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Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Monday, 17 December 2007, in the House of Lords.

Climate Change Bill [HL]

Climate Change Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage second day. Clause 4 under consideration. Part 2 of 3 records.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
697 c513-44 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Teverson | 697 c528 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for that intervention and I agree with much of what he says. I am not fully r...
Lord Oxburgh | 697 c528-9 (Link to this contribution) I endorse much of what my noble friends Lord Turner, Lady Young and Lord Whitty said, as well as som...
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Lord Teverson | 697 c527-8 (Link to this contribution) I did indeed say that it would be in extremis, but the Bill does allow that. It is very unlikely tha...
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c528 (Link to this contribution) I am entirely of the view that we need to have a very strict internal limit. The question is how bes...
Earl Cathcart | 697 c529 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for that intervention. I had thought that the idea was to confine the 2050 ta...
Earl Cathcart | 697 c529 (Link to this contribution) Before we started to debate these amendments, I was going to say that the amendments from the Libera...
Lord Teverson | 697 c529 (Link to this contribution) The Liberal Democrat Benches have been absolutely consistent. We are not in any way saying that ther...
Earl Cathcart | 697 c529-31 (Link to this contribution) Well, my noble friend is certainly more of an expert than I am. The committee’s members are the expe...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 697 c531 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is talking about a mechanism for tapering. Surely the market will determine that.
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c523 (Link to this contribution) If I gave the impression that I did not think it mattered, that was not what I intended to say. Of c...
Lord Puttnam | 697 c523 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord. I did not for one moment think that he did think that, but I felt it necessa...
Lord Turner of Ecchinswell | 697 c524 (Link to this contribution) My comments are in sympathy with those put forward by the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell. This is a ve...
Baroness Northover | 697 c525 (Link to this contribution) I endorse the principle of the amendments and what was said by the noble Lords, Lord Puttnam and Lor...
Lord Whitty | 697 c525-6 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Turner, pre-empted aspects of what I was about to say. The noble Lord, Lord Cri...
Baroness Young of Old Scone | 697 c526 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Turner, admirably expressed what I was going to say, but I want to add one more...
Lord Teverson | 697 c526 (Link to this contribution) I was interested to hear interviews with the Secretary of State in Bali at the weekend because he en...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 697 c527 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord not accept that Parliament would not allow that? With annual reporting to Parlia...
Lord Teverson | 697 c527 (Link to this contribution) Can the noble Lord please repeat that?
Lord Campbell-Savours | 697 c527 (Link to this contribution) What the noble Lord is saying is inconceivable because the annual debate in Parliament, discussions ...
Lord Redesdale | 697 c518 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, companies could deal with their emissions by buying in from other people. There ...
Lord Rooker | 697 c518-9 (Link to this contribution) That is precisely the case and the amendments would not take account of it. I return to the amendme...
Lord Oxburgh | 697 c517 (Link to this contribution) I am not entirely sure what the appropriate mechanism is to do what we are all trying to do, which i...
Lord Rooker | 697 c517-8 (Link to this contribution) I have no complaint about the decoupling. As the noble Lord, Lord Taylor, said, the Conservatives di...
Baroness Byford | 697 c516-7 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment of my noble friend Lord Taylor. I am equally concerned that targets may not ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c517 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Woolmer. Indeed, you could argue that it is i...
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c521-2 (Link to this contribution) In light of the extraordinary complexity of the noble Baroness’s introduction to the amendments, nob...
Lord Puttnam | 697 c522-3 (Link to this contribution) I endorse very much the principle lying behind the noble Baroness’s amendments, particularly Amendme...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c519 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the opportunity to discuss in further detail how we might come to a form of words which wo...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 697 c519-21 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 25: 25: Clause 4, page 3, line 8, at end insert ““, and (c) to ensure that the...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 697 c516 (Link to this contribution) Following on from that, I become quite concerned that we are rather over-optimistic about what this ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c513-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 23: 23: Clause 4, page 3, line 6, after ““budget””),”” insert— ““( ) to set wi...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 697 c514-5 (Link to this contribution) Taking Amendments Nos. 23 and 24 of the noble Lord, Lord Taylor, together gives the impression that ...
Lord Redesdale | 697 c515-6 (Link to this contribution) We have covered this ground before. The rolling targets feed into the very nature of the targets. We...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 697 c516 (Link to this contribution) I spent much of last night reading the report of the Joint Committee and have listened studiously to...
Lord Rooker | 697 c544 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. In doing so perhaps I may suggest that the Committee sta...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 697 c539-40 (Link to this contribution) I want to intervene briefly. As I said before, I was not fortunate enough to be a member of the Join...
Lord Teverson | 697 c540 (Link to this contribution) I put my name to the amendment because I also felt that there needed to be a positive outcome if bud...
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c543-4 (Link to this contribution) I find that a curious and contradictory response. The noble Lord tempts me to go back to the debate ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c543 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend may be underestimating the significance and power of the committee. While it is an a...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 697 c543 (Link to this contribution) I cannot understand why the Government are resisting this. Under the Bill the committee has only an ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c542-3 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend indicated that he wants to see the Bill and the policy driven forward. We accept the...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c541-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. I suffer from the same disadvantage...
Duke of Montrose | 697 c541 (Link to this contribution) I add my support for my noble friend’s amendment. The Minister said that the Government are committe...
Baroness Young of Old Scone | 697 c540-1 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the principle of a compliance mechanism. I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord ...
Earl Cathcart | 697 c531 (Link to this contribution) It may well, but the climate change committee could decide on the mechanism for tapering in carbon t...
Earl of Caithness | 697 c539 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend on this amendment. I was saddened by the Government’s response to the Join...
Lord Rooker | 697 c535 (Link to this contribution) That is a classic case of hard cop/soft cop and I am the victim.
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c536-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 26: 26: Clause 4, page 3, line 8, at end insert— ““( ) In the event of the net...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 697 c536 (Link to this contribution) I am immensely grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken, because they have eloquently expressed a...
Lord Puttnam | 697 c534 (Link to this contribution) On this question of clarity, because I am a rather sad person, I looked up the Oxford English Dictio...
Lord Rooker | 697 c531-4 (Link to this contribution) We have had an interesting debate, although there is something very British about noble Lords queuin...
Lord Crickhowell | 697 c535 (Link to this contribution) I had not intended to intervene again, but I think that the recommendation of the noble Lord, Lord P...
Lord Rooker | 697 c534-5 (Link to this contribution) That is a question to which, in all honesty, I should be able to say yes, but I cannot do that here ...
Baroness Byford | 697 c542 (Link to this contribution) I have followed the debate very carefully and I was not intending to speak. However, unless I misund...
Earl of Caithness | 697 c535-6 (Link to this contribution) I was grateful for what the Minister said. This is a fearfully complicated, but essential, part of t...
Subjects
Climate change Carbon dioxide Environment protection Energy Pollution control Standards Carbon emissions UK emissions trading scheme Climate Change Committee
Legislation
Climate Change Bill (HL) 2007-08
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