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Pensions Bill

I thank the Minister for that reply and I thank the noble Lord, Lord Oakeshott, for his support for Amendment No. 112D. I found the Minister's response to Amendment No. 112D a little perplexing—that the chairman would have no greater say than the other members, which is unlike a normal corporation. A chairman in any situation has responsibilities to bring the organisation together, to manage business, to ensure that the board is effective and so on. That is why the chairman should be the person who has a say in the appointment of members. That is normal commercial practice. I think it is the practice in the non-profit sector and it is the practice in the majority of the public sector. I am mystified by what the Minister has said. Perhaps he could explain that further.