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Adjournment debate on Thursday, 18 October 2007, in the House of Commons, led by Ed Miliband. The answering member was Lord Maude of Horsham.

Third Sector Review

Debate on a motion for the adjournment on Third sector review. (Relevant documents: Public Administration Select Committee evidence HC 540-i to iv of Session 2006-07)

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464 c980-1056 
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2006-07
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Cabinet Office
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House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Ed Miliband | 464 c987-8 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman hear me out? I defend absolutely Garden Organic’s right to campaign without ...
Ed Miliband | 464 c980 (Link to this contribution) It is a privilege to open the debate on the third sector review concerning the work of the voluntary...
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Ann Coffey | 464 c980 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the announcement of a further £85 million for third sector infrastructure development. Can...
Norman Baker | 464 c983 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has, of course, made the correct choice. On the previous intervention, the Minister's ...
Ed Miliband | 464 c983 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for Birmingham, Erdington (Mr. Simon) was making a point about his specifi...
Ed Miliband | 464 c983 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Lewes (Norman Baker) referred to my introduction, which I fear that I will not g...
Mark Lazarowicz | 464 c983 (Link to this contribution) It is certainly a good thing to be non-partisan, where we can, but it is difficult when we consider ...
Ed Miliband | 464 c983 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has made his point in a characteristically eloquent way, and I am happy to agree with...
Ed Miliband | 464 c983 (Link to this contribution) My goodness, what a set of choices.
Ed Miliband | 464 c984 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has described a serious case. The community groups that he has mentioned should exami...
Hywel Williams | 464 c984 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister accept the entirely non-partisan point that there is a problem with short-term fun...
Ed Miliband | 464 c984 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman, who has made an important point about stability of funding. Althoug...
Andy Reed | 464 c984 (Link to this contribution) Much of the funding for social enterprises and co-operatives goes through bodies such as the regiona...
Jim Cunningham | 464 c981 (Link to this contribution) I do not expect my right hon. Friend to give me an answer immediately, but will he look at the situa...
Ed Miliband | 464 c981 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that. I will ensure that I or the Minister with responsibility for the th...
Mark Pritchard | 464 c980 (Link to this contribution) Notwithstanding the Minister's reply to the hon. Member for Stockport (Ann Coffey), is it not the ca...
Ed Miliband | 464 c980-1 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes an important point about the role of small organisations. I merely caution ...
Ed Miliband | 464 c980 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. I think my hon. Friend is referring to the money for Capacitybuilders. Those who run Cap...
Sion Simon | 464 c983 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister take this opportunity to encourage the Tory-Liberal leadership of Birmingham city ...
Philip Davies | 464 c982 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister agree that one of the problems is that such organisations often secure very short-...
Ed Miliband | 464 c982 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has made two important points. First, he raised the issue of stable funding, whic...
Fiona Mactaggart | 464 c981 (Link to this contribution) On the £80 million fund that my right hon. Friend mentioned, a real concern is the time that it will...
Ed Miliband | 464 c981-2 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend, who is a former Minister with responsibility for the voluntary sector, makes an impo...
Lord Maude of Horsham | 464 c993-7 (Link to this contribution) If I may paraphrase what my right hon. Friend the Member for Witney (Mr. Cameron) said yesterday, if...
Ed Miliband | 464 c989 (Link to this contribution) In two ways: first, by the Charity Commission being absolutely clear about what is and is not allowe...
Lord Maude of Horsham | 464 c989 (Link to this contribution) I am puzzled to know how the Minister's proposals will make any difference to his argument that orga...
Ed Miliband | 464 c990 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Stability of funding is crucial and we want to make progress on ...
Fiona Mactaggart | 464 c990 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that one of the ways in which he can protect the independence of sma...
Ed Miliband | 464 c990 (Link to this contribution) No; these decisions are a matter for the Charity Commission. There are 13 charitable purposes, and t...
Lord Tyrie | 464 c990 (Link to this contribution) The Minister helpfully explained that he is in favour of an extension of taxpayer support—that is, p...
Mark Lazarowicz | 464 c993 (Link to this contribution) Just to be clear, is it the right hon. Gentleman's policy that tax relief should be given at a rate ...
Lord Maude of Horsham | 464 c990-3 (Link to this contribution) It is probably more than six years since I took part in a debate from this Dispatch Box, and the old...
Norman Baker | 464 c997 (Link to this contribution) I am trying to establish in my own mind where the Conservative party is on this issue, and I have a ...
Lord Maude of Horsham | 464 c997 (Link to this contribution) It was, it is and it did. I am not sure what point the hon. Gentleman is making. We are not seeking ...
Lord Maude of Horsham | 464 c997-8 (Link to this contribution) With respect, we can see what the Government are seeking to do, as the Charity Commission revises it...
Ed Miliband | 464 c987 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way in a minute. Such organisations are deterred partly because of the perception of t...
Ed Miliband | 464 c986-7 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend, who makes an important point. There is an all-party commission on volun...
