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Parliamentary proceeding on Monday, 8 May 2006, in the House of Commons, led by Geoffrey Hoon. The answering member was Lord Brady of Altrincham.

Future EU Finances and Own Resources

Debate on a motion to take note of European Union Documents No. 5973/06, the Commission’s revised Proposal for renewal of the Inter-institutional Agreement on budgetary discipline and improvement of the budgetary procedure, No. 6426/06, the Commission Contribution to the Inter-institutional Negotiations on the Proposal for renewal of the Inter-institutional Agreement on budgetary discipline and improvement of the budgetary procedure, and No. 7421/1/06, Draft Decision on the system of the European Communities’ own resources (//EC, Euratom). Agreed on division (245 to 194)

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Parliamentary proceeding
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446 c89-142 
Session
2005-06
Department
Foreign and Commonwealth Office
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House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
John Healey | 446 c135 (Link to this contribution) No. I am about to deal with some of the wrong figures that the hon. Gentleman used. He made a dodgy ...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 446 c135 (Link to this contribution) Will the Financial Secretary simply and straightforwardly admit that the Government have given up mo...
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John Healey | 446 c135-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady confuses questions about fraud with those about reliability. Our consideration of acco...
Theresa Villiers | 446 c135 (Link to this contribution) Will the Financial Secretary guarantee that next time the Commission’s accounts appear before ECOFIN...
John Healey | 446 c134 (Link to this contribution) This has been a wide-ranging debate—in some cases rather wider than the motion. I pay tribute to the...
John Healey | 446 c134 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman asked that question in his speech, and I will deal with it right now. Ratificatio...
John Healey | 446 c136 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way to the right hon. Gentleman. He has not been here during the debate, and I am no...
William Cash | 446 c136-7 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has just been praising the financial investigation team known as OLAF, but will he note...
Theresa Villiers | 446 c130-1 (Link to this contribution) We should all be grateful to the European Standing Committee for forcing the Government to put this ...
Angus Robertson | 446 c129-30 (Link to this contribution) I very much hope that local authorities, devolved Administrations and Governments everywhere make th...
Mark Pritchard | 446 c129 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not agree that while the Scottish Executive have played a part in the proble...
Angus Robertson | 446 c129 (Link to this contribution) That is not the only problem. Devolved Ministers have the right to attend Council of Ministers meeti...
Robert Goodwill | 446 c129 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not agree that it is bizarre that our Ministers go to Brussels and accept th...
Angus Robertson | 446 c128-9 (Link to this contribution) I am not keen to enter into the very public grief of the Government at the time of the reshuffle, bu...
Keith Vaz | 446 c133 (Link to this contribution) Let me take the hon. Lady away fromNeil Kinnock to the subject of the debate, which is the budget. I...
Theresa Villiers | 446 c133-4 (Link to this contribution) I can do so by saying that enlargement should have been funded by radical reform of the common agric...
Lord Redwood | 446 c131 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who is making a strong case. Is there not more fraud than there was...
Theresa Villiers | 446 c131-3 (Link to this contribution) I assure my right hon. Friend that I shall come to that in due course. I have great sympathy with hi...
John Healey | 446 c138 (Link to this contribution) I think that I have made my position clear to the right hon. Gentleman. As a result of these change...
Lord Redwood | 446 c138 (Link to this contribution) Will the Financial Secretary give way?
John Healey | 446 c137-8 (Link to this contribution) The questions that the hon. Gentleman raises are questions for OLAF. Surely he would not contest tha...
Speaker | 446 c119 (Link to this contribution) Order. Could we return to discussing EU finances in more detail?
William Cash | 446 c119 (Link to this contribution) First, the hon. Gentleman, who is a colleague of mine on the European Scrutiny Committee, knows perf...
Wayne David | 446 c119 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman indicate why his party is not making the explicit case that he would like?
William Cash | 446 c119 (Link to this contribution) We need to be blunt and clear with the British electorate about such matters In particular, we must ...
Peter Bone | 446 c119-20 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the£100 billion plus in today’s money that this Government have given...
Speaker | 446 c119 (Link to this contribution) Order. Before any further interventions are made, I remind hon. Members once again that, interesting...
William Cash | 446 c117-8 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Luton, North (Kelvin Hopkins). I am sorry tha...
