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Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Tuesday, 20 December 2005, in the House of Lords.

Terrorism Bill

Terrorism Bill. Lords Committee stage fourth day. Clauses 30-35 agreed to. Clause 36 negatived. Clauses 37-9 agreed to. Schedules 1-3 agreed to. New clauses considered. Bill reported with amendments (HL Bill 56 2005-06)

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
676 c1631-70 
Session
2005-06
Department
Home Office
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 676 c1640 (Link to this contribution) I shall try to dispel the apparent consensus that we have heard, that we are all concerned about the...
Baroness Park of Monmouth | 676 c1640 (Link to this contribution) I strongly support what has just been said.
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Lord Kingsland | 676 c1640-1 (Link to this contribution) I have considerable sympathy with the observations made by the noble Baroness, Lady Kennedy of The S...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1641-2 (Link to this contribution) I should say to my noble friend and to the noble Baroness, Lady Williams, the noble Lord, Lord Thoma...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 676 c1642 (Link to this contribution) How many times has an authorisation been discharged within the 48-hour period?
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1642 (Link to this contribution) Even if I had the figures, I would not be in a position to tell the noble Lord.
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1642-3 (Link to this contribution) I make it clear that I am not, and will not be, in a position to give the noble Baroness any clarifi...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 676 c1643 (Link to this contribution) The organisation Liberty has presented that argument publicly. While I of course understand that the...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 676 c1643-4 (Link to this contribution) My apologies for interrupting the noble Baroness. I am grateful to her, and I apologise for missing ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1645 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Elton, for tabling these amendments, which enable me to go into a littl...
Lord Elton | 676 c1646 (Link to this contribution) ““Delight”” is in competition with Christmas, so I would not press the Minister to go too far. I am ...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 676 c1644 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry my noble friend was not present when I made the argument in the first instance, because t...
Lord Elton | 676 c1644-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 133:"Page 30, line 4, leave out ““senior””" The noble Lord said: I shall speak ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1646 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure it would name Fred Smith, but it would name someone who is of the level of Fred Smith,...
Lord Elton | 676 c1646 (Link to this contribution) I was afraid of nominating a post rather than a person, because it could depend on the character of ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1646 (Link to this contribution) It means that anyone who is identified and entrusted with this work has to be at least at that level...
Lord Elton | 676 c1646 (Link to this contribution) So it will name Fred Smith rather than saying ““the assistant secretary in the Home Office at such a...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1647-8 (Link to this contribution) I do not think the amendment is necessary. I shall explain why. In one sense, we could have had the ...
Lord Elton | 676 c1648 (Link to this contribution) I was not worried about it before because the official will know what he is doing. I am worried abou...
Lord Elton | 676 c1650 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness has given a full and satisfactory answer to Amendment No. 136, which I shall not ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1650 (Link to this contribution) I have made clear that the whole point of this provision and the way it works is to allow those who ...
Lord Elton | 676 c1650 (Link to this contribution) That is not quite what the Bill says. In subsection (11), which is where this comes from, it says,"“...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1650 (Link to this contribution) It depends on whether the person who has the warrant knows the location of the property. In the case...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1648 (Link to this contribution) The short answer is that if he does that which he is entitled to do pursuant to the warrant, he will...
Lord Elton | 676 c1648 (Link to this contribution) I am very happy with that. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. ...
Lord Elton | 676 c1648 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 134:"Page 30, line 36, after ““believed”” insert ““by the Secretary of State or ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1648-50 (Link to this contribution) It may be easier if I explain how we say these two fit together. Under the current provisions in the...
Lord Elton | 676 c1650 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that I shall be happy with the last letter I received from the noble Baroness. I beg leave...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 676 c1651-2 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord will have to put up with this noble Lord on this one. As ever, I applaud the desire o...
Lord Elton | 676 c1650-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 137:"Page 33, line 4, after first ““of”” insert ““section 1(5) of””" The noble ...
Baroness Park of Monmouth | 676 c1658-9 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. The noble Baroness, Lady Cox, has made a most convincing case. It seems to ...
Lord Elton | 676 c1659 (Link to this contribution) I ask the Minister not to follow too closely some of the tempting lures laid in front of her by my n...
Baroness Cox | 676 c1653-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 143:"After Clause 34, insert the following new clause—" ““AMENDMENT OF PREVENT...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 676 c1656-8 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support this amendment in the name of my noble friend Lady Cox, to which I have added my n...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 676 c1652 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for his continued consistency. These amendments are unnecessary. The...
Lord Elton | 676 c1652-3 (Link to this contribution) I have heard what the noble Lord intends. I am merely suggesting a form of drafting that was common ...
Lord Elton | 676 c1652 (Link to this contribution) It is nice to know that something that one has taught has stayed in someone’s head, and it is partic...
