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Debate on bill on Wednesday, 28 June 2006, in the House of Lords.

Government of Wales Bill

Government of Wales Bill. Lords Report stage debate second day. Part 1 of 2 records.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
683 c1220-52 
Session
2005-06
Department
Wales Office
Legislative stage
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Davies of Oldham | 683 c1235 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord’s self-denying ordinance is a lesson to us all. Obviously the noble Lord, ...
Lord Kingsland | 683 c1235 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the point that I would have wished to have made has been perfectly articulated by my noble...
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Earl of Mar and Kellie | 683 c1234-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is no doubt that the Sewel convention is working well—indeed, it may be working bett...
Lord Norton of Louth | 683 c1234 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord because that makes my point. I was going to suggest that i...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 683 c1234 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was not suggesting that it should be on the face of the Bill; I was only using the amend...
Lord Rowlands | 683 c1227 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in most cases, the old traditional statutory instruments of the kind he has described have...
Lord Kingsland | 683 c1227-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with great respect to the noble Lord, that makes my case a fortiori. Under our constitutio...
Lord Anderson of Swansea | 683 c1231 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what would be the remedy if there were to be a major procedural irregularity?
Lord Crickhowell | 683 c1224-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had not intended to intervene in the debate on this amendment, particularly after this f...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 683 c1225-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, said that these were labyrinthine and serpentine proposals...
Lord Rowlands | 683 c1225 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, for mentioning my membership of the Richard commissio...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 683 c1231-2 (Link to this contribution) That is a different matter altogether, my Lords. A major error would mean that the Assembly, in its ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 683 c1231 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are talking not about major procedural irregularities, but about administrative mistake...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 683 c1234 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that it is my fault, but I think that the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell, might ha...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 683 c1235 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, amity has broken out on all sides. My only regret is that the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, ...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 683 c1235 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall certainly do that. I am grateful to everyone who has spoken in support of the meas...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 683 c1236 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I remind your Lordships that, if Amendment No. 38 were passed, I could not call Amendment ...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 683 c1235 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should have made this point earlier. The practical effect of the measure is not so much ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 683 c1235 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I accept that point entirely. I think that the whole House is of one mind about the desira...
Lord Crickhowell | 683 c1238-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have listened with particular interest to what has just been said by the noble Lord, Lor...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 683 c1238 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we very much welcome that. I am sure that it was said before, but I must have missed that ...
Lord Crickhowell | 683 c1240 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment relates immediately to the relationship: the noble Lord, Lord Elystan-Morgan...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 683 c1239-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very sorry to interrupt the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell, but we are on Report and we...
Lord Kingsland | 683 c1236-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 38:"Leave out Clause 92." The noble Lord said: My Lords, Amendment No. 38 and a...
Lord Kingsland | 683 c1238 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is not new; I said it in Committee, too. It is a much better structured form of devolut...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 683 c1238 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that it will not surprise the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, to hear that we on the...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 683 c1240-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am greatly flattered by the detailed curriculum vitae relating to me that the noble Lord...
Lord Crickhowell | 683 c1242 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord said earlier in our proceedings that, on Part 4, there should be a referend...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 683 c1242 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the two parts are entirely different: one is a bridge leading to the other. Whereas Part 4...
Lord Kingsland | 683 c1244 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in the Government’s manifesto before the last election there was not an iota of warning th...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 683 c1243-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had a most interesting debate. Not for the first time on this Bill, scarcely an ar...
Lord Anderson of Swansea | 683 c1242-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I recall an exchange at a Labour Party conference in the early 1970s. Michael Foot, with h...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 683 c1242 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be extremely brief, and I mean it. I come from a scientific background. Moses has ...
Lord Roberts of Conwy | 683 c1246-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 39:"After Clause 92, insert the following new clause—" ““REFERENDUM ABOUT COMM...
Lord Kingsland | 683 c1244-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall resist the temptation to respond to the noble Lord, Lord Elystan-Morgan, and concl...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 683 c1244 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am extremely sorry to have to interrupt the noble Lord again. We are at Report. Members ...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 683 c1244 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I fail to see how there can be real validity to that argument. The devolution that occurre...
Lord Rowlands | 683 c1248 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will the noble Lord confirm that if a referendum was called on Part 3 and the Opposition h...
Lord Roberts of Conwy | 683 c1248 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I did not say that at all. As my noble friend Lord Crickhowell and others on our side have...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 683 c1249 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords who have taken part in this debate, especially the previous t...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 683 c1249 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I add to what the noble Lord, Lord Anderson, has just said. The amendment calls for a refe...
Lord Rowlands | 683 c1250 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise because I am slightly confused by the response to my question. This is a refer...
Lord Roberts of Conwy | 683 c1249-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords who participated in the debate and who sought to deal with th...
Lord Kingsland | 683 c1250-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 39A:"Page 51, line 28, leave out subsection (7)." The noble Lord said: My Lords...
Lord Roberts of Conwy | 683 c1250 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would campaign for it, depending on how we had framed the question. But I and my party h...
Lord Kingsland | 683 c1252 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the Minister expressed his final view on the role that words would play in Clause 93(7)...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 683 c1251-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the House will have been informed, my noble friend Lord Evans wrote a very detailed let...
Lord Anderson of Swansea | 683 c1248-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am wary of referendums and of the changed attitude towards them on the part of the Conse...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 683 c1252 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned. In moving this Motion...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 683 c1252 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wonder whether, with the leave of the House, I could explain that all speakers in the Un...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 683 c1220 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the Bill be now further considered on Report. Moved accordingly, and, ...
Lord Anderson of Swansea | 683 c1223 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is not for me to interpret the words of the Secretary of State in terms of petty mischi...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 683 c1222-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I regret that we are unable to support these amendments. The noble Lord referred to my con...
Lord Kingsland | 683 c1227 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be as telegraphic as I can in responding to the various points raised during the d...
Lord Kingsland | 683 c1230-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 36B:"Page 50, line 39, leave out subsection (3)." The noble Lord said: My Lords...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 683 c1231 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am obliged to repeat the arguments that I made in Committee. The Government do not belie...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 683 c1223-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to concentrate on what I regard as the basic postulate of the case put forward with...
Lord Anderson of Swansea | 683 c1231 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what if it were a major error?
Lord Davies of Oldham | 683 c1232 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for pointing out that additional ramification. The whole p...
Lord Norton of Louth | 683 c1234 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with the intent behind the amendment. The noble Lord, Lord Elystan-Morgan, is quit...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 683 c1232-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 37:"Page 51, line 2, at end insert ““, but such power shall not be exercised wit...
Lord Kingsland | 683 c1232 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister will be extremely concerned to hear that I am satisfied with his reply. His r...
Lord Crickhowell | 683 c1233-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. I have been listening to what he has to sa...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 683 c1232 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the Minister accept that a devolution issue would be dealt with under Schedule 9? If ...
Lord Kingsland | 683 c1220-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 36A:"Page 50, line 37, at end insert ““, adopted by resolution of each House of ...
Subjects
Devolved matters Devolution Legislative competence Functions Legislation Powers National Assembly for Wales Referendums Wales Welsh Government
Legislation
Government of Wales Bill 2005-06
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