Angus Robertson | 446 c119 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right to point out the dangers of the political far right throughout the Europ...
Peter Bone | 446 c123 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman name the countries that are guilty of that fraud and does he include the UK?...
Wayne David | 446 c122-3 (Link to this contribution) I, too, welcome my right hon. Friend the new Minister for Europe. He has a great knowledge of the Eu...
William Cash | 446 c121-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman gave evidence to the European Reform Forum that we set up, and he has the advanta...
Keith Vaz | 446 c121 (Link to this contribution) The Kok report did not say that. It said that the benchmarks set in Lisbon had not been met, and it ...
Wayne David | 446 c124 (Link to this contribution) With all respect to my hon. Friend, that is not the case. In some areas, there has been an increased...
Wayne David | 446 c123 (Link to this contribution) No, I certainly do not include the UK. The southern Mediterranean countries, by their own admission,...
Kelvin Hopkins | 446 c121 (Link to this contribution) If the Prime Minister had said ““unless and until the common agricultural policy is abolished””, tha...
William Cash | 446 c121 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. It would also have worked if he had said ““If we want to achieve economic competitiveness we...
William Cash | 446 c120-1 (Link to this contribution) I am bound to agree. It is a tragedy, because we need a balance. Co-operation is one thing, but appe...
Wayne David | 446 c125-6 (Link to this contribution) With all due respect, the hon. Gentleman is very good at soundbites, but the important thing to reco...
Philip Davies | 446 c125 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not accept that this country’s future prosperity depends on developing marke...
Wayne David | 446 c124-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman pre-empts me, as that would have been the next point in my speech. However, he sh...
Danny Alexander | 446 c124 (Link to this contribution) By and large, I agree with the sentiments that the hon. Gentleman is expressing about our duty to su...
Angus Robertson | 446 c125 (Link to this contribution) May I add to the hon. Gentleman’s background on this subject? Does he not think it odd that, in Scot...
Wayne David | 446 c124 (Link to this contribution) The facts speak for themselves. In the context of this debate, my main point is that democracy is f...
Wayne David | 446 c124 (Link to this contribution) I share that concern to some extent, but the important thing is that support from the EU through reg...
Wayne David | 446 c127 (Link to this contribution) I have given way many times already. In conclusion, I believe that this country negotiated a good d...
Wayne David | 446 c127 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not. The real agenda is how on earth we make this effective single market even more effe...
Wayne David | 446 c127 (Link to this contribution) I hear the true voice of Conservatism being expressed with the utmost clarity: let us get out of the...
Wayne David | 446 c126 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that that intervention is worth answering and I can see Members all around me nodding...
Bob Spink | 446 c126-7 (Link to this contribution) May I provide an intervention to which the hon. Gentleman might be able to respond? Does he accept t...
Wayne David | 446 c126 (Link to this contribution) Unemployment is going down; gross domestic product is going up, but the important thing to recognise...
Peter Bone | 446 c126 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman reconsider his answer to my earlier intervention? He said that the UK Govern...
Mark Pritchard | 446 c126 (Link to this contribution) I am slightly perplexed by the hon. Gentleman’s comment on objective 1 being given to his constituen...
Speaker | 446 c106 (Link to this contribution) I note what the hon. Gentleman says, but he will know that that is not a point of order for the Chai...
Keith Vaz | 446 c106 (Link to this contribution) I accept your ruling, Madam Deputy Speaker. However, I ask the hon. Member for Buckingham (John Berc...
Keith Vaz | 446 c105 (Link to this contribution) That may be so. My hon. Friend has a very principled position on these issues. He wants to withdraw ...
Ian Davidson | 446 c105 (Link to this contribution) Like my hon. Friend the Member for Luton, North (Kelvin Hopkins), I do not believe that Britain shou...
Keith Vaz | 446 c105 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to see that my hon. Friend does not believe that we should withdraw. If he believes that w...
Keith Vaz | 446 c105-6 (Link to this contribution) I know that my hon. Friend is speaking in the blunt Glasgow tones that he has always used, but we ha...
John Bercow | 446 c106 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I seek your guidance. It is obviously important that accu...