Robert Flello | 464 c986 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that one way of changing the culture, particularly in respect of loc...
Ed Miliband | 464 c985 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has made an important point. My hon. Friend the Member for Corby, who is the Minister...
Ed Miliband | 464 c985 (Link to this contribution) I fear that the treacle of bipartisanship is flowing; I agree with the hon. Gentleman. I am not in f...
Mark Pritchard | 464 c985 (Link to this contribution) The Minister mentioned commissioning. Will he say on the record that in that commissioning of servic...
Ed Miliband | 464 c989 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes the fundamental point. Lots of small organisations with small amounts of fundin...
Anne Snelgrove | 464 c989 (Link to this contribution) There is a clear dividing line between party politics and campaigning on various issues, and we must...
Ed Miliband | 464 c989 (Link to this contribution) No, that is not my view. The key point is that any activity that an organisation undertakes must be ...
Greg Clark | 464 c989 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has not been listening to what I said. I did not suggest that he wanted to allow the se...
Ed Miliband | 464 c988 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is absolutely wrong about that. Let me put it on the record again, because he was...
Ed Miliband | 464 c989 (Link to this contribution) What a range of choice. I give way first to the right hon. Gentleman.
Greg Clark | 464 c1047-9 (Link to this contribution) It is impossible to know what the Minister has agreed to; I would like to hear from him. It is clear...
Greg Clark | 464 c1049 (Link to this contribution) Indeed; we do not want to get into a discussion of that, but the third way has certainly lost its wa...
Phil Hope | 464 c1050-4 (Link to this contribution) We have had an excellent debate. Members in all parts of the House have made it clear that the third...
Norman Baker | 464 c1054 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister turns to campaigning, which I want to hear about, can I point out that a number ...
Greg Clark | 464 c1045-6 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely—multi-partisanship, not bi-partisanship. However, that is not surprising, because the Min...
Greg Clark | 464 c1047 (Link to this contribution) It is made clear in the third sector review that"““the Government can see no objection—legal or othe...
Norman Baker | 464 c1047 (Link to this contribution) I seek clarification of what the hon. Gentleman thinks is going to happen here. What does he believe...
Fiona Mactaggart | 464 c1037-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman mischaracterises the proposals, but I shall allow the Minister to explain the ext...
Andy Reed | 464 c1039-41 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to have the opportunity to speak. I shall add something slightly different from some o...
Fiona Mactaggart | 464 c1036-7 (Link to this contribution) The review makes it clear that many charities are held back from campaigning—indeed, charities often...
Greg Clark | 464 c1037 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady and I agree; it is that very connectedness that allows charities to campaign—for examp...
Barry Sheerman | 464 c1042-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the chance to speak; I do not really deserve to because I have been on Committee d...
Greg Clark | 464 c1045 (Link to this contribution) This has been a good debate. For the most part the honey, or treacle, of bi-partisanship has flowed ...
Fiona Mactaggart | 464 c1036 (Link to this contribution) I declare my interests as a trustee of the Mactaggart cyber café, of Commonweal Housing and of vario...
Greg Clark | 464 c1036 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is labouring under a misapprehension. We have no intention whatsoever of changing the ...
James Duddridge | 464 c1033 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Lady knows, I had the privilege of visiting her constituency this summer, and at an even...
Anne Snelgrove | 464 c1033-6 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to hear that. I have already raised the issue in private. I think that the leader of the c...
Phil Hope | 464 c1056 (Link to this contribution) Those on the Conservative Front Bench are shifting position as they speak. They are embarrassed by t...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 464 c1056 (Link to this contribution) I beg to ask leave to withdraw the motion. Motion, by leave, withdrawn.
Phil Hope | 464 c1055-6 (Link to this contribution) As we speak, we are working hard on the model for distributing community endowment funds, so that we...
Greg Clark | 464 c1056 (Link to this contribution) We all know that charities are temporarily able to have a dominant campaigning purpose, but should i...
Fiona Mactaggart | 464 c1055 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that, but I made one other point on a matter in which he does have some pow...
Phil Hope | 464 c1054-5 (Link to this contribution) I was aware that time was not on my side, but I will address the issue that the hon. Gentleman raise...
Barry Sheerman | 464 c1055 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister moves on, my hon. Friend the Member for Slough (Fiona Mactaggart) asked a couple...
Adrian Bailey | 464 c1018-9 (Link to this contribution) My second point—[Laughter.] My second point is about the social enterprise sector. I mentioned the r...
Robert Flello | 464 c1019 (Link to this contribution) On the question of outputs as against outcomes, does my hon. Friend agree that although it is someti...
Adrian Bailey | 464 c1019-20 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for making that comment. I have in my constituency a charitable trust, the Mu...
Robert Flello | 464 c1023 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a thoughtful speech, although I am sure that the names of some of the o...
Hywel Williams | 464 c1020-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to be able to contribute to this debate—I was very anxious to do so. I must start with...
