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On 5 August, my right hon. Friend, the Prime Minister, announced a 12 point plan of measures designed to tackle terrorism. This statement sets out the very significant progress which has been made since that time. We will report again to Parliament on further progress before the summer recess. 1....

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Department
Home Office
Type
Written statements
Date
15 December 2005
Reference
440 c167-71WS
House
House of Commons

My right honourable friend the Secretary of State for the Home Department (Charles Clarke) has made the following Written Ministerial Statement. On 5 August, my right honourable friend the Prime Minister announced a 12 point plan of measures designed to tackle terrorism. This Statement sets out the very significant progress...

Member
Baroness Scotland of Asthal (Labour)
Department
Home Office
Type
Written statements
Date
15 December 2005
Reference
676 c145-9WS
House
House of Lords
Deposited by
Home Office
Type
Consultation papers; Deposited papers
Date
15 December 2005
Reference
DEP 05/1730
House
House of Lords; House of Commons
Deposited by
Home Office
Type
Deposited papers
Date
13 December 2005
Reference
HDEP 2005/639
House
House of Lords

I am grateful to the Minister for the reply. I was aware of the provision in the Terrorism Act to which she refers. Had I been about my work at that time, I think that I would have raised the same point. However, I accept that, although it is not entirely correct to say that procurators...

Member
Lord Cameron of Lochbroom (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 December 2005
Reference
676 c736
House
House of Lords

I am not quite sure I follow why this should be. If someone has a radioactive source sufficient to be a danger to the health and safety of people in, say, the Queen Elizabeth Hall, the Royal Courts of Justice or the House of Commons, why should that not be a grievous...

Member
Lord Elton (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 December 2005
Reference
676 c725
House
House of Lords

I am most grateful to the Minister. She indicated on Monday that she was going to bring forward amendments to this clause and to some degree foreshadowed their content, but without anything like the specificity that one would expect in the text. This issue has become germane to the debate on...

Member
Lord Kingsland (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 December 2005
Reference
676 c626
House
House of Lords

moved Amendment No. 103:"Page 17, line 32, at end insert—" ““(c)   may be instituted in Scotland only with the consent of the Lord Advocate”” The noble and learned Lord said: The amendment would add a further paragraph to subsection (1), which would provide that in Scotland proceedings for any offence under this...

Member
Lord Cameron of Lochbroom (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 December 2005
Reference
676 c734-5
House
House of Lords

: I apologise for arriving slightly late, but I am moved to defend the noble Baroness. She comes forward with amendments, saying that she has listened to the House. I am sure she has. I think that she has not gone far enough. But for her noble friend on the Back Benches to put...

Member
Earl of Onslow (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 December 2005
Reference
676 c633-4
House
House of Lords

I thank everyone who has thanked me. I will treasure this moment because I believe that it will be rare. On Question, amendment agreed to. [Amendments Nos. 80 to 83 not moved.] Clause 6, as amended, agreed to. Clause 7 agreed to. Clause 8 [Attendance at a place used for terrorist training]:

Member
Baroness Scotland of Asthal (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 December 2005
Reference
676 c718
House
House of Lords

I am seeking to demonstrate how these two issues would operate together. The noble Lord presses the point in one way, but the noble Baroness, Lady Williams, says, ““It is all part of a professional duty. You have to look at the circumstances””. These are circumstances of fact. I am saying very...

Member
Baroness Scotland of Asthal (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 December 2005
Reference
676 c649-50
House
House of Lords

My understanding was that the definition of terrorism in the 2000 Act would prevail.

Member
Lord Harris of Haringey (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 December 2005
Reference
676 c663
House
House of Lords

I am very much in favour of the provision because it appears to me that its first two subsections answer exactly my concerns about the difficulty of rebutting a charge that one had endorsed something.

Member
Lord Elton (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 December 2005
Reference
676 c707
House
House of Lords

I am grateful to the Minister for that reply; time for reflection on both parts would be helpful in these matters, as in others. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendments Nos. 76 to 78 not moved.] Clause 5 agreed to. Clause 6 [Training for terrorism]:

Member
Lord Cameron of Lochbroom (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 December 2005
Reference
676 c716
House
House of Lords

It is because of the way in which these issues have arisen. Having been intimately involved in reading the documents produced by the various committees of this House and the information we have from the reports of the noble Lord, Lord Carlile of Berriew, the noble and learned Lord is all...

Member
Baroness Scotland of Asthal (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 December 2005
Reference
676 c650
House
House of Lords

I am terribly sorry but I really do not understand the content of the noble Baroness’s answer to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd. Perhaps the following question will help. Is it the will of the Government that persons should be prosecuted who commit the offences listed in Clause 2 unintentionally?

Member
Lord Eatwell (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 December 2005
Reference
676 c650
House
House of Lords

I am not happy with this question being dealt with as part of a defence. I think that this is possibly the point which the noble Lord, Lord Eatwell, was worried about. Why is it not possible to catch those whom the Minister refers to as culpable by inserting in the substantive part...

Member
Lord Lloyd of Berwick (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 December 2005
Reference
676 c650
House
House of Lords

That is why I say that paragraph (c) helps us. Let us take a concrete example involving someone who is a librarian in the British Library. Part of his duty is to collate material of all different types and then, on proper inquiry, to give it to those who apply. That...

Member
Baroness Scotland of Asthal (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 December 2005
Reference
676 c649
House
House of Lords

I am sorry to interfere again. Under subsection (9)(b) and (c), he has to prove that the publication,"““neither expressed his views nor had his endorsement””." It could be said that someone who was acting in accordance with his profession or duties did not endorse it, but nevertheless it might represent his...

Member
Lord Goodhart (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 December 2005
Reference
676 c649
House
House of Lords

I thank all noble Lords who have spoken. I have listened carefully to the concerns that have been expressed, especially in relation to the issues arising out of the defences contained in Clause 2(9) in particular and the relationship that has to Clause 1. We covered to a large extent similar issues when debating...

Member
Baroness Scotland of Asthal (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 December 2005
Reference
676 c647-9
House
House of Lords