Keith Vaz | 446 c106 (Link to this contribution) So what? Those people have contributed enormously to our economy. According to the Ernst and Young r...
Kelvin Hopkins | 446 c105 (Link to this contribution) When a nation disapproves of an institution, could it be that there is something wrong with the inst...
Daniel Kawczynski | 446 c104 (Link to this contribution) I must pick up the hon. Gentleman on the pointmade by my hon. Friend the Member for Buckingham (John...
Keith Vaz | 446 c104-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman asks me the question as though I speak for the European Union—of course I do not....
Keith Vaz | 446 c103 (Link to this contribution) An amazing choice is before me; I must first go for the birthday boy.
Keith Vaz | 446 c103 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s intervention, because I have enormous respect for the wa...
John Bercow | 446 c102-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is both a Europhile and a humanitarian. Will he tell the House whether, in all ca...
Keith Vaz | 446 c104 (Link to this contribution) It sounds a daft thing to do, but we have entered into obligations and need to make sure that we ful...
Philip Davies | 446 c104 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not think the pattern of events extraordinary? Each year, the Court of Audit...
Keith Vaz | 446 c103 (Link to this contribution) That is totally unacceptable. It is absolutely right that the Court of Auditors should be satisfied ...
William Cash | 446 c103 (Link to this contribution) The former Minister for Europe asks about where the money goes, which provokes an immediate outburst...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 446 c102 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that I must correct the hon. Gentleman on that point. I do not regard Britain’s contribu...
Keith Vaz | 446 c102 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman says that whatever the Prime Minister does in the EU, so it is not a surprise. I...
Mark Pritchard | 446 c102 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that I missed the hon. Gentleman’s letter to The Times today—I must have read The Daily T...
Keith Vaz | 446 c102 (Link to this contribution) No, because that has always been Romano Prodi’s position. Since he was the President of the Commissi...
Philip Dunne | 446 c100 (Link to this contribution) I am intrigued to hear the words of the current Minister’s predecessor, which my hon. Friend has jus...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 446 c99-100 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend raises an important issue. It is also interesting to students of Kremlinology that th...
Keith Vaz | 446 c101-2 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Altrincham and Sale, West (Mr. Brady). I have ...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 446 c100-1 (Link to this contribution) Like my hon. Friend, I am afraid that I cannot explain it, but I shall be interested to hear whether...
John Bercow | 446 c99 (Link to this contribution) May I put it to my hon. Friend that the concerns expressed a moment ago by our hon. Friend the Membe...
William Cash | 446 c99 (Link to this contribution) Is not it the case, as significant media coverage suggested at the time, that the Chancellorwas actu...
Geoffrey Hoon | 446 c99 (Link to this contribution) I am reflecting on some of the hon. Gentleman’s rather exaggerated figures for the UK’s net contribu...
Mark Pritchard | 446 c106 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right to suggest that Britain has benefited from many people from m...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 446 c98 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to hear that south Wales will do well from the funding, but the hon. Gentleman must b...
Wayne David | 446 c111 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman. It is kind of him to give way yet again. Before he moves on from his sta...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 446 c99 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the Financial Secretary will shed light on that point when he replies to the debate, because...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 446 c99 (Link to this contribution) I am clear and consistent; I want to see the British net contribution going down, not up. This deal ...
Mark Pritchard | 446 c98 (Link to this contribution) Can my hon. Friend advise us of the likely cost of reprinting the brochure, as we now have a new Min...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 446 c99 (Link to this contribution) I shall table a written question as soon as I have an opportunity.
Wayne David | 446 c98 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman acknowledge that the new financial perspective agreement is very good news f...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 446 c97-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman always has the merit of consistency of course, and I hope that I do, too. We oppo...
Ian Davidson | 446 c97 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman pointed out that the Government failed to achieve any of their three objectives, ...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 446 c97 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely not. I am delighted to welcome another former Minister for Europe to the debate, but the ...
William Cash | 446 c115 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Leicester, East (Keith Vaz) mentioned my birthday earlier. I was born on the day...
Kelvin Hopkins | 446 c115 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. I would have thought that other member states felt that. In fact, they are becoming more awa...
Daniel Kawczynski | 446 c115 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman talks about the state aid that we have given through the budget to poorer eastern...
