Lord Rosser | 777 cc56-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I will just make one or two relatively brief observations. I add my thanks to those already expre...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 c58GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate. Before I go any further, on...

Lord Berkeley | 777 c58GC (Link to this contribution)

The question of hybridisation and additional provisions came up many times in the committee. The ...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 cc59-61GC (Link to this contribution)

I was alluding to the intent behind the noble Baroness’s amendment. I agree with the noble Lord i...

Lord Snape | 777 c61GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, may I press him for on connectivity between HS1 and HS2? I presume...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 cc61-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the sentiments behind what the noble Lord says, and as I have already articulated, t...

Lord Adonis | 777 cc62-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I just intervene to correct the record. I did not say there was no market—there clearly is a mark...

Baroness Randerson | 777 c63GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very interesting debate. As well as the fount of most of our informatio...

Lord Berkeley | 777 cc63-4GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Berkeley

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 11, at end insert—

“( ) Constr...

Lord Berkeley | 777 cc64-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 2 in my name and that of the noble Lord, Lord Bradshaw, I will spea...

Lord Bradshaw | 777 cc66-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I support what the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, has said. The scheme as envisaged is extravagant, a...

Lord Framlingham | 777 c67GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have dealt with only two amendments so far, and any member of the public sitting lis...

Baroness Mallalieu | 777 cc67-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support all the amendments in this group, particularly Amendments 5 and 6, tabled in ...

Lord Snape | 777 c69GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend who has just sat down started her speech by saying she was not going to...

Lord Framlingham | 777 c69GC (Link to this contribution)

I understand that this is not the place to make a Second Reading speech but we are entitled to ta...

Lord Snape | 777 c69GC (Link to this contribution)

Again, with respect to the noble Lord, I do not mind him speaking about the amendments; procedura...

Lord Snape | 777 cc69-70GC (Link to this contribution)

I will come to the tunnels in later amendments—my noble friend should not distract me just yet; I...

Lord Framlingham | 777 c70GC (Link to this contribution)

I accept what the noble Lord says about the building of a two-track railway, but surely given the...

Lord Snape | 777 cc70-1GC (Link to this contribution)

I am immensely sorry to refute the noble Lord’s assertions but we spent a long time looking into ...

Baroness Randerson | 777 c71GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to make a short point following the comments made by the noble Lord, Lord Snape....

Lord Snape | 777 c71GC (Link to this contribution)

I hope the noble Baroness will accept from me that I am not making that accusation. I am saying t...

Lord Adonis | 777 cc71-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had a wide-ranging Second Reading debate. I sympathise completely with the nobl...

Lord Snape | 777 c73GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is making a much better non-Second Reading speech than I did. Does he agree that a...

Lord Adonis | 777 cc73-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend is completely correct. Of the £10 billion spent on the last upgrade of the west c...

Lord Rosser | 777 c74GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not wish to make a Second Reading speech, but I simply say that at Second Reading we indicat...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 cc74-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I again thank all noble Lords for their contributions. On the final point made by the noble Lord,...

Lord Berkeley | 777 c78GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this short debate. At one stage, I ...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 c78GC (Link to this contribution)

If there is anything that we can assist with between different stages of the Bill I would welcome...

Lord Berkeley | 777 c78GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister. Perhaps we can follow this up afterwards. I beg leave to withdraw ...

Viscount Astor | 777 c79GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Astor

7: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

“Be...

Viscount Astor | 777 cc79-80GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my amendment—and possibly those that follow—may rehybridise the Bill. However, as this ...

Baroness Mallalieu | 777 c80GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Viscount’s amendment. It appears that this provision was not in fac...

Baroness Mallalieu | 777 cc80-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend, I am sorry. On the face of it, it will not require any delay either. The Select ...

Lord Snape | 777 c81GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not necessarily oppose the amendment, although I listened with interest to what my...

Viscount Astor | 777 c81GC (Link to this contribution)

As I understand it, a mined tunnel is where you use a digger to make a hole, as opposed to one of...

Lord Snape | 777 c81GC (Link to this contribution)

Though he is not an expert, the noble Viscount has done extremely well. I am enlightened.

5...

Lord Berkeley | 777 c81GC (Link to this contribution)

Maybe I can help. My noble friend at some stage probably came down the Channel Tunnel while we we...

Lord Snape | 777 c81GC (Link to this contribution)

I am replying to an intervention on my speech. I will of course give way to my noble friend in a ...

Lord Adonis | 777 c82GC (Link to this contribution)

I simply wished to make a point to the Minister. My understanding is that it is not correct to sa...

Lord Snape | 777 c82GC (Link to this contribution)

I am rather sorry I got involved in this whole thing now. I make one plea on behalf of the train ...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 777 cc82-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hesitate to come into this debate, but I confirmed with my colleagues that I was not ...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 c83GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords for their contributions. After the interventions by the noble Lords, Lord...

Baroness Mallalieu | 777 c83GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting, but I just want to be clear about this. I am looking at the relevan...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 777 c84GC (Link to this contribution)

I can assure your Lordships that we looked at all the alternatives at great length on many occasi...

Viscount Astor | 777 c84GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to everybody who has spoken. I particularly enjoyed the idea from the nob...

Lord Snape | 777 c84GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that is right, although I am not sure whether it would stand up mathematically in a cou...

Viscount Astor | 777 c84GC (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to get into that debate with the noble Lord, but I think I am right I saying that ...

