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UK Borders Bill

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Parliamentary proceeding

Reference

460 c191-266 

Session

2006-07

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Third reading

Report stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

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UK Borders Bill. As amended in Public Bill Committee.
Tuesday, 20 March 2007
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Proceeding contributions

David Kidney | 460 c196 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Joan Ryan | 460 c195-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Ashford is right that the European convention on human rights was discussed in r...

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Paul Rowen | 460 c195 (Link to this contribution) Like the hon. Member for Ashford (Damian Green), I welcome the revised amendments submitted by the M...

Damian Green | 460 c194-5 (Link to this contribution) I should like to thank the Minister for the kind remarks that she made at the beginning of her speec...

Joan Ryan | 460 c194 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman says, the PACE codes apply to England and Wales. He might know that we are see...

Stewart Hosie | 460 c193-4 (Link to this contribution) New clause 9, when applied to Scotland, will require a sheriff or a justice of the peace to be invol...

Joan Ryan | 460 c193 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will be aware, from our debates in Committee, of the role of the inspectorate. He...

Paul Rowen | 460 c193 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for the safeguards that she has just outlined. What monitoring and rep...

Joan Ryan | 460 c192-3 (Link to this contribution) That is an important point, and we have taken some considerable time and effort to think through the...

Paul Rowen | 460 c192 (Link to this contribution) What steps are being taken to ensure that this new power will not be misused, particularly in cases ...

Joan Ryan | 460 c191 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Joan Ryan | 460 c191-2 (Link to this contribution) I should like to preface my remarks on new clauses 9 and 10 and Government amendments Nos. 23 to 26 ...

Speaker | 460 c191 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Government new clause 10—Police civilians...

John Hemming | 460 c204 (Link to this contribution) I refer the hon. Gentleman to the current wording of clause 31. Obviously, some cases are covered th...

Keith Vaz | 460 c205-6 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak briefly in support of my amendment No. 2 and of new clause 1, tabled by my hon. Frie...

David TC Davies | 460 c206 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Stafford (Mr. Kidney) on making the case for new clause 1 so well...

Damian Green | 460 c204 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that that solves the good point of the hon. Member for Stafford (Mr. Kidney). It might...

David TC Davies | 460 c207 (Link to this contribution) In a moment—when I have made my point about whether we should be booting out people aged over 18 or ...

John Hemming | 460 c206 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not accept that the Home Secretary’s decisions are subject to judicial revie...

David TC Davies | 460 c206-7 (Link to this contribution) Of course, but the hon. Gentleman will know that it is very difficult to bring a judicial review for...

Speaker | 460 c196-7 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 34, in page 16, line 6 [Cl...

David Kidney | 460 c197-9 (Link to this contribution) New clause 1 is grouped with a large number of amendments, none of which I tabled, so I shall leave ...

Damian Green | 460 c199-201 (Link to this contribution) I shall concentrate mainly on the four amendments tabled in my name, but let me first comment on wha...

David TC Davies | 460 c201 (Link to this contribution) But does my hon. Friend not agree that one down is better than none down at all, and that we are bet...

Damian Green | 460 c201 (Link to this contribution) It is an unarguable fact that treating one offender properly is better than nobody being treated pro...

Neil Gerrard | 460 c201-2 (Link to this contribution) I want to comment briefly on the new clause moved by my hon. Friend the Member for Stafford (Mr. Kid...

Stewart Hosie | 460 c202 (Link to this contribution) The examples given are all very familiar. In some such circumstances, the assailant and the victim a...

John Hemming | 460 c203 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support amendments Nos. 34 and 35, on which we hope to have an opportunity to vote at a la...

Speaker | 460 c211 (Link to this contribution) Order. I wonder whether I could ask the Minister to face the microphone? It is difficult for hon. Me...

Liam Byrne | 460 c211 (Link to this contribution) Thank you for your counsel, Madam Deputy Speaker. We need to make changes in this area, but our acc...

Paul Rowen | 460 c210 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that intervention. In conclusion, I hope that the Minister will ...