Kelvin Hopkins | 446 c116 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that that is true, but the hon. Gentleman has the advantage of me in that area, in which I...
John Bercow | 446 c116 (Link to this contribution) Statistically, the hon. Gentleman is absolutely right to say that the preponderance of our exports g...
Kelvin Hopkins | 446 c116-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his helpful intervention. Governments of both colours talk about expo...
Angus Robertson | 446 c114 (Link to this contribution) Given that the hon. Gentleman is considering agriculture, will hetake the opportunity briefly to men...
Kelvin Hopkins | 446 c114 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman was just ahead of me. I was coming to that point but perhaps he makes it more elo...
Kelvin Hopkins | 446 c114 (Link to this contribution) As always, I agree with my hon. Friend. I want the EU as it should be—a voluntary association of ind...
Kelvin Hopkins | 446 c114 (Link to this contribution) That sounds like a sensible suggestion. I may say that my constituency is the only one in the easter...
Kelvin Hopkins | 446 c113 (Link to this contribution) I welcome an opportunity yet again to debate European Union finances. Before doing so, I want to com...
Daniel Kawczynski | 446 c113 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that to take forward the negotiations over CAP, it is vital that every...
Kelvin Hopkins | 446 c114 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right—that is the only conclusion that one can draw. It is utterly cynical to ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 446 c114 (Link to this contribution) I am surprised that there is another. Nevertheless, I take an interest in agricultural policy becaus...
John Bercow | 446 c114 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the hon. Gentleman’s lamentation on the iniquities of the CAP. Will he take this opportuni...
John Bercow | 446 c112 (Link to this contribution) How is the globalisation fund consistent with the general prohibition on the use of state aid? I kno...
Vincent Cable | 446 c112 (Link to this contribution) If the fund were part of state aid, I would agree with the hon. Gentleman. However, I understand tha...
Vincent Cable | 446 c111-2 (Link to this contribution) I do not know what the hon. Gentleman means by ““more and more money””. Spending has slightly exceed...
Vincent Cable | 446 c110-1 (Link to this contribution) I do not recall that protocol, and the hon. Gentleman has an advantage over me on the detail. The ce...
Vincent Cable | 446 c111 (Link to this contribution) I did not say that that was a desirable outcome. We are dealing with second best. If a postponement ...
Philip Davies | 446 c111 (Link to this contribution) Given his consistent pro-European stance, does the hon. Gentleman think that it makes sense to give ...
Vincent Cable | 446 c110 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman misrepresents the position that we took over the treaty. We accepted that there w...
Ian Davidson | 446 c110 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept my view that the hon. Member for Stone (Mr. Cash) and some of his col...
Vincent Cable | 446 c110 (Link to this contribution) We certainly intend to vote against the motion this evening; I have no problem with that. There is n...
John Bercow | 446 c110 (Link to this contribution) The concept of subsidiarity offers us no succour in relation to EU finance or own resources. Does th...
Vincent Cable | 446 c109-10 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman did not read the manifesto carefully enough. We support British membership of the...
William Cash | 446 c110 (Link to this contribution) I, too, am puzzled by what the hon. Gentleman is saying. It was only a short time agothat his party ...
Mark Pritchard | 446 c109 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman. He suggests that the Government are inconsistent, but is his own pa...
Keith Vaz | 446 c109 (Link to this contribution) I understand the point that the hon. Gentleman is making, but would he prefer not to have had a deal...
Vincent Cable | 446 c109 (Link to this contribution) Yes, it would be absolutely credible. It would be embarrassing for the UK to complete the presidency...
Daniel Kawczynski | 446 c109 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman stated that the Government failed to make the European Union see their perspectiv...
Vincent Cable | 446 c109 (Link to this contribution) Some of them did. There was a mixed pattern of opinion in the EU, but eastern European countries wan...
Keith Vaz | 446 c106-7 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way because I have been generous in giving way to hon. Members on both sides of the ...
Vincent Cable | 446 c107-9 (Link to this contribution) It is slightly scary to discover that the hon. Member for Leicester, East (Keith Vaz) is monitoring ...
Keith Vaz | 446 c106 (Link to this contribution) I will certainly try to do so, Madam Deputy Speaker.
Speaker | 446 c106 (Link to this contribution) Order. Before we get any further confusion about who is, or is not, on page 30, can we please contin...
