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Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Monday, 12 May 2008, in the House of Lords.

European Union (Amendment) Bill

European Union (Amendment) Bill. Lords Committee stage fourth day. Part 2 of 2 records.

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701 c872-914 
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2007-08
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Foreign and Commonwealth Office
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Committee stage
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Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c884 (Link to this contribution) I am very glad that the noble Lord is spellbound, but I very much hope that his Government will, on ...
Lord Bach | 701 c884-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for moving his amendment and speaking to the other two. Amendments ...
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Lord Bach | 701 c886 (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord will be patient, I assure him that I shall come to that. I remind the Committee t...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c886 (Link to this contribution) Some of us have been hearing this for many years—in my case, since the Maastricht debates of 1992. W...
Lord Bach | 701 c886 (Link to this contribution) I do not necessarily refer to Ministers in the Council of Ministers when I quote our European Union ...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c886 (Link to this contribution) I should really like to know what interests in Brussels prevent reform of the common fisheries and c...
Lord Bach | 701 c887 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, but I think I understood what the Committee meant. There are, howev...
Lord Teverson | 701 c886-7 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may help. One major thing that stands in the way of reform is the fact that, as the noble ...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 701 c887 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting the Minister, but what is the answer to the noble Lord’s question?
Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 701 c882 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. I have slightly lost my place in the Order Paper; I ...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c882 (Link to this contribution) The one good thing about the Lisbon treaty is that it gives us an opportunity to talk about importan...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 701 c880-1 (Link to this contribution) I, too, would not wish to see the words ““European Parliament and”” excluded from the Bill as propos...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c881-2 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Teverson, challenged the Conservative Party—and others, presumably—to say wheth...
Lord Tomlinson | 701 c879-80 (Link to this contribution) No. I listened with great patience to the noble Lord and I shall not give way at the moment. I have ...
Lord Tomlinson | 701 c884 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is holding us spellbound.
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c883-4 (Link to this contribution) Well, we have just had the coldest winter in the northern hemisphere since records began. We are tol...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c882-3 (Link to this contribution) I also support these amendments, because it does not seem possible that the European Parliament will...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 701 c872-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 40: 40: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article 2...
Lord Tomlinson | 701 c879 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, to whom I am grateful for his genero...
Lord Teverson | 701 c877-8 (Link to this contribution) I warmly welcome the thanks of the noble Lord, Lord Willoughby de Broke, to Chris Davies, who is ind...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c875-7 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment so ably moved by the noble Lord, Lord Taylor. He is suffering from a slight ...
Lord Teverson | 701 c878-9 (Link to this contribution) I agree absolutely with the noble Lord about that: taxpayers’ money is exactly that. It is taxpayers...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c878 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord may have made a small mistake; he may have confused me with a Member on the Conservat...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c903-5 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Lord. Given that the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, has grouped togethe...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c903 (Link to this contribution) I will try to stick to my part of the deal, which was that we should finish by 11 o’clock.
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c903 (Link to this contribution) I thought that the noble Lord, Lord Pearson of Rannoch, might want to say something about Amendment ...
Lord Goodhart | 701 c900-2 (Link to this contribution) We are looking at new provisions in the Lisbon treaty that will augment co-operation in civil and cr...
Lord Blackwell | 701 c899-900 (Link to this contribution) I have no doubt that the measures that my noble friend has just explained are some of the most far-r...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c895-9 (Link to this contribution) It has just been drawn to my attention by noble friends on the Front Bench that Amendment No. 55 has...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c895 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I just point out that we removed Amendment No. 33 completely from the Marshalled Lis...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c895 (Link to this contribution) Having just made some observations about the relative clarity of the Maastricht treaty, I had assume...
Lord Tomlinson | 701 c895 (Link to this contribution) I warn my noble friend on the Front Bench that, if she goes out of her way to placate the noble Lord...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c894-5 (Link to this contribution) Let me be very clear: the Government do not control the business in that sense. The noble Lord is co...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c909 (Link to this contribution) I understand the noble Lord’s concern about budgetary issues, which we have already discussed twice ...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c908 (Link to this contribution) If we read the exhaustive list being put forward, my perspective is that it is very important, as a ...
Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 701 c907-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness; she saw me looking puzzled. Reverting to my question, given tha...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c908 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister answers that question, can she enlighten us on how those new powers over justice...
Baroness Ludford | 701 c908 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Baroness agree that it is astonishing that when the experts are warning us that we ar...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c906 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness has answered the question. I hope that the noble Lord, Lord Lamont, will accept t...
Baroness Ludford | 701 c905-6 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness responds, perhaps I may venture to answer that. I do not know whether the ...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c907 (Link to this contribution) Well, one argument used against the intergovernmental process is the length of time that it can take...
Lord Blackwell | 701 c906-7 (Link to this contribution) Most of us would accept that states should co-operate to assist each other in many areas, for exampl...
Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 701 c905 (Link to this contribution) The Minister talked about mutual recognition of judicial systems but Article 83 goes much further th...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c893 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt but, according to my list of groupings, we have missed out the whole group o...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c893 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 53: 53: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article 2...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 701 c892-3 (Link to this contribution) That describes to my mind a spectator at a football match commenting on the skill of the referee in ...