Liam Byrne | 460 c210-1 (Link to this contribution) I want to put on the record my gratitude to the House for the range of amendments in this group. The...

Paul Rowen | 460 c210 (Link to this contribution) I can give the hon. Gentleman an example of what the phrase means. Let us say that a child from a wa...

David Heath | 460 c210 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way; he is indeed being very generous. The public in...

Damian Green | 460 c209 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, who is being very generous. He is talking about clarity, so wil...

David Kidney | 460 c211-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for all that he has said, including the offer of a meeting, which I ...

Damian Green | 460 c211 (Link to this contribution) In many cases, deportation happens after an order by a judge. A judge will recommend deportation—tha...

Liam Byrne | 460 c211 (Link to this contribution) Precisely. That is why, under the 2003 Act, it is possible for victim liaison officers to disclose i...

Keith Vaz | 460 c208 (Link to this contribution) When such women come to my surgeries and ask me to write to the Home Office for all the information ...

Paul Rowen | 460 c208 (Link to this contribution) I agree. If new clause 1 and the amendments tabled by the Liberal Democrats were accepted, the victi...

Liam Byrne | 460 c208-9 (Link to this contribution) The automatic deportation provisions are not simply confined to those who have been given a 12-month...

Paul Rowen | 460 c209 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that information. But let us take the example of a child asylum se...

David TC Davies | 460 c207-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. Although his amendment would make deportation poss...

David TC Davies | 460 c209 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is being naïve. He talks about research, but nobody is sentenced to prison for 12...

John Hemming | 460 c209 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Monmouth (David T.C. Davies) fails to understand what the Minister said, which i...

Speaker | 460 c209 (Link to this contribution) Order. If a Member gives way to an intervention, it is usual for him to deal with it before taking a...

Paul Rowen | 460 c209 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that guidance, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The debate clearly illustrates why the clause ...

John Hemming | 460 c215 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister accept that as stealing electricity is an offence under the Theft Act 1968, any pe...

David TC Davies | 460 c215 (Link to this contribution) May I make a helpful suggestion? The Liberal Democrat Members sitting near to me seem to have a fixa...

Liam Byrne | 460 c215 (Link to this contribution) I will come to the arrangements that we will need to make under section 72 of the Nationality, Immig...

David TC Davies | 460 c216 (Link to this contribution) I will do it for free.

Liam Byrne | 460 c215-6 (Link to this contribution) We will find out the answer to that question in the not-too-distant future. I come now to the amend...

Liam Byrne | 460 c216-7 (Link to this contribution) The offer has become better still. Sometimes, legal barriers prevent us from deporting people. The ...

Damian Green | 460 c218 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

David Kidney | 460 c217-8 (Link to this contribution) We have had a good and sometimes lively debate on this group of amendments and on new clause 1. I am...

Liam Byrne | 460 c214-5 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that the hon. Gentleman had the chance to make that point. I missed him at the beginning o...

Philip Davies | 460 c214 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister. I must apologise to you, Madam Deputy Speaker, and to the House; I ha...

John Hemming | 460 c213-4 (Link to this contribution) That is not automatic deportation because clause 32 contains a massive number of exceptions. The Hom...

Liam Byrne | 460 c212-3 (Link to this contribution) We have to try to draw apart two different things. The inquiries that the hon. Gentleman has made ar...

Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 460 c212 (Link to this contribution) May I ask the Minister a straightforward question? Who will hold the data that he mentions? In Commi...

Liam Byrne | 460 c212 (Link to this contribution) The answer must be yes, because under the Criminal Justice Act there is provision to disclose inform...

Liam Byrne | 460 c214 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the hon. Gentleman.

Damian Green | 460 c214 (Link to this contribution) On a procedural point, just in case the reputation of my hon. Friend the Member for Shipley (Philip ...

Liam Byrne | 460 c214 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his good wishes, but under the arrangements in the Bill, the...

