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Terrorism Bill

As I have tried to make plain, we believe the two parts are justified. We think it is right that the issues I have just outlined should both be caught. We do not think it is appropriate where someone knows the consequences of what they have said for them simply to say, ““I am not caught and I can continue to encourage””. It is important for both limbs to be caught. If one accepts the subjective test—which I have indicated as clearly as I can that we do—that gives a very high hurdle over which people would have to jump, in order to make sure that the person charged with this offence intended to commit this offence, or intended the consequences in the way I have just described.