Baroness Byford | 701 c891 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that I am boring those on the Liberal Benches. I can only apologise, but these are import...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 701 c892 (Link to this contribution) This has been a very useful area of debate on the Bill. It has certainly been wide-ranging. The nobl...
Lord Bach | 701 c891-2 (Link to this contribution) Briefly, there may be advantages to us in what we as a country want from the CAP in the future as a ...
Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 701 c891 (Link to this contribution) I have a question for the Minister that is not so much about agriculture as about his constitutional...
Lord Bach | 701 c891 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to debate again with the noble Baroness, who has great expertise in and knowledge o...
Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 701 c894 (Link to this contribution) I did not know the Liberals were part of the Government.
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c894 (Link to this contribution) I should point out to the Liberal Front Bench that the Government are in charge of the business.
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c894 (Link to this contribution) I did not suggest that they were part of the Government. I merely said that the main parts of the Co...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c893 (Link to this contribution) It is not a question of agreeing; it is for the mover to decide whether amendments should be moved. ...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c893 (Link to this contribution) It is not a question of waking up. I have woken up and I have drawn the matter to the attention of t...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c894 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord should not look at me. What happened—as I shall explain to the noble Lord if he sits ...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c894 (Link to this contribution) The Government have no amendments. I did not know that the Government were irrelevant to these Commi...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c894 (Link to this contribution) This particular frog leapt with such speed that I was caught on the wrong leg and was not able to mo...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c887 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that is an inadequate answer.
Lord Bach | 701 c887 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord let me continue? There is much business to be got through tonight. On the agricu...
Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 701 c887 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting the Minister, but could he explain something for those of us having dif...
Lord Bach | 701 c887 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, among the interests that are being referred to are some agricultural ones around the member...
Baroness Byford | 701 c890-1 (Link to this contribution) This is very relevant. My next question relates to the draft Marine Bill which will soon be before ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 701 c889 (Link to this contribution) Does that mean that we will have a debate on the draft report in this House, or are we to wait until...
Lord Bach | 701 c889-90 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord knows what I am going to say; he is experienced enough to know that will be a matter ...
Baroness Byford | 701 c890 (Link to this contribution) I would welcome the Minister’s response on this section in the Bill. As a former Defra Minister, he ...
Lord Goodhart | 701 c914 (Link to this contribution) I do; I said that I had reservations about the European Public Prosecutor’s Office. But I welcome bo...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c913 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may repeat my question: what criminal justice system can be imposed on any country, and by...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c914 (Link to this contribution) That is most interesting to hear from the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart. My understanding is that it is ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 701 c914 (Link to this contribution) Before moving to resume the House, may I respectfully point out that we have two more days in Commit...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c914 (Link to this contribution) It is common knowledge that we have hesitations about both organisations. If they were established b...
Lord Goodhart | 701 c914 (Link to this contribution) There is clearly written into the Extradition Act, which gives effect to the European arrest warrant...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c909 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord may be guilty of many things, but I do not think he need fear—not least because xenop...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c909 (Link to this contribution) I accept what the Minister is saying, providing that we can come back to the point and reach a satis...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c913 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord answers that question, perhaps I may ask him about the criminal justice system...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c913 (Link to this contribution) I am not suggesting that it is going to be imposed on this country, because we have the benefit of t...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c913 (Link to this contribution) Then why are we objecting? What is the noble Lord’s objection if it cannot be imposed in this countr...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c913 (Link to this contribution) I find that an uncharacteristically astonishing observation from the noble Lord, Lord Thomas. I have...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c909 (Link to this contribution) Xenophobia is on the list of arrest warrant crimes, and it is not a crime in the United Kingdom.
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c909-11 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has an amendment much later on in our deliberations and I do not want to pre-empt wha...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c912-3 (Link to this contribution) I have been following the noble Lord’s argument with interest, but where does he draw the line? Are ...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c913 (Link to this contribution) The mechanisms are set out in Article 83. They are there for the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, to read in...
Lord Bach | 701 c887-9 (Link to this contribution) We will have to wait and see how different it is, but the straws in the wind show, we suggest, a muc...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c911-2 (Link to this contribution) I should like to thank my noble friend Lord Blackwell, the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart, and, of course...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c886 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord touched on my question there. Which countries are blocking this reform?
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c893-4 (Link to this contribution) It is possible for other noble Lords to move amendments but I do not intend to do so on this occasio...
Lord Bach | 701 c892 (Link to this contribution) Their scrutiny role, as far as the whole EU is concerned, is well known. Both Houses have an importa...
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Criminal proceedings Accountability Criminal investigation Administration of justice Asylum Common fisheries policy Civil proceedings Immigration EU law European Union European Parliament International cooperation Legal opinion EU budget Family law Police Organised crime Prosecutions Terrorism Treaty on European Union Common agricultural policy European Court of Justice Legal systems Qualified majority voting Treaty of Lisbon Eurojust Interpreters Small claims
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European Union (Amendment) Bill 2007-08
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