Mark Lazarowicz | 464 c1023-5 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to have the opportunity to make a few comments in this afternoon's important debate, ...
Hywel Williams | 464 c1023 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a good point. Antur Waunfawr happens to have grown to a sufficient size to ...
Mark Lazarowicz | 464 c1025 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to give way to a fellow Co-operative Member.
James Duddridge | 464 c1027-30 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to speak after such a veritable shopping list has been drawn up for the Minister to...
Anne Snelgrove | 464 c1031-3 (Link to this contribution) I also welcome the report on the role of the third sector in social and economic regeneration. I bel...
Andy Reed | 464 c1025 (Link to this contribution) This is not a Co-operative matter specifically, but about gift aid and sports clubs. As my hon. Frie...
Mark Lazarowicz | 464 c1025-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that point. Perhaps I should declare an interest: I am about to ...
Norman Baker | 464 c1005-6 (Link to this contribution) That sounds like a reasonable way forward. It is perhaps a good practice model that could be rolled ...
Norman Baker | 464 c1006 (Link to this contribution) I will give way in a few seconds. I am sure that the right hon. Gentleman is genuine in his approach...
Norman Baker | 464 c1003-4 (Link to this contribution) I do not disagree with the hon. Lady's direction of travel, or with the fact that we can learn from ...
Robert Flello | 464 c1005 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that this is not only a question of the core administration? Third sec...
Norman Baker | 464 c1005 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman. We also increasingly need to consider the skills involved in filli...
Norman Baker | 464 c1006-8 (Link to this contribution) The Minister will have a further opportunity to deal with that particular point and that quote at th...
Lord Maude of Horsham | 464 c1006 (Link to this contribution) No one is arguing that charities should be unable to undertake any campaigning. The hon. Gentleman s...
Greg Clark | 464 c1008 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady may wish to know that if the withdrawal of tax relief on covenants and the advance cor...
Charlotte Atkins | 464 c1008 (Link to this contribution) The Government's partnership with the third sector is a success story, as we have backed up our poli...
James Duddridge | 464 c1014 (Link to this contribution) Has my hon. Friend noticed that since primary care trusts got even bigger, there has been a move awa...
Charles Walker | 464 c1014 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a valid point, and I am certainly beginning to come across that problem in Hert...
Charlotte Atkins | 464 c1010-2 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely, because it encourages young and old to get involved—people who otherwise would not neces...
Charles Walker | 464 c1013-4 (Link to this contribution) It is a great privilege to speak in this review of the third sector. I promise the House that in my ...
Charlotte Atkins | 464 c1008-10 (Link to this contribution) Even if that were true, it would still leave the figure at £650 million, as opposed to £100 million ...
Barry Sheerman | 464 c1010 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend's experience similar to mine in my constituency, which is that that campaigning ro...
Charles Walker | 464 c1015-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention. I do not mean to suggest that the charities are wasting ...
Charles Walker | 464 c1015 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes some good points, but we have to make sure that we create space for all typ...
Robert Flello | 464 c1000 (Link to this contribution) To pick up on the point that the right hon. Member for Horsham (Mr. Maude) made earlier, does my hon...
Christine Russell | 464 c998-1000 (Link to this contribution) I would like to begin by paying tribute to my right hon. Friend the Minister for the Cabinet Office ...
Anne Snelgrove | 464 c1001 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has been generous in mentioning my campaign on Farepak, which continues to this day. ...
Christine Russell | 464 c1001 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend. I have seen in Chester how the credit union can reach out in...
Madeleine Moon | 464 c1000-1 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that one of the most powerful things about the third sector is its capacit...
Christine Russell | 464 c1000 (Link to this contribution) I agree absolutely. Such groups are the best advocates of what is needed in local communities. Anot...
Norman Baker | 464 c1002-3 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Member for Horsham (Mr. Maude) began by saying that this was his first Front-Bench ou...
Madeleine Moon | 464 c1003 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware of how proactive the Welsh Assembly Government have been in ensuring tha...
Christine Russell | 464 c1001-2 (Link to this contribution) Yes. To continue the point, I want to put in a plea to local authorities regarding small social ente...
Greg Clark | 464 c988 (Link to this contribution) I suggest that the right hon. Gentleman avoids the historic mistake of damaging public confidence in...
Adrian Bailey | 464 c1016-8 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the report. As a Labour and Co-operative Member of Parliament, like the Parliamentary Secr...
Ed Miliband | 464 c985-6 (Link to this contribution) I want to make a bit more progress; perhaps later I shall give way again. By working with the secto...
Phil Hope | 464 c1055 (Link to this contribution) It is kind of hon. Members to pick up on the points made that I have not managed to cover. On the su...
Madeleine Moon | 464 c1005 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that that is where organisations such as the Bridgend Association of V...
Anne Snelgrove | 464 c1015 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a thoughtful speech and has made some good points. I agree with his poi...
Barry Sheerman | 464 c1014-5 (Link to this contribution) Is there not a danger in stipulating who can compete for a particular contract? The third sector is ...
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