Lord Adonis | 777 c84GC (Link to this contribution)

I was not seeking in any way to say that one set of experts should be more highly esteemed than a...

Viscount Astor | 777 c85GC (Link to this contribution)

The Select Committee came to a conclusion, which may be right or wrong. But its members are not r...

Lord Snape | 777 c85GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord said that this mined tunnel would not, in effect, make much difference as far as t...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 c85GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Snape, again for sharing facts. During the debates we have had this ...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 c85GC (Link to this contribution)

I am always grateful for the noble Lord’s interventions.

My noble friend talked about analy...

Viscount Astor | 777 c85GC (Link to this contribution)

I have listened to what my noble friend said and will consider it carefully. In the meantime, I b...

Viscount Astor | 777 cc85-6GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Astor

8: Clause 2, page 2, line 14, at end insert—

“( ) chang...

Viscount Astor | 777 cc86-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 8, 25, 26 and 27 have nothing to do with tunnels—I can assure the noble Lord...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 cc87-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for tabling his amendments. I appreciate that he is seeking fur...

Viscount Astor | 777 cc88-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend the Minister for his response, particularly to Amendment 8 whic...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 777 c89GC (Link to this contribution)

I did not want to intervene again, but I feel I must correct the impression that the noble Viscou...

Viscount Astor | 777 c89GC (Link to this contribution)

All I can say to the noble Lord is that some of those involved in parish councils felt unable to ...

Lord Framlingham | 777 c89GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to speak again, but I am beginning to wonder what we are doing. If the Select Committe...

Viscount Astor | 777 c89GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether my noble friend wants to answer that, but perhaps I may finish responding t...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 c90GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon

10: Clause 4, page 3, line 15, at end insert—

...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 c90GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group in my name are merely corrections flowing from the passing...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 777 cc90-1GC (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

11: After Clause 11, insert the following new C...

Lord Rosser | 777 c91GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend might have expected to be back by now, but my understanding is that it ...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 777 c91GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hunt of Wirral

14: After Clause 19, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 777 cc91-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my colleagues will know that I am a very strong supporter of this imaginative and impor...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 777 cc92-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is a case for ensuring adequate compensation in special circumstances, and one su...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 777 cc93-4GC (Link to this contribution)

Where, as in the case of Park Village Ltd, no land is taken, albeit that the property may be imme...

Lord Sharkey | 777 cc94-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will say a few very brief words in strong support of the amendment in the name of the...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 c95GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I continue there is one point I want to clarify from my noble friend Lord Framli...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 777 c96GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it will come as no surprise to my noble friend that his reply to my points raised more ...

Baroness O'Cathain | 777 c96GC (Link to this contribution)

One of the problems with this whole Committee today is that there are only four or five of us her...

Baroness O'Cathain | 777 c96GC (Link to this contribution)

There is the suggestion that we should have come up with a solution. But we came up with the only...

Lord Berkeley | 777 c97GC (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Lord aware of proposals for altering the routes of the tunnels under Park Village Ea...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 777 c97GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Lord for the suggestion he makes, which rather reinforces my plea...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 c97GC (Link to this contribution)

I say to my noble friend and indeed to all noble Lords that doors are always open. My noble frien...

Lord Rosser | 777 cc97-8GC (Link to this contribution)

As the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Wirral, has already said, the comments are contained in paragraph...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 c98GC (Link to this contribution)

That was also a reflection of the issues raised by the report about residential properties that a...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 777 c98GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend the Minister and to my noble friends who sat on the Select Commi...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 777 c98GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Young of Old Scone

15: After Clause 31, insert the following new Cl...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 777 cc98-100GC (Link to this contribution)

I will move Amendment 15 in the name of my noble friend Lord Stevenson who, as the Committee has ...

Baroness Pidding | 777 cc100-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the unavoidable absence of the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson of Balmacara, and with his...

Lord Berkeley | 777 cc101-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I follow my noble friend’s example. While I fully support her wish to have woodland pre...

Lord Rosser | 777 c102GC (Link to this contribution)

I want to make just one or two comments about Amendment 28, to which my noble friend Lady Young o...

Baroness Buscombe | 777 cc102-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in the debate. I begin with the amendment proposed by...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 777 c103GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I apologise to the noble Baroness, Lady Pidding, for stealing her thunder in mov...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 c103GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon

16: After Clause 34, insert the following new Clause...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 c105GC (Link to this contribution)

As noble Lords will know, traffic regulation orders, or TROs, are a mechanism for local highway a...

Lord Brabazon of Tara | 777 cc105-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend for having explained the new schedule, which extends to four-and...

Lord Berkeley | 777 c106GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I echo the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Brabazon. I have had communications from Tr...

Baroness Randerson | 777 cc106-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I share the serious concerns that have been voiced around the room this evening. The wa...

Lord Snape | 777 c107GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be extremely brief. I agree with the sentiments expressed on both sides of the C...

Lord Jones of Cheltenham | 777 c107GC (Link to this contribution)

I add my voice to those who are asking the Minister to think again. Having served on the Select C...

Lord Rosser | 777 cc107-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my support the views expressed. Frankly, it does not look as though we will go mu...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 777 c108GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have always been very respectful of views that are expressed in your Lordships’ House...

Subjects
Construction Environment Railway network High Speed 2 line
Legislation
High Speed Rail (London-West Midlands) Bill 2013-14 to 2016-17
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