Keith Vaz | 446 c90 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful. I too warmly welcome my right hon. Friend back to the Foreign Office as Minister...
Geoffrey Hoon | 446 c90 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for my hon. Friend’s kind words and even more grateful for his observations, with whic...
Richard Shepherd | 446 c91 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister confirm that the deal requires primary legislation in the House, and can he give u...
Ian Davidson | 446 c91 (Link to this contribution) Along with many others, I congratulate the Minister on his new position. May I point out to him, how...
Geoffrey Hoon | 446 c91 (Link to this contribution) When I was at the Ministry of Defence, there were a number of rather large oil paintings depicting B...
Geoffrey Hoon | 446 c91 (Link to this contribution) I always enjoy the congratulations of my hon. Friend, although I have also sometimes lived to regret...
Mark Pritchard | 446 c91 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the Minister to his new role, but I shall miss him on Thursday mornings. Have not the Gov...
Geoffrey Hoon | 446 c91 (Link to this contribution) Were I still Leader of the House, I might be in a better position to answer that question.
Charles Walker | 446 c91 (Link to this contribution) If this was such a fair deal for Europe, why was France so happy with the outcome?
Geoffrey Hoon | 446 c91 (Link to this contribution) That is not the case. I shall deal with those points in due course, but the deal is hugely successfu...
John Bercow | 446 c92 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the right hon. Gentleman to his new responsibilities, and I hope that we find the exchange...
Geoffrey Hoon | 446 c92-4 (Link to this contribution) I recognise the historical difficulties associated with being positive about that aspect of EU finan...
David Leslie Taylor | 446 c92 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend accept the figuresfor the five complete years between 2000 and 2004, which...
Geoffrey Hoon | 446 c92 (Link to this contribution) A significant element of agricultural spending is still involved, which is why it was important to a...
Keith Vaz | 446 c97 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman said that the Opposition supported enlargement, although they called for a refere...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 446 c96-7 (Link to this contribution) First, I congratulate the European Scrutiny Committee on the excellent work that it does, frequently...
Geoffrey Hoon | 446 c94-5 (Link to this contribution) I was wondering whether I would get through my first debate without uttering the words ““European co...
Mark Pritchard | 446 c94 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman will of course be aware that the European constitutional treaty deals with ...
Geoffrey Hoon | 446 c94 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman, as ever, raises an important—and disturbing—issue that clearly needs to be inves...
John Bercow | 446 c94 (Link to this contribution) Bearing in mind the right hon. Gentleman’s considerable authority on matters European, and leaving a...
Geoffrey Hoon | 446 c90 (Link to this contribution) I seem to have excited a lot of people, but I give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Leicester, E...
Geoffrey Hoon | 446 c90 (Link to this contribution) That is precisely what the deal changes. I should have thought that, having examined the detail, my ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 446 c90 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend not agree that redistribution currently benefits richer countries as a res...
Geoffrey Hoon | 446 c90 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that my hon. Friend is so critical. I know how keen he is on the redistribution of wealth...
Kelvin Hopkins | 446 c90 (Link to this contribution) I welcome my right hon. Friend to his new post. He portrays the deal as a success, but was it not a ...
Geoffrey Hoon | 446 c89-90 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to have the opportunity of renewing the acquaintance that the hon. Gentleman and I es...
William Cash | 446 c89 (Link to this contribution) I remember confronting the Minister across the Floor of the House many years ago in different circum...
Geoffrey Hoon | 446 c89 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That this House takes note of European Union Documents No. 5973/06, the Commission’s ...
William Cash | 446 c119 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to you, Madam Deputy Speaker, but I see a strong connection between the operation of E...
Ian Davidson | 446 c114 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree thatthe road towards repatriating fishing and, indeed, agriculture, is tak...
Ian Davidson | 446 c123 (Link to this contribution) Notwithstanding the views of the new accession states about centralisation, does my hon. Friend acce...
Wayne David | 446 c125 (Link to this contribution) I am certain that the hon. Gentleman has made a very good point indeed, and I certainly bow to his k...
Mark Pritchard | 446 c124 (Link to this contribution) On material support, and regional grants in particular, does the hon. Gentleman share my concern tha...
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