Liam Byrne | 460 c228-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to Members for having tabled the new clauses and amendments in this group, so that we ...

Andrew Dismore | 460 c229 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Government for the very positive response that we received to our report last a...

Paul Beresford | 460 c231-2 (Link to this contribution) The Minister will be aware that there is growing concern about the very little children, particularl...

Liam Byrne | 460 c230-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention, and I shall address that precise matter i...

Liam Byrne | 460 c232 (Link to this contribution) I know that the hon. Gentleman has long taken an interest in these matters. We have to try to stop t...

Anthony Steen | 460 c229 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for not being here to speak in support of my amendment, but I was occupied in two other ...

Liam Byrne | 460 c229 (Link to this contribution) I am unable to give my hon. Friend reassurance on the timescale this afternoon. I am more than happy...

Anthony Steen | 460 c230 (Link to this contribution) I was concerned about articles 10 and 13 of the convention, which provide the victim with assistance...

Liam Byrne | 460 c229-30 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to do that, because I see no collision course, and my staff spent some time on the report...

Damian Green | 460 c219-21 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak to three of the four amendments in this group and to support my hon. Friend the Memb...

Anthony Steen | 460 c221 (Link to this contribution) The House is most grateful to my hon. Friend for his interest in the Bill and the amendments that he...

James Clappison | 460 c227 (Link to this contribution) I did not intend to speak in this debate, but I feel prompted to do so by the contributions made so ...

Andrew Dismore | 460 c225-7 (Link to this contribution) I was not planning to speak in the debate, but as the hon. Member for Totnes (Mr. Steen), who tabled...

Paul Rowen | 460 c224-5 (Link to this contribution) I support new clauses 2 and 12 and amendment No. 1, tabled by me and my hon. Friend the Member for B...

Damian Green | 460 c223-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for all those interventions. The hon. Gentleman’s Committee has done much valuable wor...

Andrew Dismore | 460 c223 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman cited the report of the Joint Committee on Human Rights on the treatment of asylu...

Damian Green | 460 c222-3 (Link to this contribution) I am indeed aware of that report and my contention is that the Bill may actually make things worse. ...

Anthony Steen | 460 c222 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that very comprehensive and informative reply, which I am sure the whole ...

Damian Green | 460 c221-2 (Link to this contribution) It is up to the Minister to explain the purpose of the consultation. However, my hon. Friend’s under...

William Cash | 460 c244 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will recall my amendment to the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill, which he and ...

Philip Davies | 460 c244 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my eagle-eyed hon. Friend for noticing that the new clause has a European dimension...

William Cash | 460 c244 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend might be able to help me. His new clause refers to a imposing a"““maximum number of n...

Sally Keeble | 460 c245 (Link to this contribution) On the issue of leave to remain, will the hon. Gentleman confirm whether he is also referring to peo...

Philip Davies | 460 c245 (Link to this contribution) My new clause would impose an overall limit for non-EU countries. There is only a certain number tha...

Greg Knight | 460 c245 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend arguing for an overall annual limit for non-EU nationals, or is he hoping for a sp...

Philip Davies | 460 c245 (Link to this contribution) I am not against free trade. I believe in free trade agreements, but not in lots of regulation. I am...

Stewart Hosie | 460 c245 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman might not be aware that Scotland’s population had been falling seriously over man...

Philip Davies | 460 c244 (Link to this contribution) As my hon. Friend knows, I enthusiastically supported his excellent amendment to the Bill. Had it no...

David TC Davies | 460 c242 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend think it interesting that, from a religious perspective, many Muslim countries a...

Liam Byrne | 460 c242 (Link to this contribution) In all the debates that I have heard on the Floor of the House and in Committee, I have yet to hear ...

Philip Davies | 460 c242 (Link to this contribution) As ever, my hon. Friend makes a valid point. My new clause does not specify—nor would I want it to—t...

Philip Davies | 460 c243 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. In some respects, he makes my point for m...

