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Debate on bill on Monday, 15 October 2007, in the House of Lords.

Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill

Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Lords Report stage. Part 1 of 2 records.

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Parliamentary proceeding
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695 c529-97 
Session
2006-07
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Department for Communities and Local Government
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Report stage
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New clauses
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Andrews | 695 c586 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord is forgiven on all counts.
Baroness Neuberger | 695 c586 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for what she said. I am delighted that she will take the measure away...
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Earl Howe | 695 c586-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 210ZE: 210ZE: After Clause 232, insert the following new Clause— ““Transitiona...
Baroness Neuberger | 695 c588-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Earl, Lord Howe, has, as ever, said most of what needs to be said. But perhaps I...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c589-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is no doubt that this is a critical amendment on a critical issue. In Committee, I t...
Earl Howe | 695 c590-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister’s reply opens up a ray of hope, and it is very welcome for that reason. I tha...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c591 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I know that we are not supposed to bring visual aids to the Chamber.
Baroness Andrews | 695 c591 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a document on host procurement entitled, Getting ready for LINks and I will make su...
Earl Howe | 695 c591 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Baroness. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendmen...
Earl Howe | 695 c580 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209B: 209B: Clause 229, page 162, line 12, after ““observe”” insert ““and enqu...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c578-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am glad that the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, was able to join us in the Chamber for th...
Baroness Meacher | 695 c579-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for her response. As she knows, I agree with her about the importance...
Earl Howe | 695 c583 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful. It is clear that we shall have to return to this issue at Third Readin...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c583 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 210: 210: Clause 229, page 162, line 15, at end insert— ““(za) providing for a...
Earl Howe | 695 c582-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I welcome very warmly the Minister’s change of heart on the issue of the gatekeeper...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c583 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not have the details of numbers that the noble Earl seeks, but I shall write to him o...
Baroness Neuberger | 695 c583-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 210ZB: 210ZB: After Clause 229, insert the following new Clause— ““Local invol...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c585-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we debated this matter in part in Committee and during the summer we thought about what th...
Lord Low of Dalston | 695 c586 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot add a lot to the very expert deployment of the case by the noble Baroness, Lady N...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 695 c596-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank noble Lords for giving me the opportunity to come back on these points. Perhaps I ...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 695 c597 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 211 to 217: 211: Clause 236, page 168, line 21, leave out ““are, directly or...
Earl Howe | 695 c594-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for this extremely welcome group of amendments and for her detailed c...
Baroness Neuberger | 695 c596 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be brief because the noble Earl, Lord Howe, has said virtually everything on this ...
Baroness Neuberger | 695 c564 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support everything that the noble Lord, Lord Low of Dalston, and the noble Earl, Lord Ho...
Earl Howe | 695 c564 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Low, has admirably summarised the issue in relation to these amendmen...
Lord Low of Dalston | 695 c563-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 206: 206: Clause 226, page 160, line 33, at end insert— ““( ) enabling people ...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c563 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 205: 205: Clause 226, page 160, line 31, leave out ““might”” and insert ““coul...
Earl Howe | 695 c563 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for having taken our concerns from Committee and exami...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 695 c561-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am relieved to hear that this sanction has been used only in a small proportion of cases...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c561 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful that we have that on the record. The current rules relating to the maxi...
Baroness Maddock | 695 c561 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should have declared an interest as a member of a standards board on both Berwick-upon-T...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c560-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this short debate. These are important...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c570-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the debate opened with the noble Earl being very sceptical about the form that the LINk wo...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 695 c570 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thought that other noble Lords were going to speak. If LINks do not have a structure and...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c574 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the analogy I used in Committee was that the host would be the Civil Service. The host wil...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 695 c574 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will there be any independence for LINks or will they be organised and ruled by the hosts?...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 695 c565-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am again speaking on this issue and I hope I can continue the constructive and positive ...
Baroness Deech | 695 c564-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this problem lives in the ““too difficult”” box. No one will apply his mind to take it apa...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c566 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 207: 207: Clause 226, page 160, line 33, at end insert— ““(2A) The matters ref...
Lord Low of Dalston | 695 c566 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her reply. It is clear that things are moving forw...
Earl Howe | 695 c566-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 207A: 207A: Clause 227, page 161, line 13, leave out ““a local authority”” and...
Baroness Meacher | 695 c578 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise that I have arrived rather late. I had to be at a rather important meeting in ...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 695 c578 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I go along with the noble Baroness and the noble Earl. Banning LINks from foundation trust...
Baroness Neuberger | 695 c577-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise with not only some hesitation, as the noble Earl has said, but also a certain amoun...
Earl Howe | 695 c575 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is a helpful offer on the part of the Minister. I am most grateful. I beg leave to wi...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c575 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I certainly do not want to be considered precious. I listened hard to what the noble Earl ...
Earl Howe | 695 c574-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her detailed reply and particularly grateful that ...
Earl Howe | 695 c577 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is with some hesitation that I intervene in this debate, because I have the highest reg...
Baroness Murphy | 695 c575-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209A: 209A: Clause 228, page 161, line 43, at end insert— ““( ) Subsection (1)...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c575 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209: 209: Clause 227, page 161, line 26, at end insert— ““( ) In this section ...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c575 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 208: 208: Clause 227, page 161, line 23, at end insert— ““( ) The arrangements...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c558 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 200 and 201: 200: Clause 188, page 131, line 13, leave out ““49 or 50”” and ...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c558 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 199: 199: Clause 188, page 130, leave out lines 32 to 34 and insert— ““““(4A) ...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 695 c559 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 203: 203: After Clause 202, insert the following new Clause— ““Case tribunals:...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c558-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 202: 202: Clause 196, page 139, line 40, at end insert— ““(5) In section 105(6...