Lord Elton | 676 c1652 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 139:"Page 33, line 5, at end insert ““as amended by section 33 of this Act””" T...
Lord Elton | 676 c1640 (Link to this contribution) I add a quick proviso to what the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford has just said, which is that w...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 676 c1639-40 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Baroness, Lady Scotland, said, Section 44 can be an important weapon for combating terr...
Lord Hylton | 676 c1638-9 (Link to this contribution) British Transport Police has already been mentioned. It is clear that that police service is very mu...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 676 c1637-8 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the Minister for the misunderstanding on our Benches about who would speak when. I s...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1635-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for giving us an opportunity to debate this issue, which relates to Section ...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 676 c1631-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 132:"After Clause 29, insert the following new clause—" ““COUNTER-TERRORIST PO...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1631 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into a Committee on the Bill. Mo...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 676 c1659 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister rises, I accept the rebuke from my noble friend Lord Elton in tempting her sligh...
Lord Kingsland | 676 c1659 (Link to this contribution) Any suggestion that the noble Baroness, Lady Cox, makes about combating terrorism has to be taken se...
Lord Elton | 676 c1659 (Link to this contribution) The amendment is not directed at a particular gentleman; it is directed at a particular lack in our ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1659-62 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Cox, for raising this issue and giving me the opportunity that I wa...
Lord Elton | 676 c1662 (Link to this contribution) Is that power dependent on the wish to interrupt the flow of cash and its availability to terrorists...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1662 (Link to this contribution) Where terrorist activity has been established, whether by an individual or whether there is a risk o...
Baroness Park of Monmouth | 676 c1662 (Link to this contribution) May I revert to the point made by my noble friend Lord Elton? Whatever else we may get from this ext...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1662 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness will know well from her own experience that I could not possibly comment on this ...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 676 c1662-3 (Link to this contribution) In that case, can I refer the noble Baroness to something that she said earlier, on which I have bee...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1663 (Link to this contribution) I have made it clear—and the noble Baroness, Lady Cox, accepts—that it would be quite improper for m...
Lord Elton | 676 c1664 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness said earlier that the amendment is not directed at the funding of terrorism but a...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1664 (Link to this contribution) I assure the noble Lord that in relation to the security of government sites appropriate measures ar...
Lord Kingsland | 676 c1663 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way. It would seem that the acid test of the pos...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1664-5 (Link to this contribution) I have said about six times now that I am not discussing this case, but I shall return to the facts ...
Lord Elton | 676 c1665-6 (Link to this contribution) I think the Minister was giving way so that I could interrupt to say that I was totally satisfied. I...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1666 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, but I hope that he will appreciate that, if someone has acquired certain ass...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 676 c1667 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to trouble the Minister’s patience further, but I put two other general questions on the ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1667 (Link to this contribution) If I can put it beyond doubt, I do not believe that the noble Baroness, Lady Cox, has identified an ...
Baroness Cox | 676 c1667-9 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to the debate and have clarified and enha...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1667 (Link to this contribution) I am not aware of any relaxation or change in our procedures. On the discussion about terrorism and...
Lord Kingsland | 676 c1666-7 (Link to this contribution) I apologise again, but the Minister has sat down and it seems an appropriate moment. The Minister, ...
Lord Elton | 676 c1669 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 144:"Page 38, line 37, leave out ““of”” and insert ““for””" The noble Lord said...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 676 c1669-70 (Link to this contribution) I hate to disappoint the noble Lord but it is to me that the Committee will have to listen on this v...
Lord Elton | 676 c1670 (Link to this contribution) I am quite astonished to be told that accepting the amendment will make no difference but still the ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 676 c1670 (Link to this contribution) Before the Bill is reported to the House, I add my thanks to everyone who has worked so hard on all ...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 676 c1642 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her description of the powers and how they are exercised. When I said that ...
Lord Hylton | 676 c1663-4 (Link to this contribution) I should like to look at these matters much more generally than in terms of the two companies to whi...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 676 c1665 (Link to this contribution) I do not know whether the Minister has finished.
Lord Elton | 676 c1646-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 133ZA:"Page 30, line 12, at end insert ““and section 7(1) shall apply though aut...
Subjects
Disclosure of information Intelligence services Greater London Jurisdiction Ethnic groups Ownership Police Powers Property Minority groups Terrorism Stop and search Security Sequestration of assets Anti-terrorism control orders Countries Freezing of assets
Legislation
Terrorism Bill 2005-06
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