Liam Byrne | 460 c243 (Link to this contribution) I am still slightly bamboozled about which bit of red tape the hon. Gentleman is referring to. Is it...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 460 c243 (Link to this contribution) Surely the Minister was not suggesting that the hon. Gentleman was attacking immigration officers fo...

Philip Davies | 460 c242-3 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that the Minister’s indignation is unjustified. No one is saying that immigration office...

John Hemming | 460 c243 (Link to this contribution) I am slightly mystified by the hon. Gentleman’s speech. I have found, through speaking to veil-weari...

Philip Davies | 460 c243 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is entirely right. My new clause aims to help immigration officers so that they d...

Damian Green | 460 c235-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that. Ambition for accuracy is a good thing in Ministers. The Minister’s central p...

Liam Byrne | 460 c235 (Link to this contribution) That is merely down to an ambition for accuracy, rather than anything ominous.

Philip Davies | 460 c241 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Speaker | 460 c236-7 (Link to this contribution) I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the Aye Lobby. The House having divided: Aye...

Damian Green | 460 c236 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is exactly right. One of the things that the Government have failed to do is make our...

Anthony Steen | 460 c236 (Link to this contribution) Is not my hon. Friend’s concern—indeed, the Opposition’s concern—about the fact that many thousands ...

Philip Davies | 460 c242 (Link to this contribution) Until the police finally trace those people, track them down, catch them and bring them to justice, ...

Stephen Pound | 460 c242 (Link to this contribution) I am following the hon. Gentleman’s argument with great interest, but I remind the House that he has...

Philip Davies | 460 c241 (Link to this contribution) New clause 5 would require an immigration officer to ensure that any clothing covering the face or p...

Speaker | 460 c241 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: New clause 6—Limit on immigration— ‘(1) T...

Anthony Steen | 460 c232 (Link to this contribution) I might be able to be helpful to the Minister, but I need an explanation. The Minister is familiar w...

Speaker | 460 c232 (Link to this contribution) Order. This is a very lengthy intervention. I think that the Minister can respond.

Paul Rowen | 460 c233-4 (Link to this contribution) While I understand what the Minister is telling us, he also says that it is not the intention to dep...

Liam Byrne | 460 c232-3 (Link to this contribution) I would be more than happy to look at those discrepancies and to spend as much time with the hon. Ge...

Paul Rowen | 460 c234 (Link to this contribution) I am listening carefully to the Minister’s explanation. He cited an example involving the DRC. Given...

Liam Byrne | 460 c234 (Link to this contribution) Because we will often be making arrangements to send those people home. I simply do not understand h...

Damian Green | 460 c235 (Link to this contribution) I start my response to this extremely good debate by apologising to my hon. Friend the Member for To...

Liam Byrne | 460 c234-5 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely right. I am trying to make the point that the section 11 duty is about not simply...

Stewart Hosie | 460 c264-5 (Link to this contribution) I was slightly disappointed that no amendments were tabled to address the issue, which we identified...

James Clappison | 460 c265-6 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Member for Birkenhead (Mr. Field) did not underestimate the amount of public disquiet...

William Cash | 460 c263 (Link to this contribution) The Minister shakes his head, but we will no doubt return to the matter at some future date. The bo...

Tony Wright | 460 c263-4 (Link to this contribution) I will be extremely brief. Many of us have thought for a long time that we should find a way to have...

Neil Gerrard | 460 c262 (Link to this contribution) It is a relatively rare experience for a suggestion that I make on a Home Office Bill to be taken up...

William Cash | 460 c262-3 (Link to this contribution) I shall be brief. I listened to the Minister’s comments with interest. In a nutshell, he said, ““So ...

Liam Byrne | 460 c263 (Link to this contribution) indicated dissent.

William Cash | 460 c258 (Link to this contribution) I am not trying to tempt my hon. Friend into agreeing with me on the Floor of the House—I am not try...

Damian Green | 460 c258-60 (Link to this contribution) It is clear that there are problems with the dispensation for deportation. Given what has happened i...