Baroness Maddock | 695 c560 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend, not because I do not think that it is serious if someone is not...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 695 c559-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was interested in how bereft a constituency would be if the member was absent for a long...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c553-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is always daunting when someone says that they do not envy the Minister and that the Mi...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 695 c552-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is probably one of the most difficult aspects of councillorship, and a council’s stew...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c557-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 198: 198: Clause 188, page 130, leave out lines 27 to 29 and insert— ““““(4A) ...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c556-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that the Minister will not be surprised when I say that I am going to have to lo...
Baroness Hamwee | 695 c548 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that. It is new Section 16A(3)(e) in Clause 82. When I referred to it ea...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c547-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will try to clarify the questions, but as this is our first debate on the conduct regime...
Baroness Thomas of Walliswood | 695 c547 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I remind the House that, if Amendment No. 196 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments Nos. ...
Baroness Hamwee | 695 c546-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 196: 196: Clause 188, page 130, line 21, leave out subsections (1) to (3) The...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 695 c552 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome the Government’s amendments, which will bring clarity to private conduct. Noble ...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c550-2 (Link to this contribution) moved, as an amendment to Amendment No. 197, Amendment No. 197A: 197A: Clause 188, line 12, leave ...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c549-50 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 197: 197: Clause 188, page 130, leave out lines 23 to 25 and insert— ““““(2A) ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 695 c546 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that reply. It gives us some indication of the timescale...
Baroness Crawley | 695 c545-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Dixon-Smith. I hope that I will be able to clar...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 695 c543-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 195A: 195A: Clause 134, page 94, line 12, at end insert— ““( ) Section 236 (pr...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c534 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness and other noble Lords have made a powerful case concerning the difficul...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c534 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that. Will she confirm that, if I withdraw the amendment away tod...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I said that I would do that.
Baroness Hanham | 695 c535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that and for the meetings that we had during the Recess with the Ministe...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have to discuss how best we do that, but there will be a vehicle for doing so by order....
Baroness Hanham | 695 c535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am satisfied with that and hope that we might have an opportunity to discuss the matter ...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c535 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 192F: 192F: Clause 127, page 83, line 36, after ““authorities”” insert ““or re...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c535-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have debated the status of RSLs and their relationship with the Bill in different ways,...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c536-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that I have hammered this one as far as I shall be able to hammer it. I believe th...
Baroness Hamwee | 695 c539 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that. I am particularly interested in knowing what ““publish”” means in ...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c539 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, for the record, I shall read the relevant section again. The reference to ““publishing”” i...
Baroness Hamwee | 695 c539 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would not advise anyone to place bets on that. I am left wondering why new Section 21B(3...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c539 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the answer is what I read from my speaking notes—we need the reference to publishing as it...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c540-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we did indeed debate this, and I remember the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, in particular pres...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 695 c543 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for the Minister’s assurances that the intentions are benign and that this d...
Baroness Hamwee | 695 c539-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that. I think that any local authority that does no more than keep copie...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 695 c540 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 195ZE: 195ZE: Clause 129, page 89, line 19, leave out from beginning to ““a”” ...
Baroness Hamwee | 695 c537 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 195: 195: Clause 128, page 85, line 31, leave out from beginning to ““to”” in ...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c537-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will address the point about the relationship between two forms of publication and the L...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 695 c529-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my Amendment No. 192 is grouped with Amendment No. 191. It also deals with the question of...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c530-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we debated Amendment No. 191 in Committee. Subsection (1) requires a local authority to ma...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c529 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the Bill be now further considered on Report. Moved accordingly, and, ...
Baroness Hamwee | 695 c529 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 191: 191: Clause 125, page 82, line 40, after ““representations”” insert ““(wh...
Baroness Hamwee | 695 c532-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend has made her concerns quite clear. Amendment No. 192 was not intended to r...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 695 c532 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. It has helped to clarify my concerns about an inconsi...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c533-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 192ZA: 192ZA: Clause 125, page 83, line 8, at end insert ““and”” The noble Ba...
Baroness Neuberger | 695 c569-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Earl, Lord Howe, has said virtually everything that needs to be said on these su...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 695 c591-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 210A: 210A: Clause 236, page 168, line 6, leave out ““follows”” and insert ““m...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c580-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I appreciate that the noble Earl has tried hard to address the issue which we raised in Co...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c597 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned. In so moving, I sugge...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c562-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 204: 204: Clause 226, page 160, line 24, leave out ““, and review,”” and inser...
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Disciplinary proceedings Disability Disclosure of information Councillors Convictions Byelaws Housing Health services Legislative competence Functions Ethics Local government Misconduct Public participation Local government executive NHS foundation trusts Standards Social rented housing Social services Unitary councils Overview and scrutiny committees Patients' forums Commission for Patient and Public Involvement in Health Local strategic partnerships Local area agreements Local involvement networks
Legislation
Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill 2006-07
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