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Proceeding contribution from Earl Attlee (Conservative) in the House of Lords on Monday, 6 November 2006. It occurred during Debate on bill on Armed Forces Bill.


Armed Forces Bill

My Lords, I oppose the amendment. First, new subsection (1) does not have sufficient flexibility to implement the UN protocol. For instance, as drafted, it would mean that service personnel under 18 could not deploy on overseas exercises or ships—certainly not overseas exercises outside NATO or EU states. A good example was the exercise Saif Sareea in 2001 in Oman, which partially morphed into operations. Secondly, subsection (2) is still ambiguously drafted. Is a live weapon one with live rounds in it, or one that works? Either way, I believe that it is morally and doctrinally wrong to put on guard a service person with an impotent firearm. Thirdly, if under-18s cannot undertake armed guard duty, will that not lead to some installations not being provided with an armed guard at all because it is unfair to overload over-18s with armed guard duty? The military provost guard service is not a free service; it is not even cheap. Finally, under-18s could have been in uniform for 12 months and they will not thank noble Lords on the Liberal Democrat Benches, because the advantage that they sought by starting their service careers early will be to some extent lost and they will be made into second-tier servicepersons unable to perform all military tasks. Possibly even worse, the Armed Forces Pay Review Board might have to look at their already meagre pay.


Secondary information

Type
Proceeding contribution
Reference
686 c615 
Session
2005-06
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Subjects
Accountability Discipline Crime Armed forces Age Deployment Aircraft Airports Courts martial Civilians Desertion Crown Court Jurisdiction International law Officers Military aircraft Training Young people Rendition
Legislation
Armed Forces Bill 2005-06
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