Lord Field of Birkenhead | 460 c260 (Link to this contribution) Tomorrow we reach the end of the beginning of the long goodbye to a Labour Prime Minister who has be...

Paul Rowen | 460 c260-2 (Link to this contribution) I echo the sentiments of previous speakers. First, I thank the members of staff who worked on the Pu...

Liam Byrne | 460 c249-50 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that I described the issue of EU immigration as a problem, because it has proved to b...

Liam Byrne | 460 c255-7 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time. Before I come to my substantive remarks, I...

Damian Green | 460 c257-8 (Link to this contribution) I start by echoing the thanks that the Minister for Immigration, Citizenship and Nationality express...

Liam Byrne | 460 c249 (Link to this contribution) I sense that the hon. Gentleman wishes to say something.

Damian Green | 460 c249 (Link to this contribution) The suggestion that my right hon. Friend the Member for Haltemprice and Howden (David Davis) talked ...

Liam Byrne | 460 c248-9 (Link to this contribution) The answer is simple: they are escorted into a room and an immigration officer will take any step th...

Liam Byrne | 460 c247 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way to me again as I want to press an important point...

Philip Davies | 460 c247 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is absolutely right, which is one of the reasons why I want Britain to regain control o...

Liam Byrne | 460 c248 (Link to this contribution) This has been an extraordinary debate, and a nice way to complete—I fear—Report. Some of the interv...

Greg Knight | 460 c248 (Link to this contribution) Although it is all very interesting hearing the Minister speculate about what my party’s policy migh...

James Clappison | 460 c247 (Link to this contribution) Does not the Minister’s point cut both ways? Since 1997, there has in fact been a substantial increa...

Philip Davies | 460 c248 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right and I pay tribute to all his work on the issue, highlighting the ...

Philip Davies | 460 c246 (Link to this contribution) I have the advantage of not having to speak from the Front Bench. As I said earlier, I would very mu...

Greg Knight | 460 c246 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend accept that finding the money would not require such drastic action as leaving t...

Philip Davies | 460 c247 (Link to this contribution) As ever, my right hon. Friend is right. According to a survey conducted by the TaxPayers’ Alliance, ...

Stephen Pound | 460 c247 (Link to this contribution) The interest shown in this debate may be a reflection of the seriousness of the subject that the hon...

Philip Davies | 460 c245 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady for that point. I would not wish to deny universities the income that...

Philip Davies | 460 c245-6 (Link to this contribution) I have limited time left and I still wish to refer to two new clauses. I have tried to be as generou...

Liam Byrne | 460 c246 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. He is being extremely generous with his time. A...

John Hemming | 460 c204 (Link to this contribution) I accept that our suggestion only partially addresses that, in that the victim will be involved in t...

David TC Davies | 460 c203-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman must be aware that nobody has been sentenced to more than 12 months in prison for...

John Hemming | 460 c207 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

John Hemming | 460 c207 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not accept that our amendment would enable a persistent pickpocket to be put...

Neil Gerrard | 460 c202-3 (Link to this contribution) That is a common scenario, but I can think of situations in which it would be difficult to give out ...

Speaker | 460 c218-9 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: New clause 12—Children: exemption from re...

Philip Davies | 460 c244 (Link to this contribution) The Minister referred to the word ““may””. My new clause uses the word ““must””. There is a distinct...

Philip Davies | 460 c247 (Link to this contribution) I am, as ever, grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his contribution to the debate. The new clause sta...

Paul Rowen | 460 c208 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the Minister will accept new clause 1 and amendments Nos. 34, 35 and 2. We are having th...

Subjects

Children Disclosure of information Biometrics Asylum Detainees Crimes against the person Deportation Age Community relations Clothing Fingerprints Evidence European Convention on Human Rights Immigration controls Immigration Human trafficking Documents Home Office Immigration officers Offenders Marriage Police Prosecutions Prisoners Nationality Scotland Young people Refugees Victims Right of search Temporary accommodation Border and Immigration Agency

Legislation

UK Borders Bill 2006-07

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