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Terrorism Bill

Could I raise with my noble friend the difficulty some of us have with her argument? Much of her argument is very persuasive. The difficulty, as some of us understand it, is that the Home Secretary has said that he believes there is nowhere in the world where violence, including violence against property, can be justified as a means of bringing about political change. Is my noble friend saying that no distinction can be drawn between highly targeted violence which seeks not to hurt innocent people—in the kind of situation, for example, which I described in Chechnya—and terrorism?